Re: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
Ann wrote: The linen-rayon blends are generally cheaper than 100% linen. They are a good compromise if necessary. They have the added benefit of making the fabric less wrinkle prone. This statement is just not true. While linen does crease badly, rayon wrinkles like crazy. Besides, I don't recall seeing this particular blend. Cotton/linen, yes, and polyester/rayon (your "linen look"), yes. There are plenty of linen/rayon blends out there; I could buy more right now, if I wasn't still working from my stash. I've been making clothes from both linen/rayon and cotton/linen blends since the 1970's. Adding either fibre to the linen doesn't eliminate the wrinkles, but it does greatly soften the creases, in proportion to the mix. (80/20 blends are crisper than 50/50 blends) The prices on blends are less than on 100% linen, and usually increase as the percentage of linen goes up. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: *snippage* The linen-rayon blends are generally cheaper than 100% linen. They are a good compromise if necessary. They have the added benefit of making the fabric less wrinkle prone. This statement is just not true. While linen does crease badly, rayon wrinkles like crazy. Besides, I don't recall seeing this particular blend. Cotton/linen, yes, and polyester/rayon (your "linen look"), yes. Really. I've got about 15 yards of rayon/linen blend. Has a *very* nice hand to it. Got it at Hancocks on the $2.00/yard table. :-) 10 yards of yellow, 5 of light green (or is it the other way around!) Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies.
At 00:47 29/03/2006, you wrote: > > > I have to make a 6th dress for the court of Mary Queen of Scots, and > have set a date, arbitrarily, for about 1573 for them all. (5 years > either way would be fine.) So far all my dresses have partlets, worn > in various ways, both white and black, and ruffs. I am desperate to > find something accurate but different. Any help out there? I know a > lot of you are interested in this period. > > Suzi > > > I don't have the book to hand, that whole at work thing, but I do recall > some needleworks showing ladies about the garden that while they have the > high neck/partlet/ruff on and it's allowed to fall open at the neck, > creating a bit of a different look. If that helps I can scan a copy in, > in an hour or two, Thanks but we already have a version of that. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
Very nice! I'm not a sewing "noob" but I don't have any experience with linen and silk, and very little with wool. :-) Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
Hi Ann! thanks for the comments! :D On Mar 28, 2006, at 7:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote This is my first draft, so any input would be appreciated!! Thanks!! There are several small errors or sort-of-but-not-quite truths here. Do you have a basic textile science book? Actually several. :D For example: The linen-rayon blends are generally cheaper than 100% linen. They are a good compromise if necessary. They have the added benefit of making the fabric less wrinkle prone. This statement is just not true. While linen does crease badly, rayon wrinkles like crazy. Besides, I don't recall seeing this particular blend. Cotton/linen, yes, and polyester/rayon (your "linen look"), yes. Our local Joanne's carries a linen/ rayon blend (currently on sale 30% off) and from experience with the fabric, it does wrinkle less. I've found the wrinkly-ness of rayon is dependent on the type of fabric. Rayon crepe can be worn for days with nary a wrinkle, but challis can wrinkle if you look at it crossly. Also, your discussion of flammability of manmade fibers vs natural ones; woolen/worsted. Not really sure what you mean here. Polyester and Nylon are much more flammable than natural fibers. And they do melt when burned. "Flammable" might not be the exact technical term, but it's a word everyone understands. The info on the worsted/ woolen is straight from of my books on textiles. If it is wrong, I'd be happy to change it. This guide is intended for folks who know NOTHING about fabrics and want to make good choices when venturing into the scary territory of a fabric store. I want to keep it extremely basic, but give suggestions so they steer clear of really bad fabric decisions. Thanks for the input! Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
In a message dated 3/28/2006 3:24:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.alfalfapress.com/dress/quickie_textile_guide.html This is my first draft, so any input would be appreciated!! Thanks!! There are several small errors or sort-of-but-not-quite truths here. Do you have a basic textile science book? For example: The linen-rayon blends are generally cheaper than 100% linen. They are a good compromise if necessary. They have the added benefit of making the fabric less wrinkle prone. This statement is just not true. While linen does crease badly, rayon wrinkles like crazy. Besides, I don't recall seeing this particular blend. Cotton/linen, yes, and polyester/rayon (your "linen look"), yes. Also, your discussion of flammability of manmade fibers vs natural ones; woolen/worsted. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies.
I'd say a doublet would be your best choice, if it didn't fall into the verboten "closed up neckline" category. --Sue - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies. > > I have just spent heaven knows how long trying to find an image of an > English or French woman on the 1570's, who does not have either a > ruff, or a partlet, or a closed up neckline. > > I don't want Italian - I have Moda a Firenze. (and want to make > something from it, but it would not be right - boo!) I have checked > the two Clouet databases in the French "Joconde" system, which are > drool worthy, but unhelpful. I have checked www.marquise.de, "My > Gracious Silence", Vecellio et al, plus postcards and books till I > don't know what I am seeing. > > I have to make a 6th dress for the court of Mary Queen of Scots, and > have set a date, arbitrarily, for about 1573 for them all. (5 years > either way would be fine.) So far all my dresses have partlets, worn > in various ways, both white and black, and ruffs. I am desperate to > find something accurate but different. Any help out there? I know a > lot of you are interested in this period. > > Suzi > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cheap books
Thought I would share this source for discounted titles: http://www.bookcloseouts.com They have a number of books on textiles, rugs, embroideries, blankets, etc. as well as art and history titles also useful in costume research. And everything seems to be in the 40%-75% off retail range! Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies.
That's the look I was talking about. The chemise neck has a small ruffle, but it's not a big ruff. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies. > > > I have to make a 6th dress for the court of Mary Queen of Scots, and > have set a date, arbitrarily, for about 1573 for them all. (5 years > either way would be fine.) So far all my dresses have partlets, worn > in various ways, both white and black, and ruffs. I am desperate to > find something accurate but different. Any help out there? I know a > lot of you are interested in this period. > > Suzi > > > I don't have the book to hand, that whole at work thing, but I do > recall some needleworks showing ladies about the garden that while > they have the high neck/partlet/ruff on and it's allowed to fall open > at the neck, creating a bit of a different look. If that helps I can > scan a copy in, in an hour or two, Alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies.
At 12:22 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote: I have just spent heaven knows how long trying to find an image of an English or French woman on the 1570's, who does not have either a ruff, or a partlet, or a closed up neckline. I don't want Italian - I have Moda a Firenze. (and want to make something from it, but it would not be right - boo!) I have checked the two Clouet databases in the French "Joconde" system, which are drool worthy, but unhelpful. I have checked www.marquise.de, "My Gracious Silence", Vecellio et al, plus postcards and books till I don't know what I am seeing. I have to make a 6th dress for the court of Mary Queen of Scots, and have set a date, arbitrarily, for about 1573 for them all. (5 years either way would be fine.) So far all my dresses have partlets, worn in various ways, both white and black, and ruffs. I am desperate to find something accurate but different. Any help out there? I know a lot of you are interested in this period. Suzi Given the ubiquity of ruffs in the 1570s, I'd be very surprised to find a portrait that did not show a ruff of some style. The biggest variation in the design of clothes tends to be in the sleeve style, whether high- (also called a doublet bodice) or low-bodied (with a partlet), and whether or not the overskirt is open over a forepart. The other way to vary things is by fabric choices. But there will not be a big variation in silhouette. Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] aka Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies.
> > > I have to make a 6th dress for the court of Mary Queen of Scots, and > have set a date, arbitrarily, for about 1573 for them all. (5 years > either way would be fine.) So far all my dresses have partlets, worn > in various ways, both white and black, and ruffs. I am desperate to > find something accurate but different. Any help out there? I know a > lot of you are interested in this period. > > Suzi > > > I don't have the book to hand, that whole at work thing, but I do recall > some needleworks showing ladies about the garden that while they have the > high neck/partlet/ruff on and it's allowed to fall open at the neck, > creating a bit of a different look. If that helps I can scan a copy in, > in an hour or two, Alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies.
At 12:22 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote: I have just spent heaven knows how long trying to find an image of an English or French woman on the 1570's, who does not have either a ruff, or a partlet, or a closed up neckline. Ahh... nope, not in my records. They all have a version of something from the above list. Sorry. Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
Very nice. A friend told me to take a portable lighter along- if you aren't sure if it's polyester, get a sample, take it outside and burn it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Althea Turner Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:24 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] quickie textile guide Hey all, I have a friend who is not allowed to go to the fabric store without a keeper. :D She knows nothing about fabrics and likes shiny bright SHINY fabrics, which are rarely a natural fiber. So with her in mind, I am working on a quick guide that she, and others, can print out. I am sure I am leaving out important information so if you could check it out and let me know, I'd greatly appreciate it. The intended audience is re-enactors without much experience with fabrics or sewing. http://www.alfalfapress.com/dress/quickie_textile_guide.html This is my first draft, so any input would be appreciated!! Thanks!! Althea Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries?
Hi Nicole, Why do you ask about this particular petticoat. Are you not sure if it is correct. To me it looks real. Perhaps the underskirts, petticoats was not that important in design, so they used all kinds of, as it didnt show. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "N Kipar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? Thanks, Dawn. The peek of striped petticoat that you can see on the dummy is a lot more bold. :-) http://www.kipar.org/temp/striped-petticoat-dummy.jpg That's the lady. Nicole "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." From: Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:34:05 -0600 N Kipar wrote: http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1670/woman_summer_1675.jpg However, it's not just the petticoat (in fairly broad stripes on the dummy) but in the fashion print it's the whole dress. I wonder how many others I am currently forgetting due to brain overload. There's the one at the Met: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_33.54a,b.htm I collected photos of dresses from this time period, but that is the only one with stripes that I have. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies.
In one of my groups, one of the ladies has a doublet style bodice, but she wears it open, sort of like a modern shirt, so it forms a "V" at the neck. She doesn't wear a partlet, just a chemise, which is also open, over the doublet, so that the underside of the chemise shows. Hope this makes sense. I tried to get a pic, but it wouldn't copy. If you want more info, I'll ask if it's ok to post the site where we have pics. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies. I have just spent heaven knows how long trying to find an image of an English or French woman on the 1570's, who does not have either a ruff, or a partlet, or a closed up neckline. I don't want Italian - I have Moda a Firenze. (and want to make something from it, but it would not be right - boo!) I have checked the two Clouet databases in the French "Joconde" system, which are drool worthy, but unhelpful. I have checked www.marquise.de, "My Gracious Silence", Vecellio et al, plus postcards and books till I don't know what I am seeing. I have to make a 6th dress for the court of Mary Queen of Scots, and have set a date, arbitrarily, for about 1573 for them all. (5 years either way would be fine.) So far all my dresses have partlets, worn in various ways, both white and black, and ruffs. I am desperate to find something accurate but different. Any help out there? I know a lot of you are interested in this period. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Venetian research question - need help
I'm curious. Are you making a plaster mold to then cover in whatever the mask is made of? What do you use for the base (to build upon)? Sharon, who has made masks, with difficulty, because I didn't have a good base :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Sampsel Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:24 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Venetian research question - need help Hello, I am new to this list so before I continue, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Rachel Sampsel and in the SCA my personae name is Raisa Zaplatskaya, also called "Patches." I've been playing in the SCA for a little bit and now I have gotten myself into a bit of a pickle: I've volunteered to run several plaster mask making workshops in anticipation of a masked ball. The organizer of the event would like to focus on a Venetian theme. Ok, no problem with that. The problem comes in when I'm researching Venetian masking traditions PRIOR to the 1600's. I'd like to offer a "brief history of" handout and I'm running into all kinds of problems. I've run across a number of masking sources on the internet, professional suppliers, amateur sites and so on that give a very romantic view of the masking tradition, but don't supply any bibliography. According to these sources, Venice had a strong masking tradition in everyday life prior to 1268 C.E. They swear up and down that it was VERY common for peasants through nobles to wear masks in public anytime they wanted to go about their "business" (legal and illegal) without anyone knowing who they were. These sources also swear that the first of many laws limiting the use of masks occurred in 1268 C.E. to try and put a cap on the illegal activities and moral declination of the city. Some sources hint that these were sumptuary laws and others that they were actual "masking use" laws. These sources don't give me any reference material to work with and when I ask, they point me to another source that is equally frustrating in terms of giving me a bibliography. I have poured through every Venetian history book I can lay my hands on and can't find a single reference to masks in this regard prior to Carnival becoming the city's big money making attraction in the 18th century. Logically, if masks were that widespread, that common and a big enough problem that laws were enacted curtailing their manufacture and use, I should have found it in at least 1 history book, right? I mean, one book I tackled was Venice from 697 - 1797 and could provide socio-economic figures for the city by year and class as well as reported criminal statistics by neighborhood. Theoretically, if masking had become that detrimental to society, it would be deserving of at least a footnote, would it not? So my question is - does anyone have ANY idea on a reputable scholastic source for Venetian masking traditions prior to the 17th century? Is there maybe a database out there with medieval Venetian law codes that I can tear through or maybe a recognized scholarly authority SOMEWHERE on the subject? I really don't want to look like a brainless twit on the subject when people start poppin' questions at me. Any help would be appreciated at this juncture. Patches ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor
I ordered mine online from the link originally posted on this list, try email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and got a voucher in the mail. It was converted to US$ on my Visa bill. They will mail it when it comes in. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abel, Cynthia Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:48 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor Does anyone on this list know of any US sellers of this book? Or anyone selling that accepts CC payment, not PayPal? It isn't listed on Amazon.co.uk, yet! Cindy Abel Omaha NE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joannah Hansen Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:29 AM To: Historic Costume List ; The Renaissance Tailor ; Authentic SCA Subject: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor I've been having a closer read of the 'Tudor Tailor' ( who needs sleep? ) and I am seriously, seriously impressed. I think the book may well have set a new standard for publications of this genre. An excellent resource. Now I want to do Tudor... Joannah ( suffering from multiple period disorder - Roman, ECW, Georgian/Rum Corp, ACW - now what ELSE can I do? ) ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
In a message dated 3/28/2006 3:42:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: durability While durability is dependent not only on fiber, but also fabric structure, I think it is safe to say that polyester and nylon are very durable (they are used for tire cords, after all). Rayon, on the other hand, is inherently weak, but some people do not consider it "synthetic" per se, since it is regenerated cellulose, but rather "man-made." Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] satin taffeta
Since I work at Joanns part time, I can't help but have noticed the fabric they sell called satin taffeta. I can't figure out how you can combine satin and taffeta. Aren't each of them a distinctive weave? Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries?
Thanks, Dawn. The peek of striped petticoat that you can see on the dummy is a lot more bold. :-) http://www.kipar.org/temp/striped-petticoat-dummy.jpg That's the lady. Nicole "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." From: Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:34:05 -0600 N Kipar wrote: http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1670/woman_summer_1675.jpg However, it's not just the petticoat (in fairly broad stripes on the dummy) but in the fashion print it's the whole dress. I wonder how many others I am currently forgetting due to brain overload. There's the one at the Met: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_33.54a,b.htm I collected photos of dresses from this time period, but that is the only one with stripes that I have. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] what do renaissance seamen look like?
Sailors of the Elizabethan period, based on period art wear loose
venetians or what willlater be called slops. Some are shown closed at
the bottom some are not. The upper body garments tend to be either
close fitting doublets, or a loose smock sort of jacket referred to in
the period as a cassock. The real obvious indicator of a sailor is the
cap. The most notable ones being thrummed caps. Thrummed caps look in
art like fur. They are made from strands of woll (thrum) being afixed
through the weave of kit caps, not unlike the modern watch cap.
Thrums are little bits of wool knotted together. If you knit this up, and
put all the knotted ends to the outside, it does look like fur.
Good art does exist out there. A number of Dutch maps shows mariner
figures as does the Mariner's Mirror. Actually the Dutch version and
the English version depict some different figures. I think it is just
after the period, but there are the woodcuts of the BArents expeditions
as well. Some art survivies depicting one of Frobisher's trips as
well. There is also the image depicted in Vecellios that was earlier
mentioned.
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Re: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
One quick note, accuracy wise: 'silk' velvet is (almost?) always silk ground and rayon pile, not vice versa. You might expand on blends where appropriate - for example, a linen-rayon blend, while not ideal, is a great improvement over linen-look polyester. You might also want to include basic information about why polyester and many other synthetics are better avoided when possible - breathability, fire safety, and durability are major points even for someone who isn't driven to authenticity. - Catrijn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries?
N Kipar wrote: http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1670/woman_summer_1675.jpg However, it's not just the petticoat (in fairly broad stripes on the dummy) but in the fashion print it's the whole dress. I wonder how many others I am currently forgetting due to brain overload. There's the one at the Met: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_33.54a,b.htm I collected photos of dresses from this time period, but that is the only one with stripes that I have. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] quickie textile guide
Hey all, I have a friend who is not allowed to go to the fabric store without a keeper. :D She knows nothing about fabrics and likes shiny bright SHINY fabrics, which are rarely a natural fiber. So with her in mind, I am working on a quick guide that she, and others, can print out. I am sure I am leaving out important information so if you could check it out and let me know, I'd greatly appreciate it. The intended audience is re-enactors without much experience with fabrics or sewing. http://www.alfalfapress.com/dress/quickie_textile_guide.html This is my first draft, so any input would be appreciated!! Thanks!! Althea Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Images of 16th century ladies.
I have just spent heaven knows how long trying to find an image of an English or French woman on the 1570's, who does not have either a ruff, or a partlet, or a closed up neckline. I don't want Italian - I have Moda a Firenze. (and want to make something from it, but it would not be right - boo!) I have checked the two Clouet databases in the French "Joconde" system, which are drool worthy, but unhelpful. I have checked www.marquise.de, "My Gracious Silence", Vecellio et al, plus postcards and books till I don't know what I am seeing. I have to make a 6th dress for the court of Mary Queen of Scots, and have set a date, arbitrarily, for about 1573 for them all. (5 years either way would be fine.) So far all my dresses have partlets, worn in various ways, both white and black, and ruffs. I am desperate to find something accurate but different. Any help out there? I know a lot of you are interested in this period. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Venetian research question - need help
Ok, some of these have nothing to do with masks, but are interesting anyway. :D They might have bibliographies which will lead you to new sources. Revelling in the past. Geographical, Feb2003, Vol. 75 Issue 2, p28, 7p, 9c; (AN 8933572) THE OLD AND NEW WORLDS OF MARDI GRAS. By: Ribeiro, Aileen. History Today, Feb86, Vol. 36 Issue 2, p30, 6p, 8bw; (AN 4885564) OUTWARD APPEARANCES: THE DISPLAY OF WOMEN IN RESTORATION LONDON (ENGLAND) Author: PRITCHARD, WILLIAM JAMES Degree: PH.D. Institution: THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO 0330 Year: 1998 THEATRE OF THE FLESH: THE CARNIVAL OF VENICE AND THE THEATRE OF THE WORLD (THEATRUM MUNDI, ITALY) Author: GIURGEA, ADRIAN Degree: PH.D. Institution: UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES 0031 Year: 1987 Good luck! Althea On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Rachel Sampsel wrote: Hello, I am new to this list so before I continue, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Rachel Sampsel and in the SCA my personae name is Raisa Zaplatskaya, also called "Patches." I've been playing in the SCA for a little bit and now I have gotten myself into a bit of a pickle: I've volunteered to run several plaster mask making workshops in anticipation of a masked ball. The organizer of the event would like to focus on a Venetian theme. Ok, no problem with that. The problem comes in when I'm researching Venetian masking traditions PRIOR to the 1600's. I’d like to offer a “brief history of” handout and I’m running into all kinds of problems. I've run across a number of masking sources on the internet, professional suppliers, amateur sites and so on that give a very romantic view of the masking tradition, but don't supply any bibliography. According to these sources, Venice had a strong masking tradition in everyday life prior to 1268 C.E. They swear up and down that it was VERY common for peasants through nobles to wear masks in public anytime they wanted to go about their “business” (legal and illegal) without anyone knowing who they were. These sources also swear that the first of many laws limiting the use of masks occurred in 1268 C.E. to try and put a cap on the illegal activities and moral declination of the city. Some sources hint that these were sumptuary laws and others that they were actual “masking use” laws. These sources don’t give me any reference material to work with and when I ask, they point me to another source that is equally frustrating in terms of giving me a bibliography. I have poured through every Venetian history book I can lay my hands on and can’t find a single reference to masks in this regard prior to Carnival becoming the city’s big money making attraction in the 18th century. Logically, if masks were that widespread, that common and a big enough problem that laws were enacted curtailing their manufacture and use, I should have found it in at least 1 history book, right? I mean, one book I tackled was Venice from 697 – 1797 and could provide socio- economic figures for the city by year and class as well as reported criminal statistics by neighborhood. Theoretically, if masking had become that detrimental to society, it would be deserving of at least a footnote, would it not? So my question is – does anyone have ANY idea on a reputable scholastic source for Venetian masking traditions prior to the 17th century? Is there maybe a database out there with medieval Venetian law codes that I can tear through or maybe a recognized scholarly authority SOMEWHERE on the subject? I really don’t want to look like a brainless twit on the subject when people start poppin’ questions at me. Any help would be appreciated at this juncture. Patches ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries?
Hi, yes excactly this one. Also isnt there a portrait of Queen Anne in a striped mantua? Didnt realise it was that early 1670ies Bjarne - Original Message - From: "N Kipar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? Yes of course! How could I forget, I tell you, my brain's gone to mush since I started the new job. ;-) If it is the one that I mean then it's 1670s. Is it this one? http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1670/woman_summer_1675.jpg However, it's not just the petticoat (in fairly broad stripes on the dummy) but in the fashion print it's the whole dress. I wonder how many others I am currently forgetting due to brain overload. Nicole "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:36:16 +0200 Dear Nicole, One of my favourite fashion prints from J.D. de Saint- Jean woman walking with a light neckerchief on her head and a parasol, is a beautifull summer mantua made from striped fabric. The stripes are made in the vertical direction, but the bottom is horizontal. Made by ankles. My book doesnt give a year, but i would say late 1680ies- 90 Bjarne - Original Message - From: "N Kipar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? I wonder if anyone knows about any possible significance of wearing striped petticoats. Or even just simply of evidence, in whatever form. I am surprised to see a striped petticoat (vertical) on a c. 1690s dummy. I'm just trying to make sense of it and possibly get a better dating as well. Thanks! Nicole "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries?
Yes of course! How could I forget, I tell you, my brain's gone to mush since I started the new job. ;-) If it is the one that I mean then it's 1670s. Is it this one? http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1670/woman_summer_1675.jpg However, it's not just the petticoat (in fairly broad stripes on the dummy) but in the fashion print it's the whole dress. I wonder how many others I am currently forgetting due to brain overload. Nicole "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:36:16 +0200 Dear Nicole, One of my favourite fashion prints from J.D. de Saint- Jean woman walking with a light neckerchief on her head and a parasol, is a beautifull summer mantua made from striped fabric. The stripes are made in the vertical direction, but the bottom is horizontal. Made by ankles. My book doesnt give a year, but i would say late 1680ies- 90 Bjarne - Original Message - From: "N Kipar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? I wonder if anyone knows about any possible significance of wearing striped petticoats. Or even just simply of evidence, in whatever form. I am surprised to see a striped petticoat (vertical) on a c. 1690s dummy. I'm just trying to make sense of it and possibly get a better dating as well. Thanks! Nicole "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Venetian research question - need help
Hello, I am new to this list so before I continue, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Rachel Sampsel and in the SCA my personae name is Raisa Zaplatskaya, also called "Patches." I've been playing in the SCA for a little bit and now I have gotten myself into a bit of a pickle: I've volunteered to run several plaster mask making workshops in anticipation of a masked ball. The organizer of the event would like to focus on a Venetian theme. Ok, no problem with that. The problem comes in when I'm researching Venetian masking traditions PRIOR to the 1600's. Id like to offer a brief history of handout and Im running into all kinds of problems. I've run across a number of masking sources on the internet, professional suppliers, amateur sites and so on that give a very romantic view of the masking tradition, but don't supply any bibliography. According to these sources, Venice had a strong masking tradition in everyday life prior to 1268 C.E. They swear up and down that it was VERY common for peasants through nobles to wear masks in public anytime they wanted to go about their business (legal and illegal) without anyone knowing who they were. These sources also swear that the first of many laws limiting the use of masks occurred in 1268 C.E. to try and put a cap on the illegal activities and moral declination of the city. Some sources hint that these were sumptuary laws and others that they were actual masking use laws. These sources dont give me any reference material to work with and when I ask, they point me to another source that is equally frustrating in terms of giving me a bibliography. I have poured through every Venetian history book I can lay my hands on and cant find a single reference to masks in this regard prior to Carnival becoming the citys big money making attraction in the 18th century. Logically, if masks were that widespread, that common and a big enough problem that laws were enacted curtailing their manufacture and use, I should have found it in at least 1 history book, right? I mean, one book I tackled was Venice from 697 1797 and could provide socio-economic figures for the city by year and class as well as reported criminal statistics by neighborhood. Theoretically, if masking had become that detrimental to society, it would be deserving of at least a footnote, would it not? So my question is does anyone have ANY idea on a reputable scholastic source for Venetian masking traditions prior to the 17th century? Is there maybe a database out there with medieval Venetian law codes that I can tear through or maybe a recognized scholarly authority SOMEWHERE on the subject? I really dont want to look like a brainless twit on the subject when people start poppin questions at me. Any help would be appreciated at this juncture. Patches ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor
I will be selling The Tudor Tailor but I'm not sure exactly when I'll get copies or what the price will be. A U.S. publisher is going to do an American edition but he hasn't set a release date yet. I can get British copies through my regular wholesale distributor but they will be more expensive. Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re: Spanish California Women's Costume
>I am interested in finding information on Women's fashion from 1840 to 1850 >Ranchero life prior to the Gold Rush in 49. Particularly the dress that >would be worn for fandangos for married women. >Anyone got info or urls? Rachael, Call your local state historical park. Most of the volunteer assns are very helpful to newcomers. In particular, try Peralta Adobe in SJ, San Juan Bautista SHP and most especially Fort Ross. Many will have reference lists. Or read "Two Years Before the Mast". He'll tell you what he saw 1st person. Check the h-cost archives under "Californio" & fandango. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries?
Dear Nicole, One of my favourite fashion prints from J.D. de Saint- Jean woman walking with a light neckerchief on her head and a parasol, is a beautifull summer mantua made from striped fabric. The stripes are made in the vertical direction, but the bottom is horizontal. Made by ankles. My book doesnt give a year, but i would say late 1680ies- 90 Bjarne - Original Message - From: "N Kipar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries? I wonder if anyone knows about any possible significance of wearing striped petticoats. Or even just simply of evidence, in whatever form. I am surprised to see a striped petticoat (vertical) on a c. 1690s dummy. I'm just trying to make sense of it and possibly get a better dating as well. Thanks! Nicole "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor
I was able to pay for my copy with a credit card rather than using PayPal directly through their web site. Joan in Sacramento, CA, still waiting for my copy At 08:37 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: Cindy, If you contact Ninya and Jane you may be able to make arrangements to pay by CC. They do accept cheques, though. The link below tells you how to do so. There are also links on their website to contact them directly. http://www.tudortailor.com/sales.htm Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on this list know of any US sellers of this book? Or anyone selling that accepts CC payment, not PayPal? It isn't listed on Amazon.co.uk, yet! Cindy Abel Omaha NE ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries?
N Kipar wrote: I wonder if anyone knows about any possible significance of wearing striped petticoats. Or even just simply of evidence, in whatever form. I am surprised to see a striped petticoat (vertical) on a c. 1690s dummy. I'm just trying to make sense of it and possibly get a better dating as well. Do you have a picture you can point us to? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Striped petticoats in the late 17th/early 18th centuries?
I wonder if anyone knows about any possible significance of wearing striped petticoats. Or even just simply of evidence, in whatever form. I am surprised to see a striped petticoat (vertical) on a c. 1690s dummy. I'm just trying to make sense of it and possibly get a better dating as well. Thanks! Nicole "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] My apologies.....
Whoops! Sorry about the multiple posts of my reply to Cindy - I think the computer hiccupped. :-\ Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor
Cindy, If you contact Ninya and Jane you may be able to make arrangements to pay by CC. They do accept cheques, though. The link below tells you how to do so. There are also links on their website to contact them directly. http://www.tudortailor.com/sales.htm Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on this list know of any US sellers of this book? Or anyone selling that accepts CC payment, not PayPal? It isn't listed on Amazon.co.uk, yet! Cindy Abel Omaha NE _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor
Cindy, If you contact Ninya and Jane you may be able to make arrangements to pay by CC. They do accept cheques, though. The link below tells you how to do so. There are also links on their website to contact them directly. http://www.tudortailor.com/sales.htm Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on this list know of any US sellers of this book? Or anyone selling that accepts CC payment, not PayPal? It isn't listed on Amazon.co.uk, yet! Cindy Abel Omaha NE _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor
Cindy, If you contact Ninya and Jane you may be able to make arrangements to pay by CC. They do accept cheques, though. The link below tells you how to do so. There are also links on their website to contact them directly. http://www.tudortailor.com/sales.htm Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on this list know of any US sellers of this book? Or anyone selling that accepts CC payment, not PayPal? It isn't listed on Amazon.co.uk, yet! Cindy Abel Omaha NE _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor
Does anyone on this list know of any US sellers of this book? Or anyone selling that accepts CC payment, not PayPal? It isn't listed on Amazon.co.uk, yet! Cindy Abel Omaha NE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joannah Hansen Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:29 AM To: Historic Costume List ; The Renaissance Tailor ; Authentic SCA Subject: [h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor I've been having a closer read of the 'Tudor Tailor' ( who needs sleep? ) and I am seriously, seriously impressed. I think the book may well have set a new standard for publications of this genre. An excellent resource. Now I want to do Tudor... Joannah ( suffering from multiple period disorder - Roman, ECW, Georgian/Rum Corp, ACW - now what ELSE can I do? ) ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] More rhapsodising about the Tudor Tailor
I've been having a closer read of the 'Tudor Tailor' ( who needs sleep? ) and I am seriously, seriously impressed. I think the book may well have set a new standard for publications of this genre. An excellent resource. Now I want to do Tudor... Joannah ( suffering from multiple period disorder - Roman, ECW, Georgian/Rum Corp, ACW - now what ELSE can I do? ) ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dye surprises
Hm.interesting it came out RED! Dyes strike at different rates. The conditions must have been right for the red to strike first and best, leaving no attachment sites for the other color. At a different temp or pH (or water hardness, or any other variable) they might have struck at the same time and made a completely different effect. Barjne: this probably means that you can use less dye than you have in the past. If dark red was the result of using less than normal, you can probably use less dye. This should result in less rinsing to remove excess dye. If the correct amount of dye is used for the weight of goods, the water will be exhausted--- it will be clear or barely tinted at the end of the dye bath and little or no dye will rinse off the yarn/fabric. This is only true if you are using non-union dye. (Union dyes are the kind that are supposed to dye "any" fiber content -- the dye not needed for whatever fiber you dye is not used from the dye bath and is washed away. Like Rit dye.) I hope I'm remembering the right terms--it's been awhile. Denise B Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dye surprises
In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:02:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even that i only added little red. Hm.interesting it came out RED! Usually when one mixes complimentary colors [Blue & orange, violet & yellow, red & green] they "kill" each other and you get a dull color. To brighten up a green, I'd add yellow. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Tudor Tailor Book arrived!
Wheee Happy dance! It arrived today! My poor husband exercised the *greatest* restraint, and _didn't_ open the parcel before I got home from work, bless him. ( Mind you, he only got home about 1/2 an hour before me. ;-P ) It's GORGEOUS. I've had a skim through, now to go and have a closer look. I just wanted to let people know - their copy is now obviously on the way to them! Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset cutting suggestion
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset cutting suggestion I'm getting tired of the number of times I've needed to alter the corset pattern I'm currently working on (the 1844 corset in Corsets and Crinolines, the bust is way too big & I'm on my third round of alterations to reduce it) Lookyou probably just need to step back a littledo something else for a bit... then come back to it. that's exactly what I'm doing actually as I need more SCA garb for an event coming up over the Easter long weekend I'm making a boned Tudor kirtle and I'm doing a lot of hand finishing so I can enter it into a competition. After that I'll probably go back to my Victorian as I want to have the outfit that will go over it ready by July for a Dickensian Ball. I think that one last alteration should reduce the bust enough to fit, but it will involve unpicking a seam that I've already sewn several times. I may try another corset pattern later, but I've bought the boning cut to length for this pattern and it wouldn't work for a different pattern. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
