Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood
Becky Rautine wrote: Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2 necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't think of what it's called right now. Isn't this the IHS monogram which we discussed a couple of months ago? It was stated that this symbol (representing the name of Jesus) was worn in Protestant countries at this time because a crucifix was considered too Catholic. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian, University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood
Belt part--- Do you mean girdle? Long necklace-like belt that goes around waist and hangs down center front? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood Becky Rautine wrote: Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2 necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't think of what it's called right now. Isn't this the IHS monogram which we discussed a couple of months ago? It was stated that this symbol (representing the name of Jesus) was worn in Protestant countries at this time because a crucifix was considered too Catholic. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian, University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with it all. I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: Doublet, for myself or my husband Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) Coif/caul flatlining for pickadills (linen only) I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. Curious what others do, Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. How do you define small'? I need about half a yard to line the body of a dress or a ren-fest bodice. Smaller than that and it goes in a box which I push off on someone else for crafting, doll clothes, or simply throw away. Mostly it gets used as a cat bed. :) Anything larger than half a yard has usually been purchased with a specific project in mind and there is enough for the jerkin, doublet or skirt in the piece. I started labeling the yardage so I can tell at a glance what I've got. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
I use small pieces of strong brocades and damasks for corsets and vests. I love brocaded corsets no matter what era they are for, and no I am not going to get all agitated about whether coutil is more authentic for some eras. I'm not displaying my corsets in public anyway. Odd bits of lace, silk, velvet, and junk jewelry are very useful for trimming hats. I use cotton lace appliques and bits, and leftovers of fabric, to patch antique clothes, replace waistbands, etc. I use leftover pieces of cottons to make fitting muslins. I don't care if they are all the same material, as long as they are all the same weight and there is enough to cut one garment section. However, a few years ago I found that, over a period of many years, I had accumulated a bunch of tiny upholstery fabric samples and fabric leftovers that I just could not find any way to use. I packed them into a couple of big boxes and gave them to an acquaintance who quilts. She said she could use the cottons for patchwork quilts and the brocades, velvets, etc. for crazy quilts. The next time I saw her, she was hand-sewing together some of my cotton bits into a quilt block. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] paper doll book with turn-of-the-century outfits
From my local news: Kansas City Museum will sell paper doll book with turn-of-the-century outfits A paper doll book inspired by equestrienne Loula Long Combs has been created exclusively for the Kansas City Museum and is available at its visitor shop. The $15.95 book by illustrator and doll historian Johana Gast Anderton features hats and outfits based on historic clothing and period photographs. Anderton also has donated to the museum a real 24-inch doll that Combs commissioned in her own likeness while in Europe in 1908. Anderton will be on hand to sign copies of the paper doll book from noon to 4 p.m. Aug. 3 at the museum, 3218 Gladstone Boulevard. | Matt Campbell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/716482.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
Piecework Mongolian - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:05:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with it all. I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: Doublet, for myself or my husband Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) Coif/caul flatlining for pickadills (linen only) I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. Curious what others do, Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
I unloaded tons of short ends and substantial scraps by freecycling. Someone picked them up whose daughter was in a Costume program at college, so they got used or passed on successfully, but got out of my house. I don't have the room for storage that some people do, so I can't keep every piece that I can say *but I can still use this!* about. I'll never ever make everything I could. I'll never even make all those handkerchiefs and placemats I've sworn I could make with this or that. And quilting is just not me. Of course, once I had reclaimed all that space, I had plenty of space for new fabric. It's a terrible circle. :() MaggiRos On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with it all. I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: Doublet, for myself or my husband Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) Coif/caul flatlining for pickadills (linen only) I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html and your favorite bookseller ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
Oh, this is too much fun! I make pouches for small bits of sewing gear out of pieces as small as 2 x 4. Also, pincushions and needlebooks -- wool is very kind to the steel, so I stuff with wool or use wool felt if I don't have scrap flannel for the pages. I've started lining and fitting boxes with pretty velvet and brocade scraps, and then once they're fitted out, of course THEY need a little drawstring bag to protect them. Er, I also make drawstring bags for my modern stuff, like the GPS and the iPod. Helps to disguise them if they should stray into a re-enacting event, too. Bigger pieces make lovely drawstring workbags. It is great to have multiple workbags, so I can have one for each unfinished project. Fancier pouches are nice, too, and a nice way to show off really lovely scraps. Hats. Doll clothes. I am planning to make mitts from an old silk half-slip and from some linen off-cuts. This requires enough fabric to cut the mitts on the bias, and these mitts are 18th C (I don't know if they were worn in other periods.) Pieced, sewn hose. Gussets. Aprons. At least in 18th C there's a rumor of wool aprons, which would indeed be great for hearth-cooking. A number of my linen aprons are pieced from off-cuts. Since I do 18th C, anything a yard square or bigger can be hemmed for a neck-handkerchief. A lot of my linen scraps end up being employed as bands and ties and things to try to restrain my hair under caps and wigs (it's growing out but still needs some help.) I keep meaning to make some coifs for this purpose; I wear a nice big linen headrail when I'm medieval, but it's nice to have something tied down underneath to pin it to. Napkins, cozies, towels, coasters, hot-grabbers (period and otherwise.) Did I mention drawstring bags? I make scraps in drawstring bags for tableware, too. Basket-covers. Nearly every woman I know who does any kind of historical playing uses a basket to stand in for a handbag; at minimum it's nice to have a piece of fabric to throw over the contents. I keep meaning to make some bags fitted to the interior of the basket so I can easily shift contents. OK. Back to work... Lauren -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with it all. I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: Doublet, for myself or my husband Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) Coif/caul flatlining for pickadills (linen only) I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. Curious what others do, Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
I unloaded tons of short ends and substantial scraps by freecycling. You can also cut them in strips (or a very long spiral) and knit or crochet with them. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
Well, depending on what it is and how big it is-- charcloth trim pieced hose pouches pin holders (I have lots of scraps of wool melton full of pins) patches hoods more pouches shoes coifs Otherwise it goes into the Bin Of Useful Fabric to donate to someone else, or into the bin for my Fibers 101 class whereof it gets set on fire to teach burn testing. Jen/pixel/Margaret ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Or turn them into rag rugs. Fran Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: I unloaded tons of short ends and substantial scraps by freecycling. You can also cut them in strips (or a very long spiral) and knit or crochet with them. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
In a message dated 7/23/2008 3:06:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. There's nothing like catching a glimpse of some lining/facing inside a sleeve, under a peplum, or at an open neck...made of an expensive beautiful fabric. This is why I will save pieces even 1/2 a yard and less if it's fabulous. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
Depends what it is and how much there is. Half a metre or more isn't an offcut, so that stays in the scraps box(es) to be used for corsets, etc. Smaller pieces of nice linens (pretty colours or patterns) goes into the trimming linen drawers - likewise with silks - they're used for things like edging of tunics and corsets, or facing pocket flaps, or making buttons. Occasionally larger pieces that I'm really never going to use get ebayed. Other stuff gets put into bin bags and given away to whomever wants it and is willing to collect it (bin liners full are a bit tricky to carry on the bus!) - often schools and brownies and charity groups - for crafty stuff. D In a message dated 23/07/2008 21:28:05 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with it all. I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: Doublet, for myself or my husband Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) Coif/caul flatlining for pickadills (linen only) I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. Curious what others do, Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. ... I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Emma, I'm a quilter when I'm not a costumer or a miliner. Cotton quilts, wool scrap over the back of the couch quilts, silk crazy quilts... if it's too small for a hat lining. I'm working on quilt #43 now. For some reason, all the linen gets used up. so no linen quilts. Fun question! --cin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] odd outfit
http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12id=547 At a first glance it looks as if St. Catherine is wearing a sideless. Click on the picture to get to the zoom. Can someone tell me what she is actually wearing? De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
Adding to the list, cloth covered buttons, removable sleeves, http://tinyurl.com/282tcs http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/BordoneBambino.jpg Italian patchwork sleeves, http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/Licinio1524.JPG http://tinyurl.com/6e5k7m Landesknecht,(like hosen) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._026.jpg as was suggested, trim http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/IsottaBrembatiGrumelli.jpg http://tinyurl.com/6mxzq2 forepart http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/Lavinia1560.jpg dress http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lorenzo_Lotto_046.jpg If is the Society for Creative Anachronism, there is always pouches needed for largess. De -Original Message- Well, depending on what it is and how big it is-- charcloth trim pieced hose pouches pin holders (I have lots of scraps of wool melton full of pins) patches hoods more pouches shoes coifs http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] odd outfit
Looks like one to me too - the I Am A Queen sort, complete with ermine and a cloak to match. Catherine's pretty popular. A quick google image search also shows her in an Italian gown, a couple more variations on a sideless, a couple variations on Ye Olde Tyme Robes, and a Carravaggio where she looks like she's about to go wench at the Renn Faire Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] odd outfit http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12id=547 At a first glance it looks as if St. Catherine is wearing a sideless. Click on the picture to get to the zoom. Can someone tell me what she is actually wearing? De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] odd outfit
otsisto wrote: http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12id=547 At a first glance it looks as if St. Catherine is wearing a sideless. Click on the picture to get to the zoom. Can someone tell me what she is actually wearing? She is wearing a fantasy creation that combines the most recognizable elements of the sideless surcote (which was traditionally used for St. Catherine but is by now a century out of date) with a hodgepodge of elements of more recent styles. The dress most definitely never existed. This one will have to go into my collection of weird Catherines. I have a lot of those. The same artist did multiple Catherines. Compare the Minneapolis example with this one at the Philadelphia Museum of art, likely painted a decade or more earlier: http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/102091.html?mulR=26001 He did a lot of other paintings of female saints, too -- it was a specialty of his, apparently -- and I'm sure he mixed and matched elements repeatedly. --Robin -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] fabric use brainstorming
I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful This is why I have a kid. If it's not clothes for her then toys. A friend gave us a bunch of bean bags made from many different small bits of odd fabric. Mary ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] odd outfit
-Original Message- otsisto wrote: http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12id=547 She is wearing a fantasy creation that combines the most recognizable elements of the sideless surcote (which was traditionally used for St. Catherine but is by now a century out of date) with a hodgepodge of elements of more recent styles. The dress most definitely never existed. This one will have to go into my collection of weird Catherines. I have a lot of those. The same artist did multiple Catherines. Compare the Minneapolis example with this one at the Philadelphia Museum of art, likely painted a decade or more earlier: http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/102091.html?mulR=26001 He did a lot of other paintings of female saints, too -- it was a specialty of his, apparently -- and I'm sure he mixed and matched elements repeatedly. --Robin What threw me off is that the front, because of the chains? looks like a wide front Burgundian. The belt is similar the belts worn with the wide lace front. http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/burgundian-gown.html Scroll down. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
