Re: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing collar
At 03:41 19/03/2008, you wrote: Hello, all - I'm making a fantasy QE1 costume, but trying to make the silhouette, at least, relatively accurate to period (I started with Margo's pattern...). (It will also have wings, but that's part of the fantasy g). I want a large standing collar rather than a ruff, similar to the picture here: http://www.hbo.com/films/elizabeth/img/castandcrew/506x316_helen.jpg Or: http://tinyurl.com/2yduje The problem is, I have no idea how to make one, or how it attaches to the costume. Can someone please point me to a book or website that might give me some clues? I need to finish this by tax day (Apr. 15 for non-U.S. members) and the rest of the dress is giving me fits also. You could try googling for Supportasse, or you could look in Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800 by Jean Hunnisett, where you will find instructions for the one worn by Glenda Jackson in Elizabeth R.. Or you could try The Tudor Tailor by Ninya Mikhaila and Jane something-Davies (?) ( - sorry - not enough cups of tea!) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing collar
Hi, I hope this will help http://www.farthingales.on.ca/elizabethan_wired_ruff.html Deredere Pierre Sandy Pettinger wrote: Hello, all - I'm making a fantasy QE1 costume, but trying to make the silhouette, at least, relatively accurate to period (I started with Margo's pattern...). (It will also have wings, but that's part of the fantasy g). I want a large standing collar rather than a ruff, similar to the picture here: http://www.hbo.com/films/elizabeth/img/castandcrew/506x316_helen.jpg Or: http://tinyurl.com/2yduje The problem is, I have no idea how to make one, or how it attaches to the costume. Can someone please point me to a book or website that might give me some clues? I need to finish this by tax day (Apr. 15 for non-U.S. members) and the rest of the dress is giving me fits also. Many thanks in advance. Sandy Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing collar
A lot of it depends on the style of dress. I made one for the Suitable Gown for Her Majesty presentation that worked great. It just slide into the front of the rolls created by the outer gown lapels. I will look for a picture and post it. My websites are just fubar right now and probably will be for awhile. Can you show us a picture of the dress you are making? Sg P.S. I am assuming also that you realize there are two collars/ruffs there right? Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:32:47 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing collar CC: At 03:41 19/03/2008, you wrote: Hello, all - I'm making a fantasy QE1 costume, but trying to make the silhouette, at least, relatively accurate to period (I started with Margo's pattern...). (It will also have wings, but that's part of the fantasy g). I want a large standing collar rather than a ruff, similar to the picture here: http://www.hbo.com/films/elizabeth/img/castandcrew/506x316_helen.jpg Or: http://tinyurl.com/2yduje The problem is, I have no idea how to make one, or how it attaches to the costume. Can someone please point me to a book or website that might give me some clues? I need to finish this by tax day (Apr. 15 for non-U.S. members) and the rest of the dress is giving me fits also. You could try googling for Supportasse, or you could look in Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800 by Jean Hunnisett, where you will find instructions for the one worn by Glenda Jackson in Elizabeth R.. Or you could try The Tudor Tailor by Ninya Mikhaila and Jane something-Davies (?) ( - sorry - not enough cups of tea!) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?
I was browsing through my Pyramid Collection Catalog and came across this skirt and thought it was a great idea. I think I had seen a variation on this a few months ago in Brugges, Belgium (a woman riding a bicycle), but this is the first time I've seen it in a catalogue. http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. Great idea for keeping your skirts out of the dirt! I know I plan on using it for my less than historically accurate stuff with the SCA. Sg As one of my favorite historians said: If you thought of it, they probably did too.___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?
In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. You will come across a similar idea in the 1860's and the idea remains the same--a method of raising the skirts high enough to stay out of mud, puddles, etc. Occassionally you see it in fashion plates as a trendy thing to do over an elaborate underskirt, but more often than not it was an issue of practicality. To do it, one had the option of purchasing one of the patent Dress Elevators in the magazines, sewing tapes inside your skirt, or simply using pins. ~Joseph **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] danish renaissance costumes.
Dear all, I feel terrible because i have not answering all your wonderfull suggestions and comments on my coming projekt. I am burried in work right now, and i have saved all your replyes for me in a folder, so that i dont miss anything. I wil probably have some more questions later when i start the projekt. One thing is sure though, i reall have to travel over to the manor to have a close look at the portraits, to se if i can find more details, and ill take my camera with me. Its frustrating when you have something on order and working with it, then have another important order and you dont have the time to make research. I must do this later. If anybody wonder what i am doing right now, i can tell you that i meet a guy in Canada on Livejournal, who collects big asian ball jointed dolls 60 cm high. He asked me to make Marie Antoinette clothes for his dolls, and as i didnt have any dolls to meassure from, he suggested we made a swap, he sended me a doll, and i am going to make a dress for one of his dolls. I started it, and its quite fun. Really it takes much longer time than i figured it would, but its also because i am so critical in details. I am going to make the dress from Moreau Le Jeunnes print Les Adieaux. So far i have made a fully boned corset and a pannier for it, right now i am embroidering the pannels for the dress. See more here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm Also i finnished Guy d'Ancours waistcoat: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/guy_d.htm And i am also making a 1740 corset laced center front. Two buisy! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Robin's armor question
Hi, Robin: You may want to ask Stephen of Forth Castle at www.forth-armoury.com. He has done research outside the usual SCA sphere of things. If he doesn't know he also may be able to point you to someone else who may have documentation. I loved your lectures in St. Louis last year. I am trying to find more Victorian horror-photos of period costumes for you. I wish I had something else to offer. thanks, Debra ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard bolts in different fabric weights!
Just click on the link ( I snipped the original email to make it easier to find). You can go to Fabric.com and subscribe to their email announcements to get them directly. At 01:11 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote: I'm interested. How much is it by the yard or by the bolt? I need one bolt of the light weight linen. Costumes to make for upcoming events. i loved the linen chemise I made last year. Light and kept me cooler than I thought. PLEASE let us know how to get in on this deal!!!Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine[snip]Hey, with this discount - you can even have linen as your wall paper. These utmost necessary fabrics, in the basic weights necessary to complete most projects - will be on sale only for this week until Sunday March 23. http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=C4tymm=1dKkRdW0h7kVyHb=9_Nk qVWZBPc26J6N_5kh0AEnter here to go directly to the discounted bolts and save 10%! Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes.
Saragrace Knauf wrote: Aren't they the coolest! Wish I could afford one. Cool dress and waistcoat. The look like they would be fun to make costumes for. I don't have one myself, but I know there are some lower-priced models out there, in the $100 or under range. I'd probably spend more than that on fabrics for it Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard bolts in different fabric wei...
Actually, it's Fabrics-store.com. I'm on their list, too. Just ordered my first fabric from them in January. They also will send swatches (for free!). Catherine In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:36:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just click on the link ( I snipped the original email to make it easier to find). You can go to Fabric.com and subscribe to their email announcements to get them directly. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Anyone seen this in history before?
I was browsing through my Pyramid Collection Catalog and came across this skirt and thought it was a great idea. I think I had seen a variation on this a few months ago in Brugges, Belgium (a woman riding a bicycle), but this is the first time I've seen it in a catalogue. http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+SHas anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in.Great idea for keeping your skirts out of the dirt! I know I plan on using it for my less than historically accurate stuff with the SCA.Sg Mid-19th century: to raise the skirt slightly to show a fancy overpetticoat or to provide ease in walking or sports such as croquet. Regards, Kelly _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: need advice on making a standing collar
Suzi said: You could try googling for Supportasse, ... ...or, in Dutch, portefraise. There are two extant wire frames in museum collections; I've written about them on this list previously. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?
From the back it reminds me of a Robe a la Polinaise C. 1700s. Or a Roman shade. :-) Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. You will come across a similar idea in the 1860's and the idea remains the same--a method of raising the skirts high enough to stay out of mud, puddles, etc. Occassionally you see it in fashion plates as a trendy thing to do over an elaborate underskirt, but more often than not it was an issue of practicality. To do it, one had the option of purchasing one of the patent Dress Elevators in the magazines, sewing tapes inside your skirt, or simply using pins. ~Joseph **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 00301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: corset supplies manufacturers
Many, many thanks! I'd say Wissner looks like the company everyone buys goods from...just a shame they don't sell less than 200 meters, but well, I could perhaps handle that somehow:-) As someone was interested in the Luettges company's prices, here is what they wrote to me, with some necessary translations, I hope you'll see them in red: DESIRA-Metall-Federn, endlos /MeterFlat steel 6x0,6mm Art.-Nr. 2600 005 0,7425 8x0,4mm Art.-Nr. 2150 005 0,6263 11x0,5mm Art.-Nr. 2250 005 0,8303 Mindestbestellmenge: 1 Ring = 25m je Abmessung. Minimal amount 25m Spiralfedern, endlos 7x0,75mm Art.-Nr. 3320 000 1,56 /m Spiral steel Mindestbestellmenge: 1 Ring = ca. 40-60 Meter Lauflänge. Minimal amount 40-60m 7mm Metallkappen Art. 7004 0002,916 /100 Stück Metal caps, min.100pcs, 2,916 /100pcs Mindestabnahmemenge: 100 Stück. Am Meisten verkaufen wir für Reifröcke unsere DESIRA-Metall-Federn 6x0,60mm. For hoopskirts the size 6x0,60mm of flat steels is best. Sollten Sie breiteres Material benötigten, so können wir die Abmessung 11x0,50mm empfehlen. if wider bone necessary, 11x0,50mm is good. Unsere Konditionen lauten wie folgt: Lieferzeit: ca. 1 Woche nach Zahlungseingang. Zahlung: Vorauskasse Lieferung: ab Werk, zuzüglich Verpackung. Mindestbestellwert: 77,00 Euro Nettowarenwert. minimal Total Person to contact: Engels - Sabine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minimal amount of pre-cut flat steels is 100pcs. Hope it's useful, Zuzana - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Baltimore Area Costume Event
Dear List Members: Those of you in the Mid-Atlantic region of the US may be interested in this event. Ann Wass A DAY AT MOUNT CLARE MUSEUM HOUSE Carroll Park, 1500 Washington Blvd., Baltimore MD 21230 Saturday, April 19 10:00 am - 3:30 pm Spend the morning viewing the exhibit in the museum house: It’s In the Details: Quality in Fashion-Clothing from the Carrolls to the Dames (1760-1917) Then adjourn to the carriage house for a box lunch and an afternoon of illustrated talks and workshops: Colleen Callahan, Costume and Textile Specialists Bustles, Bloomers Naked Elbows: Women’s Fads Fashions in the 19th Century Carolann Schmitt, Genteel Arts Academy hands-on workshop teaching cartridge pleating, fringe, and bows (materials provided) Ann Wass, Riversdale House Museum “'Fresh Assortment of Fine Goods':Shopping in Federal Baltimore Cost of the program, includes admission to the museum, lunch workshop kit: $30 members of CSA, the National Society of the Colonial Dames of America, or Friends of Mount Clare, $25 for student members of CSA, $35 for non-members For more information call 410-837-3262 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To register, make check or money payable to CSA Mid-Atlantic Region and MAIL TO: Debbie Farthing, 8210 Deerbrooke Ct., Pasadena MD 21122; must be received by April 16. Please indicate any dietary restrictions with your registration. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes.
On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Dawn wrote: Saragrace Knauf wrote: Aren't they the coolest! Wish I could afford one. Cool dress and waistcoat. The look like they would be fun to make costumes for. I don't have one myself, but I know there are some lower-priced models out there, in the $100 or under range. I'd probably spend more than that on fabrics for it obligatory_pimping If you're coming to Costume-Con 26 http://www.cc26.info, we've got some very knowledgeable ball-joint doll (sometimes referred to as resin dolls) folks attending, and there's going to be a ball-joint doll reception in our doll exhibit. /obligatory_pimping Japanese ball-joint dolls (exemplified by the Volks Dollfie lines) are usually very expensive. There are Japanese brands like Obitsu that are more reasonably priced. There are several Korean manufacturers who make dolls that are as well- crafted as the Japanese dolls, and while their design sense is sometimes different, they're often very beautiful too. They're also a lot cheaper. A warning, though: These dolls can be habit-forming. I don't think it's unintentional that one of the largest US retailers of BJDs is named Junky Spot. http://www.junkyspot.com/ andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes.
If anybody wonder what i am doing right now, i can tell you that i meet a guy in Canada on Livejournal, who collects big asian ball jointed dolls 60 cm high. He asked me to make Marie Antoinette clothes for his dolls, and as i didnt have any dolls to meassure from, he suggested we made a swap, he sended me a doll, and i am going to make a dress for one of his dolls. I started it, and its quite fun. Really it takes much longer time than i figured it would, but its also because i am so critical in details. I am going to make the dress from Moreau Le Jeunnes print Les Adieaux. So far i have made a fully boned corset and a pannier for it, right now i am embroidering the pannels for the dress. See more here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm - As always, your work is beautiful! I think the Canadian guy is getting the better end of the deal :-) The dress is beautiful and I love looking at your embroidery. The doll, however, is kinda creepy. I'm sure it will be gorgeous when it is completely dressed and has a wig. Denise B ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Ball jointed dolls was:[h-cost] danish renaissance costumes.
Welcome to the club! Do you know that they can be awfully addictive? A friend of mine who also has ball jointed dolls send me a website from that friend of yours. I told her that I knew you from this list. I am still working on a 19th century dress and tomorrow I will order her wig with ringlets. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html My darkelf is from dollzone en my girl is from Luts http://www.eluts.com/ She is a senior delf and she is slightly more mature than other models. She poses beautifully. They are wonderfull to take pictures from. Oh i forgot Losboll it is a flooting head not sure if it is he or she. I experiment on it to get better on face painting. http://85.17.225.57/20251-20255/202519501-202519600/202519562_6_Guec.jpeg Her you can probably vieuw some more pictures of them. http://deredere.hyves.nl/ I love them With the ones I have I can change wigs, eyes and eyelashes even the face paint if I really want. Yea totally addictive :-) Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: Dear all, I feel terrible because i have not answering all your wonderfull suggestions and comments on my coming projekt. I am burried in work right now, and i have saved all your replyes for me in a folder, so that i dont miss anything. I wil probably have some more questions later when i start the projekt. One thing is sure though, i reall have to travel over to the manor to have a close look at the portraits, to se if i can find more details, and ill take my camera with me. Its frustrating when you have something on order and working with it, then have another important order and you dont have the time to make research. I must do this later. If anybody wonder what i am doing right now, i can tell you that i meet a guy in Canada on Livejournal, who collects big asian ball jointed dolls 60 cm high. He asked me to make Marie Antoinette clothes for his dolls, and as i didnt have any dolls to meassure from, he suggested we made a swap, he sended me a doll, and i am going to make a dress for one of his dolls. I started it, and its quite fun. Really it takes much longer time than i figured it would, but its also because i am so critical in details. I am going to make the dress from Moreau Le Jeunnes print Les Adieaux. So far i have made a fully boned corset and a pannier for it, right now i am embroidering the pannels for the dress. See more here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm Also i finnished Guy d'Ancours waistcoat: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/guy_d.htm And i am also making a 1740 corset laced center front. Two buisy! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?
On Wednesday 19 March 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. You will come across a similar idea in the 1860's and the idea remains the same--a method of raising the skirts high enough to stay out of mud, puddles, etc. Occassionally you see it in fashion plates as a trendy thing to do over an elaborate underskirt, but more often than not it was an issue of practicality. To do it, one had the option of purchasing one of the patent Dress Elevators in the magazines, sewing tapes inside your skirt, or simply using pins. I'd add that, so far, all of the comments relate to the interestingly poofy style of the skirt. 1860s bodices were very different than the top of this dress, and the combination of the two (the plain, scoop-necked bodice with no front seams and the flounced skirt) strikes me as modern. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] You affect the world by what you browse.-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?
From the back? Are you possible mistaking the pulled up skirt version as the back of the outfit? -Original Message- From the back it reminds me of a Robe a la Polinaise C. 1700s. Or a Roman shade. :-) Monica -Original Message- In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?
This is similar to one method of making the Polonaise, in the 18th century: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/orie/ho_1976.146a,b_1970.87.htm Jean Saragrace Knauf wrote: I was browsing through my Pyramid Collection Catalog and came across this skirt and thought it was a great idea. I think I had seen a variation on this a few months ago in Brugges, Belgium (a woman riding a bicycle), but this is the first time I've seen it in a catalogue. http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. Great idea for keeping your skirts out of the dirt! I know I plan on using it for my less than historically accurate stuff with the SCA. Sg As one of my favorite historians said: If you thought of it, they probably did too.___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Partlets
It must be obvious when I'm working on a paper, because that's when I start peppering the list with questions (rather than writing long treatises to answer other people!). As usual, this is about something that's rather removed from my own area -- so I don't know much about it. In my paper (which relates to an aspect of late 14th c. English middle-class dress), I'm making a passing reference to partlets, specifically to say that they don't show up till well past the period I'm focusing on. However, I'd like to be able to say something a little more concrete, specifically how much later it is that partlets do show up, and in what places. It's obvious that partlets in a variety of styles are all over the place in the late 16th century, but I'm having a harder time nailing down when they first appear. (It doesn't help that my reference library is very spotty after the late 1400s.) Along with getting dates for first appearances, I'm especially interested in finding clear images of partlets worn outside the dress (tied under the arms). White is best, but I'd be happy to find others as well. I particularly need examples that have collars, as I'm comparing collar styles among different garments over time. So far the earliest partlets I've located for England are some suggestions in Holbein's drawings, around the 1530s, but these are very sketchy (literally) so I'm not sure of them, and I can't use the images because they're not clear enough. So I still need a good early start date and/or example from England. I found a picture of a woman with a white partlet, worn on the outside and tied under the arms, in Flanders, 1563 (specifically in a painting by Beuckelaer reproduced in Drea's book on Flemish workingwomen's clothing). I don't know how much earlier they show up. For France, I found a fancy beaded partlet of something transparent, worn over a dress, also from 1563, in a portrait of Claude de Beaune from the studio of Francois Clouet, now at the Louvre (Fig. 328 in Payne). That also feels rather late. I have nothing on the early side for Italy, Germany, or Spain; my library is too slim for these regions. Can anyone point me toward an earlier appearance for any of these countries, and/or toward images of the partlets worn with the ties visible? To underscore my need here: This is a passing reference in a paper on another topic, and I just want to be sure I get the right ballpark for first appearances. This is NOT a paper on partlets, and I'm not interested in doing extensive research on partlets. (Not this time.) Thus my hope that someone else who has already been down this road will be able to toss me a date or an image! Thanks, Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Partlets
Are you treating the transparent kerchiefs at the neck of the circa-1400 era as something not-a-partlet-ancestor? -- cv ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Partlets
Cynthia Virtue wrote: Are you treating the transparent kerchiefs at the neck of the circa-1400 era as something not-a-partlet-ancestor? They're not relevant in this case. My concern is actually collars in the late 14th c. (actually I'm analyzing a particular narrative passage that mentions a collar, so I'm talking about what the collar might have looked like). In discussing possibilities, I mention partlets as collars made as separate garments, as opposed to the types of collars that are attached to, or part of, a garment. It's not the main point of my paper, but I need to be able to acknowledge that such a thing does show up at some point past the period I'm focusing on. The scarves that go over the shoulders might well be ancestors to the partlet, but they don't have collars, so mercifully I don't have to talk about them. If I were focusing on partlet development, I would. All this just so I can say the equivalent of and a while later you see this thing called a partlet ... But vagueness is so unprofessional. --Robin -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Maria Teresa
Questions re my ongoing project of H-costume in minature: I have a quest to interpret Maria Teresa coronation gown;.Time: 1740 Books before me: Imperial Style: fashions of the Hapsburg era, #91 Is this gown a velvet 'robe Anglaise' with mantua of silk or is the silk piece a shawl/wrap? or (2) a gown of two pieces with stomacher and 'coat' or shawl What is the color scheme? (My resource is in black and white) I have found the sleeve in Art of Costume in Russia, plate referance #13 For any one who might have this portrait in color...painted by/ or of the studio of Marten von Meytens. Thanks Kathleen (Who hasn't told Queen Maud that she has another commission!) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Maria Teresa
This portrait? http://tinyurl.com/39vwbp or http://www.brukenthalmuseum.ro/de/ev_barocke_sammellust/39.php http://tinyurl.com/2wjr2t http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_van_Meytens_001.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Queen_Maria_Theresia.jpg -Original Message- Questions re my ongoing project of H-costume in minature: I have a quest to interpret Maria Teresa coronation gown;.Time: 1740 Books before me: Imperial Style: fashions of the Hapsburg era, #91 Is this gown a velvet 'robe Anglaise' with mantua of silk or is the silk piece a shawl/wrap? or (2) a gown of two pieces with stomacher and 'coat' or shawl What is the color scheme? (My resource is in black and white) I have found the sleeve in Art of Costume in Russia, plate referance #13 For any one who might have this portrait in color...painted by/ or of the studio of Marten von Meytens. Thanks Kathleen (Who hasn't told Queen Maud that she has another commission!) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: need advice on making a standing collar
No, not really - two? I don't / didn't see that. Sandy Thanks to all for your suggestions - researching now! At 10:05 AM 3/19/2008, you wrote: A lot of it depends on the style of dress. I made one for the Suitable Gown for Her Majesty presentation that worked great. It just slide into the front of the rolls created by the outer gown lapels. I will look for a picture and post it. My websites are just fubar right now and probably will be for awhile. Can you show us a picture of the dress you are making? Sg P.S. I am assuming also that you realize there are two collars/ruffs there right? Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Painting ID?
Yes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it? http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg Robin Netherton wrote: I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it appears in? The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for anyone. --Robin half brain-dead ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID?
On Thursday 20 March 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: Yes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it? http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg Robin Netherton wrote: I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it appears in? The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for anyone. I found it attributed as follows on Jen Thompson's site: Agnolo Bronzino: A Daughter of Matteo Sofferoni, 1530-1532 The Royal Collection, Her Majesty the Queen, Elizabeth II Sorry I don't know what book/s you can find it in, but knowing that it's from the Queen's collection might help you find one. Good luck. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] You affect the world by what you browse.-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID?
Agnolo Bronzino, c1528 -32, Royal Collection, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/microsites/theartofitaly/object.asp?row=13exhibs=CITAFLOROitem=14 Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net - Original Message From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historic Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2008 2:45:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? Yes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it? http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg Robin Netherton wrote: I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it appears in? The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for anyone. --Robin half brain-dead ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID?
I love that one! It's a Bronzino, and I think it's at Hampton Court - if I remember right Hope that helps a bit. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:16 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? Yes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it? http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg Robin Netherton wrote: I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it appears in? The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for anyone. --Robin half brain-dead ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID?
Many thanks to Catherine and Bella! I figured this would look familiar to someone who works in that period. It would have taken me forever... --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Painting ID?
Portrait of a lady in green, c.1528-32 c.1528-32 Agnolo Bronzino Acquired by Charles I http://tinyurl.com/3xfphj Message: 14 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:15:35 -0500 From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? To: Historic Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it? http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg Robin Netherton wrote: I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it appears in? The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for anyone. --Robin half brain-dead - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
