RE: [h-cost] Good News
May I recommend Elizabethan with pearl work? or this in Italian http://www.fabric.com/cotton-velvet-fabric-coral-stria.aspx -Original Message- I have to brag! It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. There is the Celery and Violet Bengaline that would make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in Ribbons ala Bjarne. And let's not even look at the wools, I need a new 1840's great coat in a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for some thing Teddy might wear. AND AND AND HELP The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post)
Hello everyone, many of you may remember the original Am I Period or Not website run by Kirrily Roberts, well now myself and a team of assistants are reviving the idea at http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ If you aren't familiar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. This new Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday. Right now the website is in it's infancy there are 5 16th century outfits but we're happy to expand (right now there are a lot of empty albums). So if you're interested in seeing other people's work or you want to see your own work critiqued (though be warned, not everyone on the internet is polite so if you're sensitive about your work you might want to re-think sending it in) come along and have a look. Fell free to pass this message on, but be warned geocities doesn't deal well with floods of people viewing the site all at once, and you may get an error message if a lot of people all turn up at once. enjoy, I wish you luck with your new venture. However, the original website took a picture from my personal website without my permission - a fantasy costume and so specified - and made a critique as if it was an historical one. I do hope that this will not happen on your new version. Suzi mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Good News
Oh My! I've been looking through the Drachenwald photos lately since we now have a drachenwaldreminiscencers yahoo group (wanna join?) I think I have the posed pic of the Baby Blue Cavalier. Still, My vote goes for the red silk Byzantine! Regina > It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still > in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a > dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" > (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in > real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop > dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother > keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers
Are there any on-line sites about medieval garb for nursing mothers? Thank you. Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Bright Hills, Atlantia "But if by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Good News
I have to brag! It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. There is the Celery and Violet Bengaline that would make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in Ribbons ala Bjarne. And let's not even look at the wools, I need a new 1840's great coat in a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for some thing Teddy might wear. AND AND AND HELP The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Table of Contents--NESAT 8 (Was: Re: [h-cost] Nesat 7 & 8)
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 11:10 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
> > > NESAT 7 was delivered today (in Arkansas) from David Brown. >
>
> and Cathy Raymond wrote
> I got mine this past Tuesday (Pennsylvania) and my copy of NESAT 8. >>
>
> Is there any chance we could talk you into posting the table of contents of
> each of these here?
Here comes NESAT 8.
NESAT 8--TABLE OF CONTENTS
Priceless Invention of Humanity--Textiles. NESAT VIII, edited by Jerzy Maik,
Acta Archaeologica Lodziensia Nr 50/1 (2004). ISSN: 0065-0986
1. Carol A. Christiansen, "A Reanalysis of Fleece Evolution Studies."
2. Fabienne Medard, Christophe Moulherat, Sophie Mery, "Discovery of Charred
Yarn in a Bronze Age Burial at Hili (Abu Dhabi Region, United Arab
Emirates)."
3. Carmen Alfaro Giner, "Late Roman Textiles in the North of Spain ("Las
Ermitas," Vitoria).
4. Ida Demant, "Textiles and Dress-Fasteners from Lerdal Grave 101."
5. Heidemarie Farke, "Textiles Spuren in einem kaiserzeitlichen Grab aus
Horddeutschland."
6. Katarzyna Barska, "The Roman Period Warp-Weighted Loom from Ozarow
Mazowiecki, Poland."
7. Chris Verhecken-Lammens, March Rogge, Antoine De Moor, "Textiles found in
a Merovingian Woman's Grave at Beerlegem, Belgium."
8. Marianne Vedeler, "Pleated Fragments fo Clothing from Norway."
9. Ulla Mannering, "Dress in Scandinavian Iconography of the 5-10th Centuries
A.D."
10. Antoinette Rast-Eicher, "Early Medieval Costume in Switzerland."
11. Anne Hedeager Krag, "New Light on a Viking Garment from Ladby, Denmark."
12. Milena Bravermanova, "The Oldest Textile Items from the Reliquary Tomb of
St. Ludmila."
13. Elizabeth Wincott Heckett, "A Tenth Century Cloth from Bogstown Co.
Meath."
14. Malgorzata Grupa, "Textiles from the Early Medieval Cemetery at Kaldus,
Pomerania, Poland."
15. Eva I. Andersson, "Written Traces--Wills in 13th to 15th Century
Scandanavia."
16. Susan Moller-Wiering, " Schiffbau und Textil: Ansatze zu einer
systematischen Untersuchung von Kalfat."
17. Lise Raeder Knudsen, "Written Patterns in Early Tablet Weaving."
18. Katarzyna Urbaniak-Walczak, "Ein koptisches Textilfragment in
Leinwand-Schuss-Kompositbindung aus der Sammlung des Nationalmuseums in
Warschau."
19. Marek Trojanowicz, Isabella Surowiec, Jowita Orska-Gawrys, Bogan Szostek,
Katarzyna Urbaniak-Walczak, Magadalena Biesaga, "Chromatographic Examination
of Dyes Extracted from Coptic Textiles from the Collections of the National
Museum in Warsaw."
20. Klaus Tidow, "Neue Funde von Webstuhlteilen und Geweben aus Ausgrabungen
in Braunschweig (Niedersachsen) und Wiesloch (Baden-Wurttemberg)."
21. Fabian Peise, "Eine Lubecker Kase im Danziger Paramentenschatz."
22. Hanna Zimmerman, "Sixteenth-Century Hose and their Manufacture.'
23. Anna Drazkowska, "17th and 18th Century Clothing from Children's Graves
Discovered in the Church at Kostryn on the Oder, Poland."
24. Gudren Bottcher, "Versuche und Erge Bnisse bei der Rekonstruktion von
Nadelbindungstextilien."
25. Britt Nowak, "Zur Bearbeitung and Konservierung von Goldfaden aus dem
fruhmittelalterlichen Mannergrab 21 in Lauchheim/Mittelhofen
(Ostalbkreis/Baden-Wurttemberg)."
26. Elizabeth E. Peacock, "Moseforsog--Two Generations of Bog Burial Studies.
Interim Textile Results."
27. Eva Andersson, "The Reconstruction ;of Archaeological Textiles, A Source
Critical Approach."
END OF VOLUME.
--
Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going
to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley
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Table of Contents--NESAT 7 (was Re: [h-cost] Nesat 7 & 8)
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 11:10 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > NESAT 7 was delivered today (in Arkansas) from David Brown. > > > and Cathy Raymond wrote > I got mine this past Tuesday (Pennsylvania) and my copy of NESAT 8. >> > > Is there any chance we could talk you into posting the table of contents of > each of these here? Sure. I'm a sucker for requests for help. I have the Table of Contents for 8 in a jpeg that includes the order form, but this list doesn't permit attachments and I don't (yet) have a website to post the jpeg on, so I will have to input both by hand. There is a website that lists the contents of NESAT 7 (and someone in fact posted it to this list), but I didn't save it and can't find it again despite many Googling efforts. Some of the articles in both NESATs are in German, and some of the authors are French or of other nationalities whose names require certain diacritical marks. I don't read German, and since I'm not doing this email in HTML markup, any diacritical marks will be missing. Please take that into account when reading this. Finally, I'm going to put each table of contents in a separate email so that neither post is excessively long. Here goes. __ NESAT 7--TABLE OF CONTENTS: Northern Archaeological Textiles--NESAT VII edited by Frances Pritchard and John Peter Wild. Oxbow Books, 2005. ISBN: 1 84217 162 3 1. Carmen Alfaro Giner, "Gold Textiles from a Roman Burial at Munigua, (Malva, Seville)." 2. Isabelle Bedat, Sophie Desrosiers, Christophe Moulherat, Caroline Relier, "Two Gallo-Roman Graves Recently Found in Naintre (Vienne, France)." 3. Frauke Kadereit, "Das Madchengrab der Fallward: Vorlaufiger Bericht." 4. Antoinette Rast-Eicher, "Fruhmittelalterliche Textileien aus der Nordostschweiz." 5. Lisa Vanhaeke, Chris Verhecken-Lammens, "Textile Pseudomorphs from a Merovingian Burial Ground at Harmignies, Belgium." 6. Anne Hedeager Krag, "Denmark--Europe: Dress and Fashion in Denmark's Viking Age." 7. Lise Raeder Knudsen, "Brocaded Tablet-Woven Bands: Same Appearance, Different Weaving Technique, Horning, Hvilehoj and Mammen." 8. Eva Andersson, "Textile PRoduction at Birka: Household Needs or Ogranized Workshops?" 9. Philippa A. Henry, "Who Produced the Textiles? Changing Gender Roles in Late Saxon Textile Production: The Archaeological and Documentary Evidence." 10. Eva-Maria Pfarr, "Handwerk oder Industrie? Erfahrungen bei der Herstellung eines hochmittelalterlichen Wollgewebes auf dem Gewichtswebstuhl." 11. Lise Bender Jorgensen, "Textiles of Seafaring: an INtroduction to an Interdisciplinary Research Project." 12. Bill Cooke, Carol Christiansen, "What Makes a Viking Sail?" 13. Susan Moller-Wiering, "Textiles for Transport." 14. Else Ostergard, "The Greenlandic Vadmal." 15. Jerzy Maik, "Stand und Notwendigkeit der Forschungen uber die mittelalterliche Wollweberei auf dem sudlichen Ostseegebiet." 16. Milena Bravermanova, "The Collection of Archaeological Textiles at Prague Castle." 17. Klaus Tidow, "Textilfunde aus dem dreizehnten bis siebzehnten Jahrhundert: Neue Fund--Neue Erkenntnisse." 18. Hanna Zimmerman, "Sixtennth-Century Textiels from Two Sites in Groningen, The Netherlands." 19. Elizabeth Wincott Heckett, " 'The Apparel oft Proclaims the Man'--Late Sixteenth-and Early Seventeenth-Century Textiles from Bridge Street Upper; Dublin." 20. Malgorzata Grupa, "Women's Roves Excavated from the Burial Crypt in the Holy Virgin Mary's Chruch,l Torun, Poland." 21. Anna Drazkowska, "The Influence of Western European Fashion on the Clothing of Torun's Townsfolk." 22. Michael L. Ryder, "The Human Development of Different Fleece-Types in Sheep and Its Association with the Development of Textile Crafts." 23. Karen-Hanne Staermose Nielsen, "A Preliminary Classification of Shapes of Loomweights." 24. Gertrud Grenaander Nyberg, "Remarks Concerning Some Details of Early Spinning Wheels." END OF VOLUME -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post)
Thanks for the compliments :) There is a section for post 16th century, and one of "not-so-period" but most of our membership is focussed on pre-16th century clothing. So it doesn't get much traffic. That can of course change. we are always welcome to new members, it's a samll but active community. Cheers, Karinne 16thC Moderator for MedCos site On 7/27/05, Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you're looking for a fairly serious feedback site, try here: > > http://slumberland.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=5 > > Looks like it's only medieval and renaissance, but the folks there seem > to be pretty mature about the comments thing, and since the site > requires registration there's little or no abuse. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post)
Cynthia Virtue wrote: Is it going to be a serious website, or a joke website, with lots of joke submissions, like the former version? If you're looking for a fairly serious feedback site, try here: http://slumberland.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=5 Looks like it's only medieval and renaissance, but the folks there seem to be pretty mature about the comments thing, and since the site requires registration there's little or no abuse. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post)
- Original Message - From: "Cynthia Virtue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > If you aren't familiar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send > > in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded > > onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they > > are and leave comments. > > Is it going to be a serious website, or a joke website, with lots of > joke submissions, like the former version? > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Well I've created a category for fantasy creations with a tenuous link to history and I'm going to cut out much of the fetish wear (as the terms of use for the site that's hosting the photos says anything they define as pornography will get the account cancelled and all the photos deleted so I'm going to err on the side of caution). I haven't decided yet what to do if I think somebody has requested the wrong category, hopefully this will be predominantly serious attempts and the jokes will be confined to the 'other' category Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post)
Elizabeth Walpole wrote: If you aren't familiar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. Is it going to be a serious website, or a joke website, with lots of joke submissions, like the former version? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen" -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay
In my experience there is no more risk buying from an eBay seller "outside the auction" than inside it. eBay in reality does little or nothing to protect the buyer's interests. Oh, they give you a "dispute form" so you and the seller can communicate (which you could do anyway). And--if you're willing to pay $25 for the privilege--after going through this "dispute process" eBay will try and get the seller to cough up. How hard eBay tries, and how well they succeed, I don't know. In any case I think you get only three of the "dispute resolutions"--not the form, but the process where eBay tries to claim from the seller--in a lifetime. Meaning, you probably don't want to bother unless a lot of money is involved. So all you get, if you buy at auction rather than from an eBay seller "outside" one, is the dispute form and the privilege of paying $25--three times only--to let eBay try and collect for you. What you really want is seller reliability. That is good inside and outside the auction. A few negative feedbacks over a selling lifetime probably don't matter. Some people are really irrational and will slap hysterical revenge feedback if the buyer complained even mildly about them. I've had a seller give me revenge feedback in return for a positive feedback they thought wasn't glowing enough, and use obscenities in it too. You don't have to pay attention to this kind of stuff. But anyone, even a "Power Seller," with thousands of feedbacks, who's getting several negatives a month, is worth worrying about. Especially if these are all of the same type, and show a pattern of merchandise never arriving, or bad quality, or some such thing. Or they're all about the type of thing you're buying--all the negatives are about the embroidery thread this seller sells, even though buyers all love the fabric or whatever else they sell. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com As i want to buy quite a large amount of this thread in many colours, i have asked the dealer if i can buy outside ebay, to save the money this way. He only can receive a money order or check. Would you consider this to be much two risky to buy outside ebay, or would you recomend me to use ebay? It would be very slow if i should bit on all those bundles i want. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Holiday in Rome & Venice
Julian wrote: > > My wife and I are going to Italy in 3 weeks time, spending a week > in Rome for her to visit as many historic Catholic Sites as she can > cram into the week; - and then on to Venice for me. I've never been lucky enough to travel to Italy, but my general suggestion for anyone traveling is to check out the BBS on www.lonelyplanet.com (if I remember correctly, it is called the Thorn Tree), they generally have good suggestions about food, accomodations ect. have fun, Katie -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay
Kimiko wrote: I also wonder why he states on the auctions that he *does* accept credit cards through PayPal, but doesn't do so when bought outside of eBay? As someone who makes a big percentage of his income from selling on eBay and who has had a bank merchant sales account for 25 years, I feel qualified to answer this question. Many eBay merchants have a PayPal account and can accept all the forms of payment through PayPal that PayPal accepts (in fact, they soon will be *required* to do so by eBay), since the customer is actually paying PayPal and then PayPal is transferring the money to your account. In order to accept credit cards directly from a customer, you have to have a merchant sales account through your own bank (and jump through all the hoops necessary to have that account and to process payments). For many merchants, it's not worth the trouble or expense, especially since PayPal has made it so easy. In service, Geffrei de Warenne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay
At 12:00 PM 7/26/2005, you wrote: Hi, I have found a dealer of Suzhou Embroidery Silk Thread on ebay. He has listed his threads in bundles after colours, each bundle has 6 skeins of the same colour in darker to lighter shades. More than 400 colours in all. As i want to buy quite a large amount of this thread in many colours, i have asked the dealer if i can buy outside ebay, to save the money this way. He only can receive a money order or check. Would you consider this to be much two risky to buy outside ebay, or would you recomend me to use ebay? It would be very slow if i should bit on all those bundles i want. Bjarne Hi Bjarne, Is the seller chinaembroider? If so, I wonder why such a low feedback score of 2, when they have been on eBay since Sept of last year, and only one is from a buyer of their threads? I also wonder why he states on the auctions that he *does* accept credit cards through PayPal, but doesn't do so when bought outside of eBay? There are two too many questions for me to feel comfortable on this, although it could be legit. You could try a bundle or two in eBay, to see if it is worth your time and money. Considering the low starting bid I see, it may be worth a chance, and if you use Paypal, you would have some record of the payment in case there is a problem. Then if things are fine, you would feel better about ordering more from this seller. That's what I did for some silk I ordered from a seller in India. I am happy with them, and will be ordering more. My thoughts fwiw. Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post)
Hello everyone, many of you may remember the original Am I Period or Not website run by Kirrily Roberts, well now myself and a team of assistants are reviving the idea at http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ If you aren't familiar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. This new Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday. Right now the website is in it's infancy there are 5 16th century outfits but we're happy to expand (right now there are a lot of empty albums). So if you're interested in seeing other people's work or you want to see your own work critiqued (though be warned, not everyone on the internet is polite so if you're sensitive about your work you might want to re-think sending it in) come along and have a look. Fell free to pass this message on, but be warned geocities doesn't deal well with floods of people viewing the site all at once, and you may get an error message if a lot of people all turn up at once. enjoy, Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] French hood (was Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy)
At 05:40 AM 7/26/2005, you wrote: No prob. Love to share a good source. Love to be the first to find same! I'm fairly new to Elizahoovian, tho not to sewing and not to milinery. My first french hood, which couldnt take the weight of Swarovski pearls, looks good anyway, if a bit plain. I've started the "dog house" gabled hood a la Catherine of Aragon. What a monster. It could support a gold brick. Maybe two. Having erred in either direction, I'm hoping that next time, I can get something in the middle ground. Wouldja couldja post an F-hood photo or 6? Since I've not yet seen you IRL, I'd love to get an idea of your work. Thanks. Ciao! Gotta catch a flight to NYC & the Met. --cin Hiya Cynthia, I am slowly working my way through my second French hood (1545 time frame). My first was made years ago and badly at that, so I figured while I had some time not devoted to a gown or man's outfit, I would work on accessories for me. I am pregnant with my third child so I really can't do a fitted gown right now, and have no reason to make my kirtle until this winter for next spring's events. So, on this new hood after some research, I've wired the buckram, mulled the two pieces (base and coronet), hand sewn the fabric on base, and just started pinning the lining on that as well. I have a dress diary that has some photos and lots of musing of what I am doing, including the theory I mentioned. http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/1545FrenchHood/ I also hope to get a gabled hood as well after this f-hood is finished, and a tall hat for my Elizabethan dress. I usually rush through the accessories that having time to research and construct well is a nice change, even if I don't get to wear it until next spring or fall. The only other millinery project was my husband's Italian bonnet and an old Elizabethan pill box hat that I have no pictures of, yet. I learned a lot from the Italian bonnet (like how much I hate curved needles). Well before I ramble on too much, enjoy your trip to the Met! Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re:reproduction shoes?
From: Althea Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can you give a quick and dirty comparison of modern and historical lasts? I assume it has to do with the left/rightness of the lasts. Not necessarily -- the right/left/straight thing is a commonly held myth, when in fact the truth could differe fro time to time, and even with social class. In general: In the Middle Ages shoes were generally made right and left on separate lasts (although it seems that straights were a possiblity in certain circumstances, and definately an option for peasant shoes). In the immeadiate post medieval period, when non-turned shoes became the norm, lasts remained right and left. After 1600, probably due to the introduction of separate raised heels, straights gradually became the norm, so that by the 1700s people had generally forgotten they had been any other way. In the late 1700s, "crooked" lasts were rediscovered and gradually the new technology developed out of that, so that by the mid-1800s the norm was once again right and left. --- In general the difference in last shape produced a different shaped shoe. My best examples are some links to pictures. Compare the shape of the shoe in the following pictures: Not made on a last: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/photos/russboot2.jpg Made on a 1950s "flat" shoe last. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/photos/monday4.jpg Made on a repro 1400 era last: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/photos/boot.JPG The last for the preceeding looks like: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/15th+century+German+style.jpg This is a 1300s era repro last. So, some lasts look like lumps of wood, while others are far more developed. And even by the early 1200s, some of the extant shoes hint at that raised toe spring and upswept waist. For a comparison - this is a last from the 1970s: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/1970s+last.jpg Looking at them from the front and top, there are similar detail differences in last shapes. Does this help? Marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Byzantium women's clothing
Her main interest is in Malta of that period but the Byzantium influence there was very strong. Lynda --- Glenn McDavid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Lynda Boots wrote: > > > I'm helping a friend research women's apparel in > 14th > > C. Byzantium. Anything not ecclesiastical or for > a > > coronation would be appreciated. > > May I ask why? IIRC, that is a _very_ depressing > part of > Byzantine history. > > Glenn McDavid > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay
Postal money orders at least can be researched as cashed/not cashed, provided you save the money order number. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com And I would pay by check, because your bank can tell you if it was cashed and will have the record, which you do not get so easily with a money order. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: He only can receive a money order or check. Would you consider this to be much two risky to buy outside ebay, or would you recomend me to use ebay? It would be very slow if i should bit on all those bundles i want. I would take a very good look at the sellers feedback and see if he has a good record of transactions with others over the last six months or year. If there are any negative comments, what are they for? Is it for bad service, or because the buyer changed his mind? And I would pay by check, because your bank can tell you if it was cashed and will have the record, which you do not get so easily with a money order. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] off topic about ebay
Hi, I have found a dealer of Suzhou Embroidery Silk Thread on ebay. He has listed his threads in bundles after colours, each bundle has 6 skeins of the same colour in darker to lighter shades. More than 400 colours in all. As i want to buy quite a large amount of this thread in many colours, i have asked the dealer if i can buy outside ebay, to save the money this way. He only can receive a money order or check. Would you consider this to be much two risky to buy outside ebay, or would you recomend me to use ebay? It would be very slow if i should bit on all those bundles i want. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
ASCII t-tunic pattern (was Re: [h-cost] Fitting t-tunics
No matter how I try to 'tweak' the tunic I end up with something that
looks like a potato sack - or worse.
I would love to end up with a tunic that: sits properly on my
shoulders/neckline, allows me to do work without the sleeves getting in
the way, long 'bell' sleeves, enough width in the 'skirt' area for me to
walk normally, slightly fitted in the torso area.
I can get a t-tunic dress that fits me out of 4 yards of 45" wide
material. I use underarm gussets and side gussets. My basic pattern is,
as near as I can do in ASCII (using a fixed-width font), as follows, except
that it will take extra fabric to make the long bell sleeves:
basic t-tunic, front view, NOT to scale
|<--sleeve-->||<--sleeve-->|
__neck__
|| \__/ ||
|| ||
| / \ | underarm| / \ | hanging
|/ \ |<--gussets--> | / \|<-sleeve
| / \| |/ \ | piece
| / | | \ |
| / /| |\ \ |
|/ / |side | \ \|
/ / |<--gussets--->| \ \
/ | | \
/| |\
/ | | \
(lengthen as needed)
The body piece is about shoulder width, and the underarm gussets make the
ease and fitting the bust needs. The side gussets allow you to walk.
The sleeve pieces will be shorter than you think they should be because the
shoulder seam drops off the shoulder a little.
Sew the bias edges of the side gussets to the sides of the front and back
pieces.
Make the underarm gussets a square cut on grain, fold it diagonally and sew
it in so that it's bias on the diagonal/folded edge under your arm where it
needs to stretch.
Tie your sleeve points together behind you when you're working or there's
no way to keep them out of what you're doing. Cooks/servers didn't wear
dangly sleeves when cooking/serving, or if they did they got them out of
the way somehow so the things didn't flop into the Master's food.
CarolynKayta Barrows
dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian
www.FunStuft.com
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Re: [h-cost] Bustle pictures
Yes, I did the embroidery by hand. The inspiration came from a cream/white embroidered corset in the book from the Kyoto museum. It is on page 279 on the left of the middle row. Deredere Chris wrote: You look wonderful and I love the fancy work on the corset. Did you do it by hand? Thanks for sharing, Chris G. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which may still be a good deal, but be sure to read the fine print before getting too excited. I noticed a lot of internet fares right now being advertised at about $650 round trip, which is a great deal, but when I look closely there are several hundred dollars in fees and taxes added on that make the price the same as the 'regular' fare. They do that with hotels a lot too. Taxes can almost double the cost of travel, and surprise you if you aren't paying attention. The V&A is nice, as is the Museum of London. The Museum of London is sort of set up as a timeline of London history, and I think it's well done and of interest to those of us who like any period of history. I think I'll be giving the V&A a miss, since a lot of what I really want to see won't be on display. We'll hit the National Gallery and the Museum of London, have a nice cup of tea, and find our train... Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Nesat 7 & 8
Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > NESAT 7 was delivered today (in Arkansas) from David Brown. > and Cathy Raymond wrote I got mine this past Tuesday (Pennsylvania) and my copy of NESAT 8. >> Is there any chance we could talk you into posting the table of contents of each of these here? Colleen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London
I think you mean British Midlands, which is one of my favorite airlines and especially the way the flight attendants dress - gloves and hats while in the airport! Good idea about the e-mail list; I should check that out. Often there are good fares advertised in the paper, but then they say "one way based on round trip, other charges apply" - which basically means double it and add $100. Which may still be a good deal, but be sure to read the fine print before getting too excited. The V&A is nice, as is the Museum of London. The Museum of London is sort of set up as a timeline of London history, and I think it's well done and of interest to those of us who like any period of history. -Carol > I have a suggestion for those wanting to go to London. I am on United > Airlines frequent flyer email list. During Feb. & Mar. 2005 flights to > London went for around $200 ISD (roundtrip) from Dulles airport in DC. At > one point, the price dropped to $175. I saw flights from Chicago to > London for just a little bit more. The catch is that you have to purchase the > ticket within the week of the offer, and you can travel anytime for a > month and stay up to a month. United is also affiliated with British Midway > (BMI). So the flights may be on that airline instead of United. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fitting t-tunics
I am sorry I am replying to this s late - my computer sometimes 'eats' messages. Any way, I would love to help you with this web site. I am always making T-tunics that fit badly. I am a broad shouldered, long armed, long torso, short rise, slim build lady. No matter how I try to 'tweak' the tunic I end up with something that looks like a potato sack - or worse. I would love to end up with a tunic that: sits properly on my shoulders/neckline, allows me to do work without the sleeves getting in the way, long 'bell' sleeves, enough width in the 'skirt' area for me to walk normally, slightly fitted in the torso area. hh. ooopppsss I guess tunic fitting is a 'hot button' for me. Katheryne who is now trying to find a rock to hide under J Schueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One website that i would love to do (when i have the fitting ability) is do a web site with various people and show the first fit of a t-tunic, and then how it looks as one changes each measurement to get a great fitting tunic. can you tell that i am a math teacher (methodical, methodical, and methodical) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bustle pictures
You look wonderful and I love the fancy work on the corset. Did you do it by hand? Thanks for sharing, Chris G. Deredere Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mmmm... I feel a bit like a Nanny or a school teacher... It looks a stif. Probably just a bit to simple for my taste. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html There is still a lot of work to do on the bodice to get it right. Have to take out the sleeves again since they are stil not looking right. And it looks like I have huge shoulder muscles :-) . I am planning on making a nice little straw hat to make the look complete. Greetings, Deredere ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Rome and Venice Holiday - helpful suggestions/comments
Your message just now came through on the H-Costume list; the server had a hiccup. Venice: Murano was a disappointment, except for the glass museum. It's a big island (when you're on foot) and there are seemingly hundreds of glass shops, many of them selling obvious mass-produced imports, such as little molded creatures, painted glass where the color comes off in the wash, or lampwork beads, which the proprietors swear were made by their family around the corner. Watching some of the glassblowers at work is fun, but their work sells for hundreds of dollars. What I really enjoyed shopping for in Venice was an unusual paper-mache mask. And as far as touristing, just walking around in the areas far away from the major tourist spots was really fun. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Let's see: a game where the object is to kill hundreds of innocents is ok, but the minute you have consensual sex in it, it needs a Congressional investigation. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Rome and Venice Holiday - helpful suggestions/comments
REPLY &THANKS TO ALL Very many thanks to all of you who have contributed suggestions [or are still thinking of doing so] for sites to visit; and thus are helping us to plan our itinery for both cities. When going to an unknown area, nothing beats advance Intelligence briefings from people who have visited the area already, and have no "personal axes to grind" - [unlike guide-book authors, who are getting paid to write "good stuff" ]. God's Benison upon you all, and your Houses, this Day and until The Judgement. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] - Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Holiday in Rome & Venice
My wife and I are going to Italy in 3 weeks time, spending a week in Rome for her to visit as many historic Catholic Sites as she can cram into the week; - and then on to Venice for me, where I have long wanted to visit the Murano Glass makers, and a "working" boatyard building Gondolas, and the historic Arsenale - or at least the parts open to the Public, - which was the world's first "production-line shipyard". Given our interest in the late-mediæval period, may I ask Listers for their suggestions of Museums and Collections to visit in both cities, where the exhibits would be of particular interest to a couple of enthusiastic re-enactors of English/Norman/Breton** 15th Century life? [** - all 3 Polities had their influence on Life in 15th Century Jersey.] We've never been to either city previously, and although I have already spent quite a number of hours online looking at tourism sites for Rome & Venice, there is so much "historic" listed , that choices will be hard to make without a little bit more "knowledgeable input". So suggestions from Listers who've been fortunate enough to visit both cities' historic sites will be very welcome indeed. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] - Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London
Mmmm...that reminds me. The Cheapside Hoard lives at the Museum of London. Really impressive! --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: The jewelry collection of the V&A or London Gallery is also something to behold. I can't remember which one museum has the collection. The diamonds, emeralds, and rubies are stunning! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy
>Hello Cynthia, >I know real jewels have to have some weight to them. It's why so many of the modern repros just don't have that rich, expensive look to them, because they are made of flat brass bits (which is pretty, but doesn't look right). The reason why I wanted the jewels to be lighter was because I thought actual metal jewels would put a huge strain on the French hood I am making. However, I have come up with a theory that I am working on verifying that might help the F-hood to hold up to the strain of gold and jewels all over the top. I will share more when I get the darn hood done! (my fingers don't like the hand sewing of a curved object). >Thanks again. I am going back to drooling again. >Kimiko No prob. Love to share a good source. Love to be the first to find same! I'm fairly new to Elizahoovian, tho not to sewing and not to milinery. My first french hood, which couldnt take the weight of Swarovski pearls, looks good anyway, if a bit plain. I've started the "dog house" gabled hood a la Catherine of Aragon. What a monster. It could support a gold brick. Maybe two. Having erred in either direction, I'm hoping that next time, I can get something in the middle ground. Wouldja couldja post an F-hood photo or 6? Since I've not yet seen you IRL, I'd love to get an idea of your work. Thanks. Ciao! Gotta catch a flight to NYC & the Met. --cin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re: Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy (Cin)
Ha, found the business card in my luggage. It will be www.Tharros.com when it comes to life. The business seemed relatively new for all that it had 2 shops on the street in Florence and a full case in the Pitti Palace bookshop (where I took some of the pictures). --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sleeve question bustle gown
There are lines to adjust the length on the skirt patterns. Not on the bodice pattern. I lengthed the skirt by 6" en my hem is 1" deep. And I am 1m 78cm. The only thing I don't like on the *TV460 *are the gathers at the sleeve top. There were way to much gathers and it looked silly. But I think she did a really good job on the patterns. They are the simple shapes for the garments and are so easy to adjust to make them more fancy. Melody Watts wrote: Hi, I live in the USA, about 1 county over from where "Heather" the woman who owns "Truly Victorian" lives, I have meet and talked to Heather at Victorian 12th night celebrations and Victorian Faires, and can vouch that she is not short, I'm 5 ft tall and she towers over me a good foot and a half. She wears her creations at the faires and events too. I haven't been able to access my sewing room as it has become a temp-y storage area during house renovations ,but I do have her Polanaise pattern waitng for me, are there any "adjust for height/length here" lines on the patterns? I can't get tomine to check. Her web site has an area for questions and help with the patterns, heck she even offered to have people come to her house to get help with the fitting. I'm sure any problem you encountered with the patterns she would be happy to help with, she likes feed back on the designs. Melody --- Deredere Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip.. It was also way to short. The TV patterns are made for very short women. I made the sleeve 10cm longer and still it ended up being to short. snip Greetings, Deredere You are right that they are fitted into the armscye. I know someone else who had this trouble with the patterns. >michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
