Re: [h-cost] 14th C. hairnets
How very, very cool, thank you. Is this one woven (for lack of a better word) braid with spangles at the intersections? 2nd half of the 14th C http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/hairnets/c49.jpg emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
Or owns an iron. We helped a friend when she needed 2 dance recital outfits altered for her young daughters. They were a mess. The straps were wy too long on both of them (the reason for altering), which we can understand. However, they were crossover spaghetti straps, 2 on each side. The two dresses - supposedly identical - had the straps on one hopelessly tangled when they were stitched down. She said that these were very expensive dresses (like $40 or $50 for each), and there was maybe 1/4 yard spandex and 1 yard of tulle in them. Go figure. And, of course, the tulle was all scrunched up from shipping. We told her she would have to press the skirts, and she looked at us like we were from Mars - she didn't own an iron. Sandy At 02:23 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote: In a message dated 2/10/2008 12:56:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then why do they insist on putting "dry clean only" on unlined, 100% linen pants? *** Because no one irons anymore. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 14th C. hairnets
Some friends asked me to upload these and I thought that some of you might be interested as well. Here are images of two hair nets 1st half of the 14th C. Note the 38 heraldic devices on this one. http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/hairnets/c48.jpg 2nd half of the 14th C http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/hairnets/c49.jpg Enjoy! Beth Matney ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
In a message dated 2/10/2008 12:56:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then why do they insist on putting "dry clean only" on unlined, 100% linen pants? *** Because no one irons anymore. **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
If you think your fabric might stretch, you can lay it flat on a "clothes-line-stand" (I don´t know what Fluegelwaeschetrockner is in English - it´s a frame thing with wires between) with a towel underneath so that it cannot sag and stretch between the wires. There are also frames with net available in some stores, for drying knit sweaters. At 13:19 10.02.2008, you wrote: Hannah, thanks for this "new" idea. I'd heard of laying wool garments in the snow to freshen and clean, but not rain. How do you keep the garment from stretching when it gets heavy with water? Curiously, Linda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann However, as you mentioned allergy-skin, you might try just hanging the dress out in a rainy night and drip dry. The rain will wash out most odors and dust, and probably a good deal of the chemicals in the material as well. This is a good trick for wool clothing that needs to be refreshed but can´t stand frequent washing. And there´s not cycle in the rain, besides perhaps a little wind. Hope this helps, Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
Well, I guess I have the right approach then. I hate the sizing they put on linen because I think it makes it look terrible (as soon as you move it wrinkles, and there's no way to take the wrinkles out after that). When you wash it the sizing goes out, the fabric is softer, and the wrinkles are much less apparent and much more natural. You do have to iron it with a water bottle though, or it doesn't look as good. And I think it's a good thing those garments shrink :-) Stores where I normally wear a size 2, for example, when they have linen garments the size 0 is still to big for me. I still haven't figured out why they always cut the linen things so *** big! :-) Actually, I wasn't thinking so much as today's blue jeans (they all have spandex or one of those stretchy materials nowadays, so they never shrink and you have to remember to buy them too small or they fall off when you wear them), but the ones I was wearing about 10 years ago, before stretchy became the way to go. I remember having a pair hemmed after washing once, and needing to redo the hem because it shrank again after the second washing. But that's also true of linen. I now wash my fabric (not the already made garments) on hot twice before I use it won't get caught twice at the double-shrinking thing! - Original Message - From: "monica spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question Linen shrinks an enormous amount. Especially if it is not pre-washed. Most linen used in Mfg. is not prewashed/preshrunk because the finish will come off and it will look terrible. The linen garment is also usually tailored differently than denim. The fibers of linen react much dirrerent than cotton to water. Lots of denim today is preshrunk and "distressed", so a lot of the shrink factor is gone by the time it is cut and sewn. Monica ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
Linen shrinks an enormous amount. Especially if it is not pre-washed. Most linen used in Mfg. is not prewashed/preshrunk because the finish will come off and it will look terrible. The linen garment is also usually tailored differently than denim. The fibers of linen react much dirrerent than cotton to water. Lots of denim today is preshrunk and "distressed", so a lot of the shrink factor is gone by the time it is cut and sewn. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question > Mfgs no > longer have the luxury of putting the "Dry clean only" tag on a garment > because it is convenient or safe. Then why do they insist on putting "dry clean only" on unlined, 100% linen pants? Lined I'd understand, because if they shrink then the lining will be too big, but unlined?? 100% cotton jeans shrink and they don't put a "dry clean" tag on them, why would they do it for linen if it's because of the shrinkage? Becase people don't know how to iron them after they've been washed? It's certainly not because of the dye (the two pairs of pants in question were white and natural-coloured)... then why? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
Mfgs no longer have the luxury of putting the "Dry clean only" tag on a garment because it is convenient or safe. Then why do they insist on putting "dry clean only" on unlined, 100% linen pants? Lined I'd understand, because if they shrink then the lining will be too big, but unlined?? 100% cotton jeans shrink and they don't put a "dry clean" tag on them, why would they do it for linen if it's because of the shrinkage? Becase people don't know how to iron them after they've been washed? It's certainly not because of the dye (the two pairs of pants in question were white and natural-coloured)... then why? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
IMO, you'd probably be okay in a wash bag in cold water and short cycle, but I wouldn't risk it directly in the machine. Rayon gets much more fragile when it's wet and can shrink. Watch out for those colours, sometimes they run badly on "dry-clean-only" items, especially the cheaper ones. You can usually find out how bad it is by rubbing a damp light-coloured towel on the inside of a hem - if your towel turns the colour of the fabric... well you get the idea :-) I chuck most everything in the machine, even when it says dry clean only, except when it's something structured, lined and/or interfaced like a suit or a coat (even then, most modern sports coats can't be dry cleaned, you have to wash them in a front-loader). But I do put the fragile items in a wash bag and wash in cold water on a short, delicate cycle. - Original Message - From: "Cozit / Liz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question I'm one of those folks who often washes things by hand that tell you to dry clean - when they're 100% polyester, linen, and usually rayon and silk (depends on how daring I feel with that one, as it varies a lot). I just bought a "nice dress" that is 75% rayon, 25% polyester. It says "dry clean only, short cycle" but also says "light steam, light press". I'm guessing that I could probably get away with washing this also (hey, I've got "allergy skin" - the fewer chemicals up against it the better)... but wanted to ask this group if anyone's tried washing that combination with decent results before... as I'm feeling nervous about the combo. My *guess* is that the polyester is mostly in the design of the fabric, not in the general weave... it's jacquard-ish "leaf " patterned slightly shinier than the matte black of the rest of the material. Anyone out there able to say either "probably ok" or "definitely don't"? It was under $100, but more than I'd really like to throw out by totally messing it up before wearing. Fingers crossed! -Liz (hey, I never run into this when doing costuming - I wash the heck of the material before I sew it - but no time to manage to make something before I need it in March) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
Hannah, thanks for this "new" idea. I'd heard of laying wool garments in the snow to freshen and clean, but not rain. How do you keep the garment from stretching when it gets heavy with water? Curiously, Linda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann However, as you mentioned allergy-skin, you might try just hanging the dress out in a rainy night and drip dry. The rain will wash out most odors and dust, and probably a good deal of the chemicals in the material as well. This is a good trick for wool clothing that needs to be refreshed but can´t stand frequent washing. And there´s not cycle in the rain, besides perhaps a little wind. Hope this helps, Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
