Re: [h-cost] RE:hippie pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit

2007-04-01 Thread Chris Laning
My mom, who went to a fair number of professional conferences,  
thought pants suits were the greatest thing since permanent press,  
and wore them with enthusiasm.


She told me that at one conference (sometime in the late 70s I  
think), a couple of nice ladies took her aside and told her that  
really, you know, it wasn't the Done Thing to _always_ wear pants  
suits. After all, people might think she was a gasp! Lesbian.


Being happily married since 1943 and the mother of four, my mom  
thought this was hysterically funny!




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Re: [h-cost] RE:hippie pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit

2007-04-01 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Sunday 01 April 2007 5:38 pm, Chris Laning wrote:
 My mom, who went to a fair number of professional conferences,
 thought pants suits were the greatest thing since permanent press,
 and wore them with enthusiasm.

 She told me that at one conference (sometime in the late 70s I
 think), a couple of nice ladies took her aside and told her that
 really, you know, it wasn't the Done Thing to _always_ wear pants
 suits. After all, people might think she was a gasp! Lesbian.

[snip]

Sigh.  I believe it.  There still was a fair amount of prejudice against women 
in pants.   

However, by the late 1970s, really *old* women started wearing pants and pants 
suits routinely in significant numbers, doubtless for the same reason as your 
mom (comfort, right?).  I remember this because I thought it unusually 
progressive of them, until I considered the comfort factor.



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Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes

2007-04-01 Thread Chris Laning


On Mar 29, 2007, at 1:37 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote:

My students have been asking some really good questions.  These  
questions I only know the answers from personal experience.  I  
lived in Mississippi at the time and do not know if we were really  
far behind fashion or not.  If you answer these questions, please  
let me know your location and the app. year you remember these  
fashions were worn to public elementary through high school:


1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured
2. Girls' pants:  When were girls' allowed to wear pants to  
school.  Pants-suits, hiphuggers?

3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair
4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed


Newton, Massachusetts, mid to late 1960s --

1. I never saw anyone actually measuring skirts, but I know there was  
a rule. It may have been something like an inch or two above the knee.


2. Girls could not wear pants for any reason, any time. If it was  
freezing cold, they could wear pants under their skirts for the walk  
to school, but had to take them off when they got there. About the  
only allowed form of leg-covering was tights (which I always hated).


And of course, tights were frequently un-cool. My mom said she used  
to see groups of girls going by on their way to the local junior high  
school in the winters (snow on the streets, etc.) with short skirts  
and bare legs that were bright red from the cold. She said she always  
felt like rushing out and offering them blankets or something.


3. I never paid attention to the rules for boys, but I know some were  
wearing hair that was considered long in those days -- though it  
wouldn't be considered long now.


I was also much amused when midi skirts and granny dresses came  
into fashion, and one of my classmates got into trouble for wearing a  
skirt that was too LONG (a granny dress, in her case). How they  
rationalized that I have NO idea! I suppose it fell into the category  
of too distracting.


-

Interestingly, these are still battlegrounds in some places. The  
school I work for is a Catholic private school for girls, and they  
have always worn uniforms.


The current rule is that uniform skirts are supposed to be no more  
than 3 inches above the knee, but of course in a group of fashion  
conscious young women, who are also at the stage where they're  
growing like weeds, this is difficult to maintain. Students have been  
threatened with all sorts of dire punishments if they are caught  
rolling their waistbands to make their skirts shorter, but in  
general, enforcement is pretty slack, confined to announced days two  
or three times a year. Few of the faculty are interested in doing  
anything about it.


This may change next year, as the new principal-to-be is probably the  
faculty member who's cared the most about the dress code. There are  
rumors the rule may be changed to 2 inches above the knee rather than  
3, and I expect more enforcement.


Until this year, pants have only been allowed by special exemption to  
the few students we have whose families are Muslim (whose definition  
of modest dress includes having legs covered). This year, by radical  
innovation, students could wear pants during the winter, and some  
did; but they had to be the official uniform pants, which are on the  
expensive side. Requests by students for the option of wearing pants  
are frequent, but always blocked by faculty who feel they are  
unprofessional looking unless they are the tailored uniform pants.  
Our students don't feel this is fair, especially since the other  
Catholic high schools in town that include girls _do_ allow pants.  
(For the one that requires uniforms, they must be a particular color  
of Dockers.) The faculty who object claim that if pants were allowed,  
it would be too difficult to define which pants were OK and which  
were too tight, too low-slung, or too baggy and gang-like.


It will be interesting to see what happens :)


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