Re: [h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required)
Me, too! Plus size and only 5' 2" tall. I can use all the help I can get. Thanks. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Kimiko Small wrote: At 12:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: In making Plus Size gowns, etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right proportion for the period. Hi Kathleen, As a plus sized woman who later this summer will, I promise, *will* make a Victorian outfit for our County Sesquicentennial (I think I have that right... 150 year anniversary), any suggestions or tips on getting that right proportion? Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > But what I'm wondering is whether the author is trying to describe > something of this sort and accidentally evoking a later style of "lace". Since she's describing clothes and not veils, probably not. Fortunately I don't have to guess; I'll ask her what she's looking at and help her find the right word, once I've explained why "lace" won't do. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required)
At 12:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: In making Plus Size gowns, etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right proportion for the period. Hi Kathleen, As a plus sized woman who later this summer will, I promise, *will* make a Victorian outfit for our County Sesquicentennial (I think I have that right... 150 year anniversary), any suggestions or tips on getting that right proportion? Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and pure gold lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold lace," so I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is misapplying a modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means trim borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In asking her exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to explain that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground when I say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly thought of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect you're describing something else." Something is twigging my memory. There's a number of paintings of the Virgin from roughly that period from eastern Europe that feature veils edged with some sort of decorative edging depicted in gold that I could easily see someone describing as "lace" for want of a better word. The paintings are fairly stylized and it's hard to tell whether the motifs are intended to depict an actual decorative threadwork technique or what. But what it appears to be is an edging made either of gold thread or gold in some other form that stands out from the edge of the veil in open designs, often with little pendant bits. I'm describing this very badly -- I wish I could find an example on the web to point to. My memory is telling me that there are several examples in Sronkova's "Gothic Woman's Fashion", but alas I don't own a copy of that book. But what I'm wondering is whether the author is trying to describe something of this sort and accidentally evoking a later style of "lace". Heather -- Heather Rose Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Chris Laning wrote: > That help? Yes! Thank you for typing it all in. (Dollars to donuts my author came up with "gold lace" by quoting some art book or museum description, whose author had no clue about any of these techniques.) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
Being the first to have the book handy and a few minutes to type. the very first sentence of Chapter 1 of THE classic reference, Santina Levey's _Lace: A History_, says: "During the two decades 1560 to 1580, lace became an increasingly important feature of fashionable dress in most European countries, and this development can be traced in contemporary records and in the portraits of the period." She goes on to say that decorative "crimped and goffered EDGES" appear in the _15th_ century, in the same places we would expect to find lace some decades later -- but they are merely a "laundry technique" and not needlework of any kind. In the late 15th and early 16th centuries we can see "decorative edges" that _do_ involve needlework of some kind on the edges of veils, and at the necks and wrists of smocks and shirts. These edges were created with embroidery (oversewing and buttonhole stitch), beads, seed pearls or applied cords. "Many of these edge decorations were carried out in colored silk or metal thread, a fact which has tended to obscure their links with later linen laces." The earliest record of some sort of trimming made with bobbins is 1476, by the ladies of the household of Eleanor d'Este, but it's almost certainly a cord, since the account book says "...cordella facto a piombino...". "There was no moment," she says, "at which any of the above techniques either changed into or were replaced by lace. Gradually, however, during the second quarter of the sixteenth century, changing tastes in trimmings and embroidery resulted in the exaggeration of certain effects: in particular, greater emphasis was placed on decorated seams and edgings Needle and bobbin lace began to emerge in response to these demands, but it was a long time before they were seen to have become separated from the older techniques... Indeed, one of the clearest indications of the newness of lace is its lack of a name that is wholly its own." As for possible early dates for metallic lace, "...Although, therefore, fifteenth-century references to 'lace', such as the mantle lace worn by Richard III at his coronation in 1485, really refer to cords and braids, it is possible that some of the later references to 'passementerie' may refer to early bobbin laceThe 'Pasmens of gold' and 'passmeyn riband' worn respectively by Mary I and Edward VI were certainly braids, but the more explicitly described 'Passmeyn lace of bone work of gold' mentioned in the Lord Chamberlain's Accounts for 1553 was bobbin lace." (She gives a footnote for this conclusion, but doesn't justify it further. She goes on to describe a "white silver bone lace" of 1560 and "6 white smocks edged with white needle lace" in 1558-9.) That help? -- OChris Laning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help identifying something
> Is anyone familiar with this painting: > http://www.joslyn.org/permcol/euro/pages/veronese.html > or have access to a larger or more detailed image? > > I am trying to identify what that is dangling under her left arm. > My > initial guess is part of a chemise, since she appears to have > shrugged > off a loose gown and there is no other layer in site. Also, other > portraits of Venus around this time tend to have a chemise lying > around > if she is nude :). Do you need this information in a hurry? I can run down to the Joslyn and look at the painting ... but between overtime at work and helping out a friend whose mother just died, it ain't gonna be this week. Leah ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
Dawn wrote: Robin Netherton wrote: So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. The documentation I have (an SCA handout with pictures) shows drawn and cutwork "lace" as early as the 1400's and thread-and-bobbin lace mentioned in 1493, and a pattern book published in 1524. I would say "late 15th century" is a safe guess. I should clarify my last statement, as late 15th century being a date for the earliest kinds of work we'd recognize today, and give "early 16th century" as a better date for common useage (at least among european nobility). Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Carol Kocian wrote: > In the 18th century, lace was also a woven tape that could be > used around buttonholes and worked into patterns on some military > coats. There are also the laces that go through eyelets to fasten > things. > > I know what you mean, though, if the author means something like > that, readers will be looking for string & holes. Yes, this is not meant to be complicated. As I said earlier, she's talking about a decoration (not lacings) and didn't know the right term. In other words: Non-costume person looks at 14th c. art and says, "Oh, see the pretty gold lace." I'm saying, "Whatever you're looking at is not lace, which wasn't invented till XXX. Tell me what you're seeing and I'll help you find the right word." I need "XXX." --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
> No library digging needed for this one, I think; I suspect you can give me > enough for my purposes off the top of your head! Thanks... wow. > > Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of > the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes > decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and pure gold > lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've > never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold lace," I agree with you about the "gold lace" probably being a misapplication or a misinterpretation of the term. As far as is known lace evolved in the realm of linen fibers, not in the metalics. Bone lace, or bobbin lace, didn't show up until mid or near the end of the 16th century. And that was the breakthrough that led to metalic threads first being formed into patterns of lace and applied to clothing. The first records of the bone laces all seem to refer to linen fibers, but are soon filled out with laces in gold, silver and copper. Prior to that... there is all types of embroidered work, both in and above the cloth. Passamentiere work can be mistaken for lace in some cases. Now there is plenty of woven metalic edgings and ribbons that could have a pattern that appeared to be lacey. A pattern in the ribbon worked in gold on a ground of the same color as the garment... that's possible, maybe. Hope that's good enough... I don't have my Levy right next to me and I'm working from memory. BTW... an aside and a small rant... If this author is talking about or referring to the Prague exhibit in any way... they might be falling vicitim to some errors I saw in the exhibit information. There was one chausible, lovely thing, all 14th century embroidery, but the card next to it failed to mention that the orphrey (?) had been remounted sometime in the 16th or 17th century. Because there on the chausible all about the edge was a bobbin lace border of gold and silver thread so, just FYI. Bridgette so > I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is misapplying a > modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means trim > borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In asking her > exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to explain > that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would > interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground when I > say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly thought > of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect > you're describing something else." > > So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark > half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as > "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see > recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th > century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping > up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. In the 18th century, lace was also a woven tape that could be used around buttonholes and worked into patterns on some military coats. There are also the laces that go through eyelets to fasten things. I know what you mean, though, if the author means something like that, readers will be looking for string & holes. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Marie Stewart wrote: > There are two main ways to make lace... start with cloth and put > holes into it to form the lace (punti tagliati, hedebo work, cut work, > embroidered lace) and the other way is to form lace from string by > forming a repetitive pattern that becomes the body of the work (bobbin > lace, tatting, knitted, knotwork) > > All can create lace... cloth with a pattern of holes in it. Woven > techniques are perhaps the oldest. So can you give a little > more information of what you are looking for... I'll dig through the > library. No library digging needed for this one, I think; I suspect you can give me enough for my purposes off the top of your head! Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and pure gold lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold lace," so I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is misapplying a modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means trim borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In asking her exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to explain that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground when I say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly thought of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect you're describing something else." So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
Hey there Robin... There are two main ways to make lace... start with cloth and put holes into it to form the lace (punti tagliati, hedebo work, cut work, embroidered lace) and the other way is to form lace from string by forming a repetitive pattern that becomes the body of the work (bobbin lace, tatting, knitted, knotwork) All can create lace... cloth with a pattern of holes in it. Woven techniques are perhaps the oldest. So can you give a little more information of what you are looking for... I'll dig through the library. Bridgette On 4/18/06, Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place > for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a > modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) > > --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question
Hi Robin, If you look in the archives, i have posted a coupple of times about the first written proof of bobbin lace. Dont remember the year and date for it. It was an italian letter and the lace worked on had 6 pairs of bobbins. Bjarne Original Message - From: "Robin Netherton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historic Costume List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: [h-cost] Quick lace question I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Quick lace question
I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costume Dig...
I have an antique hoop from family that I use and my skirts re about 3 panels. It fits just right. Proportion says it all! One of the problems I have with the 'new' patterns is that the bodice is usually for a modern fit and is too long for the proportions viewed in Godey's and Peterson's. The two extant whole gowns I own are slightly short waisted for me (re modern fit) but perfect for 19thC wear. In making Plus Size gowns, etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right proportion for the period. For waisted gowns they usually think their waist is somewhere ...(male or female)below the navel. Kathleen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costume Dig... > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 12:10:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The CW garments that I > have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about > 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. > > > *** > 1830's skirts will have a mere 3 1/2 yard hem sometimes. This looks right if > in proportion with the top...huge sleeves and such. > It depends on the scale and balance of the whole garment. > When I make an 1860s gown, 3, 45" panels are usually plenty for a skirt. > But then the hoop underneath has to be the right scale. [interestingly, > sometimes an 1840s or 50s gown requires more to look right] > Bustle gown regularly suffer from too full a drape or ruffle. There is > something more realistic about skimpier ruffles sometimes. > > I've seen lots of garments [usually on stage] that are too full. > > It's balance and proportionof the WHOLE OUTFIT that can make the > difference. > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] crescent shaped leather on 18th century stays
One thing i also wonder about this, is why did Diderot not show this in his encyklopedia? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Tudor tailor
I can understand from the many posts about this new book, that many are making this period. May i ask you, have you considered to make something new from the book? Is it going to be another style, than you normally do? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Dig...
In a message dated 4/18/2006 12:10:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The CW garments that I have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. *** 1830's skirts will have a mere 3 1/2 yard hem sometimes. This looks right if in proportion with the top...huge sleeves and such. It depends on the scale and balance of the whole garment. When I make an 1860s gown, 3, 45" panels are usually plenty for a skirt. But then the hoop underneath has to be the right scale. [interestingly, sometimes an 1840s or 50s gown requires more to look right] Bustle gown regularly suffer from too full a drape or ruffle. There is something more realistic about skimpier ruffles sometimes. I've seen lots of garments [usually on stage] that are too full. It's balance and proportionof the WHOLE OUTFIT that can make the difference. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337
This has been my take on the subject too. Years ago when I first connected with the idea of historical costuming, I tended to use the yardages quoted in novels and inventories in trying to construct, say a mid nineteenth Century gown, which was often 10 yards. It wasn't until I had opportunity to view antique garments and to learn more about fabric production, that I finally put it together that with average widths of 26/28", that the garments in reconstruction would only be 5/6 yards of contemporary widths. This made a huge impression on my research and craft. The CW garments that I have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. With another yard and a half or two, depending on the sleeve style, one can easily do the project with 5 1/2 or six yards. The same principle applies for some other historical periods. Once the shaping became the'cut 'and not the 'fit'does one need to allow for more yardages...and expect to have a fair 'waste' pile. This idea tells us something about the availability of fabric in any width as well as something about the wealth of the wearer. I think the idea of 'skimpy' reflects perhaps some of the present aesthetic view that revels in the volume of the drape. Kathleen - Original Message - From: "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 > > > In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >> And, though the men's things look > >> pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > >> look > >> costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > >> everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me > >> looks > >> like skimpy yardages... > > > > I don't think I saw this original mesage -- ah well. > > Anyway, I find it interesting that somebody would think that the clothes > are make from "skimpy yardage." I don't know who made the original post > or what their experience is, but many of the gowns that I see at SCA > events (and I'm only picking on us) or in Dress Diaries on the web -- > to my eyes at least -- use way too *much* fabric. If you look at Juan > de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is > generally required for various types of gowns. I saw a mid-16th > century Italian Gown once (it *might* have been a Bronzino replication) > -- it was a *beautifully* done gown, but it looked like the wearer had > on Civil War Hoops underneath, the skirt was so full. > > Based on what I see -- particularly us as Americans in the SCA -- think > that all medieval/renaissance gowns need 10+ yards of fabric, and they > don't. > > just my $0.02 > Susan > - > Susan Farmer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Di...
In a message dated 4/18/2006 10:30:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you look at Juan de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is generally required for various types of gowns. * Well, you get Juan's idea of what yardages should be. And, accurate or not, if it's skimpy, it's skimpy. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337
In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, though the men's things look pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They look costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me looks like skimpy yardages... I don't think I saw this original mesage -- ah well. Anyway, I find it interesting that somebody would think that the clothes are make from "skimpy yardage." I don't know who made the original post or what their experience is, but many of the gowns that I see at SCA events (and I'm only picking on us) or in Dress Diaries on the web -- to my eyes at least -- use way too *much* fabric. If you look at Juan de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is generally required for various types of gowns. I saw a mid-16th century Italian Gown once (it *might* have been a Bronzino replication) -- it was a *beautifully* done gown, but it looked like the wearer had on Civil War Hoops underneath, the skirt was so full. Based on what I see -- particularly us as Americans in the SCA -- think that all medieval/renaissance gowns need 10+ yards of fabric, and they don't. just my $0.02 Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Bliaut
Here the picture of me while I am wearing it at the open air museum. And an other one with my friend. http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliautaf.jpg http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Benf.jpg Greetings, Deredere ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337
In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And, though the men's things look > pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > look > costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me > looks > like skimpy yardages... Although I agree that an awful lot of people who buy the book may not have need of the patterns (I myself don't), but I do know of quite a lot of people who have used the patterns to date, who don't have the ability to cut patterns from scratch using only paintings, etc (not everybody has that kind of 'spatial' (for want of a better word) awareness - for them it has been helpful. As to the above statement - this is harsh to say the least - not to mention fairly unfounded. Ninya Mikhaila is one of the best historical costumers in the UK, if not the world (and no, she's not a friend - I have never met her). And having seen several of the costumes 'in the flesh' I can attest that the fabric has not been skimped on (at least not in the outfits I've seen). They may be machine made (I didn't look closely enough to pull the seams apart), but I believe they are, like all of Ninya's clothing, hand finished (if this is incorrect, no doubt someone will put me right). Debbie. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume