[h-cost] Expedited passports (OT)
Thanks to all of you who helped Rob find a reliable passport source. His is in the works. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 18th century German "hosen"
You should look for German Baroque artists. For a start; Johan Liss, early 1600s http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Johann_Liss The Bildindex seems to be having problems so wait a day and try them. De -Original Message- Greetings: I'm new to the list and really seeking resources on quite specific time periods and people. I am hoping somewhere out there someone will have some answers, as I haven't stumbled across anything in my travels. What I am looking for today is information on what the average rural German (and to be more specific, we can say Saxon or Silesian) may have worn in the 17th through approximately mid 18th century in terms of pants/trousers/breeches/hosen. We've been having a discussion here at my place of employ, which interprets a specific Pennsylvania German group, about trousers during this period, as at least initially the trousers were most likely the same for the immigrants in PA as they were for their kinsman in the homeland. My colleague seems to think they could not have worn breeches, as their English counterparts might have here in the colonies. To him it seems far too formal for a farmer to be wearing breeches, but frankly I don't know otherwise. We have no artifact record to turn to, unfortunately, except for that of a more formal nature. It has been long accepted that the costume of the local rural German speaking man in the late 18th century would have included breeches, but my colleague questions this, and I can see his point. Was there some sort of loose fitting pants with pockets the average working German Joe would have worn? We're not talking "peasant" but more of a small landowning farmer or craftsman. Not an impoverished type by any means. (please forgive my use of terminology with trousers/pants etc.) Thanks so much for your time and thoughts, Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center Pennsburg, PA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 18th century German "hosen"
I'm more familiar with the latter half of the 18th century, but as far as I know, breeches were standard for all European men. The ones for a working man might be made of coarser stuff and not nearly as fitted, but they were breeches none the less. I'm sure you've already considered it, but the best source I know for dress specific to Pennsylvania is "Rural Pennsylvania Clothing" by Ellen Gehret. Karen Seamstrix -- "Candace Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greetings: I'm new to the list and really seeking resources on quite specific time periods and people. I am hoping somewhere out there someone will have some answers, as I haven't stumbled across anything in my travels. What I am looking for today is information on what the average rural German (and to be more specific, we can say Saxon or Silesian) may have worn in the 17th through approximately mid 18th century in terms of pants/trousers/breeches/hosen. We've been having a discussion here at my place of employ, which interprets a specific Pennsylvania German group, about trousers during this period, as at least initially the trousers were most likely the same for the immigrants in PA as they were for their kinsman in the homeland. My colleague seems to think they could not have worn breeches, as their English counterparts might have here in the colonies. To him it seems far too formal for a farmer to be wearing breeches, but frankly I don't know otherwise. We have no artifact record to turn to, unfortunately, except for that of a more formal nature. It has been long accepted that the costume of the local rural German speaking man in the late 18th century would have included breeches, but my colleague questions this, and I can see his point. Was there some sort of loose fitting pants with pockets the average working German Joe would have worn? We're not talking "peasant" but more of a small landowning farmer or craftsman. Not an impoverished type by any means. (please forgive my use of terminology with trousers/pants etc.) Thanks so much for your time and thoughts, Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center Pennsburg, PA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
In a message dated 7/12/2007 3:23:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one >of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... Really? What period? ** Mid to late Chinese Drag Queen. Bram Stoker's Dracula ["They can't blame this mess on Bram Stoker!"] is one of those films I love to hate. The costumes, though individually beautiful, are the worst. Except for maybe "Amedeus". They're individually tasteless. ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition
- Original Message - From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh! I've got some lime green crushed stretch velvet and multicolour silver tinsel trim just WAITING for a project like this! Do it do it do it! I wish I could enter. I have several "vintage" (read: low-budget 70s & 80s) saris that should really be turned into something... Ok, so just because I can't enter, doesn't mean I can't make something! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition
Guidelines: -- The clothing should look as though it's from the medieval or renaissance period to the uneducated eye. -- You may use any fabric you wish, including rayon, polyester, stretch crushed velvet, gold lame, and the like. Oh! I've got some lime green crushed stretch velvet and multicolour silver tinsel trim just WAITING for a project like this! Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 18th century German "hosen"
Greetings: I'm new to the list and really seeking resources on quite specific time periods and people. I am hoping somewhere out there someone will have some answers, as I haven't stumbled across anything in my travels. What I am looking for today is information on what the average rural German (and to be more specific, we can say Saxon or Silesian) may have worn in the 17th through approximately mid 18th century in terms of pants/trousers/breeches/hosen. We've been having a discussion here at my place of employ, which interprets a specific Pennsylvania German group, about trousers during this period, as at least initially the trousers were most likely the same for the immigrants in PA as they were for their kinsman in the homeland. My colleague seems to think they could not have worn breeches, as their English counterparts might have here in the colonies. To him it seems far too formal for a farmer to be wearing breeches, but frankly I don't know otherwise. We have no artifact record to turn to, unfortunately, except for that of a more formal nature. It has been long accepted that the costume of the local rural German speaking man in the late 18th century would have included breeches, but my colleague questions this, and I can see his point. Was there some sort of loose fitting pants with pockets the average working German Joe would have worn? We're not talking "peasant" but more of a small landowning farmer or craftsman. Not an impoverished type by any means. (please forgive my use of terminology with trousers/pants etc.) Thanks so much for your time and thoughts, Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center Pennsburg, PA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition
ALUMINUM SWAN GARB COMPETITION Sometimes you feel like an authenticity nut, and well, sometimes you don't. In recognition of those times when you don't, the Pre-Raphaelite Garb Yahoo list is instituting the Aluminum Swan Award, to honor the best NON-authentic garb. Taking our inspiration from the romanticized Victorian Pre-Raphaelite depictions of medieval clothing--and from Victorian costume books in general--the Pre-Raph list relishes the clothing that you thought was historical, before you knew better. The Aluminum Swan Award will be won by the person who does the best job of depicting those youthful medieval fantasies. If you were costuming the Lord of the Rings movies, what would you make? If you were the Princess Bride, what would you wear to the wedding? When you picture a damsel in distress, what does her gown look like? Are Rapunzel's dresses as long as her tresses? What does a knight in shining armor wear when he's lounging around the castle? Guidelines: -- The clothing should look as though it's from the medieval or renaissance period to the uneducated eye. -- You may use any fabric you wish, including rayon, polyester, stretch crushed velvet, gold lame, and the like. -- You may use any modern construction techniques you want, including machine sewing, serging, iron-on interfacing, and so on. -- You may purchase parts or props for your outfit, but the majority must be made by you. -- You may use elements from pre-existing garments or outfits, but may not re-use a pre-existing outfit without significantly updating it specifically for this contest. -- Several people may collaborate to submit a group entry. Entries will be judged by myself, taking into account both popular acclaim and the following criteria: -- How medieval(oid) is the overall effect? -- Would you fit in well at a Victorian fancy dress party? -- Have you taken recognizeable elements from real medieval or renaissance clothing and rearranged them to suit your own taste and/or the tastes of modern (or Victorian) fashion? -- How complex is the outfit? -- How creative is the concept? Extra credit will be awarded to anyone who can prove they've worn their entry in public, especially at a medieval or renaissance-themed event. All participants will receive an origami swan made of aluminum foil, and the winner will receive an award token as well as their choice of Pre-Raphaelite poster from http://www.allposters.com/-st/The-Pre-Raphaelite-Brotherhood-Posters_c2112_.htm up to $35 including S&H (or a $35 gift certificate towards the purchase of a more expensive poster). If a group wins, each member will receive an award token, but only one gift certificate will be awarded. To enter, please send: -- pictures of your outfit -- a short write-up -- your contact info including your address -- written permission to display your images on the Pre-Raphaelite Garb list for judging as well as on a website displaying the contest participant and winner To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PreRaphaeliteGarb/ or directly to me, at formfunc (at) formfunction.org. Entries must be submitted by Oct 1, 2007. Winner will be announced Oct 15, 2007, or at my convenience. -E House, List Owner, Pre-Raphaelite Garb ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
Suzi Clarke wrote: At 01:45 12/07/2007, you wrote: On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the costume designer is on this movie? the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... Really? What period? I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair (yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
I think that historical accuracy is becoming less important in films, because a lot of minds in the film industry think accuracy has to go out the window in terms of the current aesthetic, budget, and the stars have to look good. It has always been so, but accurate as possible seems to equate with dull, academic, and very PBS. Compare the costumes in Elizabeth R with any Tudor-set film before or since. Not totally accurate, but reasonably close. Even Bette Davis when she played the aging QE1 in a film horrified the studio boses by shaving her head and insisting on being made-up to reflect E's age circa 1600. And sometimes the stars want to look good--you want more authentic--check out the extras in the background. Even in a "Man for All Seasons" has a 60's vibe--costumes seen in dull earth colors-(because it was generally thought back then only the very wealthy had bright rich colors and the somber mood of the film with the Mores as mostly noble and honest persons equalled "honest" earth colors) and everyone has that "healthy tan" makeup of the 60's for the natural look! Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Waddie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote >At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: >> >>The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and >>Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I >>caught it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes >>of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) >> >>The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy >>mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how >>they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it >>will be Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be >>able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two >>later before its debut. >> >>I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over >>costume pics for this film, accurate or not. > > >It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the >pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) > >Suzi > It's certainly an interesting mis-interpretation of that 15th century style of headdress. The doily in the middle makes her look like a butterfly cake! Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I caught it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi It's certainly an interesting mis-interpretation of that 15th century style of headdress. The doily in the middle makes her look like a butterfly cake! Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
At 01:45 12/07/2007, you wrote: On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the costume designer is on this movie? the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... Really? What period? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
