Re: [h-cost] 2011 Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference
Thank you so much for posting this--I had NO idea something like this was so close to home for me, and I definitely will be attending. I'm not a re-enactor, just extremely interested in the period and am currently making and researching my first dresses of that era for a costume presentation. Now I Can't wait!!! I live in Maryland--and will probably drive up alone, since it is only about 2 hours, I think. I"d love to hear from any of you ladies attending who might be interested in sharing a hotel room for the duration of the conference (I will probably go up early and do workshops on both Thurs. and Fri.), since we all need to economize these days. I am very excited to attend this event, it was a very easy decision once I read the conference booklet and saw what they were offering.. Yours in costuming, Lisa A On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:21:21 -0400 "Lists" writes: > Please excuse the cross-posting to those who are members of multiple > lists. > > Genteel Arts is pleased to announce registration is now open for the > 17th > Annual Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference. The Conference > will be > held on March 3-6, 2011 in Harrisburg, PA. We have planned a full > schedule > of presentations and pre-conference workshops/tours of interest to > men and > women. The Conference also features extensive displays of original > garments, > a needlework competition, a juried Marketplace and a formal ball. > > Complete details including a registration form is available on our > web site > at www.genteelarts.com > > Registration is also open for the 2011 classes hosted by The Genteel > Arts > Academy. Scroll down the page for dates and descriptions. > > We hope that you can join us in 2011! > > Carolann Schmitt > cschm...@genteelarts.com > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
If you don't find anything else, this is what I put my son in when we did a wool demo at a living history park Mandarin collared men's shirt, cut a little big, in a solid color or pinstripe. You may be able to find this in RTW. Loose cut men's trousers, in a coarse weave if possible. Wool trousers may be found at GoodWill or similar thrift store. Hem the pants on the short side and wear plain lace up leather boots, ankle high. Add suspenders, no belt. If you can take the belt loops off the pants w/o making holes, that's even better. If you can find suspenders with buttons and put buttons on the pants, better yet. Denise B ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
Personally, I'd use a regular shirt maybe take the collar off and replace it with a rectangular one (or cut it or fold it into a rectangle) and wear a stock (a long rectangle wrapped around the neck) or perhaps even a girl's cotton blouse with poofy sleeves with these things done to it. But I'd spend my efforts on an 18th century waistcoat to go over the shirt. They are easy to make and the patterns made by Simplicity or other commercial companies are not dreadfully off the mark. (You wouldn't have to do the real pockets, just the flaps). Also, take a pair of plain pants, cut them off to make breeches, using the cut off part of the legs to make the knee bands. This is a trick I've used often when Q&D was required. The waistcoat can cover the fly... but the lack of a half fall is not that much of a problem really. Now you'll need stockings (tights) and plain shoes. A buckle with a fake tongue on elastic can cover the lacings and make them look more period. Are there no costume/party rental places within driving distance? What with Teabaggers and stuff, colonial things must be in stock. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
BTW I know that the time is C1800 but breeches and buckled shoes are worn well into the 1830's, especially in rural areas. And also for more "formal" activities, like a concert. So that's why I directed you towards 18th century stuff. Breeches make an instant "old timey" effect, y'know. -Original Message- From: albert...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:28 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest Personally, I'd use a regular shirt maybe take the collar off and replace it with a rectangular one (or cut it or fold it into a rectangle) and wear a stock (a long rectangle wrapped around the neck) or perhaps even a girl's cotton blouse with poofy sleeves with these things done to it. But I'd spend my efforts on an 18th century waistcoat to go over the shirt. They are easy to make and the patterns made by Simplicity or other commercial companies are not dreadfully off the mark. (You wouldn't have to do the real pockets, just the flaps). Also, take a pair of plain pants, cut them off to make breeches, using the cut off part of the legs to make the knee bands. This is a trick I've used often when Q&D was required. The waistcoat can cover the fly... but the lack of a half fall is not that much of a problem really. Now you'll need stockings (tights) and plain shoes. A buckle with a fake tongue on elastic can cover the lacings and make them look more period. Are there no costume/party rental places within driving distance? What with Teabaggers and stuff, colonial things must be in stock. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
This is all really useful! I've been having a terrible time finding good images online because the "costume" sources all seem to focus on East Coast "Colonial" or all-leather "Daniel Boone" styles with not much in between. I will need to take time for a slow perusal through art and such, but time is just what I don't have right now. Great idea from Denise about a mandarin collared shirt, which may save me the trouble of making new. (I hate sewing for a growing boy who will outgrow it before the next year's event!) Goodwill, here I come. A look at photos from previous events at the site in question shows lots of breeches like Albert described. I can modify a pair of my kid's outgrown khaki pants for these. A couple of questions for those of you who've done it: First, how low do I cut them off? I'm thinking below the knee, maybe by a couple of inches; he'll need to be sitting when he performs and needs freedom of movement, and I don't want them binding at the knee when he bends his leg. Second, how best to fasten the band at the bottom of the pants leg? With a button (what type?) or something else? I'm thinking on the line of girls' plain white kneesocks to cover the calf, unless someone tells me otherwise. Shoes, I'm probably stuck with the black athletics unless there are moccasins or boots in the right size at Goodwill, but I can get away with the shoes; any attempt at costume will be welcome, and it's not a strict re-enactment. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
White soccer socks will fit him better than girls knee socks and will stay up better. Even loafers or docksiders (or slippers) are better than athletic shoes Kate Pinner -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest This is all really useful! I've been having a terrible time finding good images online because the "costume" sources all seem to focus on East Coast "Colonial" or all-leather "Daniel Boone" styles with not much in between. I will need to take time for a slow perusal through art and such, but time is just what I don't have right now. Great idea from Denise about a mandarin collared shirt, which may save me the trouble of making new. (I hate sewing for a growing boy who will outgrow it before the next year's event!) Goodwill, here I come. A look at photos from previous events at the site in question shows lots of breeches like Albert described. I can modify a pair of my kid's outgrown khaki pants for these. A couple of questions for those of you who've done it: First, how low do I cut them off? I'm thinking below the knee, maybe by a couple of inches; he'll need to be sitting when he performs and needs freedom of movement, and I don't want them binding at the knee when he bends his leg. Second, how best to fasten the band at the bottom of the pants leg? With a button (what type?) or something else? I'm thinking on the line of girls' plain white kneesocks to cover the calf, unless someone tells me otherwise. Shoes, I'm probably stuck with the black athletics unless there are moccasins or boots in the right size at Goodwill, but I can get away with the shoes; any attempt at costume will be welcome, and it's not a strict re-enactment. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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[h-cost] Stuart Peachey talk
I've just come back from the Sealed Knot's August Bank Holiday muster at Basing House (the ruins of a large house in Hampshire which was owned by a Catholic nobleman and was besieged by the Parliamentarians during 1663-4). On the Sunday evening Stuart Peachey, the expert on 17th century life, gave a talk on lower-class 17th century costume. He spoke without amplification in a crowded beer tent, but I was (literally) sitting at his feet so I could hear very well. Someone on the Martin Luther thread mentioned front-opening skirts. This is a century later, of course, but Stuart told us that 17th century working women commonly wore a sleeveless front-opening gown, and always covered it with an apron (practical or decorative) to hide the part of the opening below the waist. Other points of interest:- Contemporary illustrations, even when supposedly portraying an incident of known date, can't be relied on for costume details of a specific decade. Often the same figure with minor changes appears in prints or woodcuts from different dates and even different countries. The woman with a broad-brimmed hat and a muffler http://www.learnnc.org/lp/multimedia/6851 appears, on foot and on horseback, in numerous pictures. No evidence has been found that 17th century coifs had a gathered projection at the back; it's thought that this appearance is derived from tying a tape round the "bun" of hair over the coif to hold it in place. I asked about drawstring necks on women's shifts, which we have discussed here. Stuart confirmed that there was no evidence for these; the gathers were sewn to a neckband. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. The policy is available here: http://www.derby.ac.uk/LIS/Email-Policy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Amazon Dry Goods going out of business!
If you have a General catalog, I'd love to see that! I have an old Patterns catalog, but I've been kicking myself that I never followed through on my vague thoughts of sending away for a General one. Emily Franchesca wrote: Yep, they are actually directing folks to them as you email them. I got part of one order in with them so far. I have the other catalogs as well and am willing to scan them and put them in the h-costume archives that I have (i.e. the really old ones) if folks would like that. Let me know. :) Franchesca -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Beteena Paradise Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amazon Dry Goods going out of business! Thank you! From: Lorri To: Historical Costume Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 6:41:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amazon Dry Goods going out of business! Hopefully this will help a few of you... A few days ago in one of my LJ communities, the announcement of Amazon was made...someone was kind enough to scan a few pages... I think this is an open community so you can go directly to the link: http://community.livejournal.com/steamfashion/2774559.html If not...you can see the name of the community: Steamfashion and the date of the post was on 8/26. Lorri ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stuart Peachey talk
"No evidence has been found that 17th century coifs had a gathered projection at the back; it's thought that this appearance is derived from tying a tape round the "bun" of hair over the coif to hold it in place." A demonstration of this (from the late 16th C) can be found here: http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/howtowearthecoif.html --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Kate Bunting wrote: From: Kate Bunting Subject: [h-cost] Stuart Peachey talk To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:25 AM I've just come back from the Sealed Knot's August Bank Holiday muster at Basing House (the ruins of a large house in Hampshire which was owned by a Catholic nobleman and was besieged by the Parliamentarians during 1663-4). On the Sunday evening Stuart Peachey, the expert on 17th century life, gave a talk on lower-class 17th century costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
First, how low do I cut them off? Have him put the pants on, sit, and then mark where they come to just below the knee. Sometimes you have to piece the knee bands because what you cut off the pants isn't long enough to get the knee measurement out of in one piece but the band only needs to be 1" wide by the knee measurement and an overlap, finished (3" x knee measurement + some overlap...so it's folded in half plus seam allowance and don't forget allowance on the pants when you cut them short! You only need a 1/2" seam allowance, maybe only a 1/4"). A hook and bar...like a flat skirt hook, is a good unnoticeable closure. You'll have to open up the outseam a little too so as to get his foot and calf through. When you write it down like this, it all seems so complicated, but it's not. I'd see what kind of tights you can find in the women's dept for covering the calves. They stay up, and some even look like ribbed socks. Make sure they aren't sheer You might find some moccasins with the bedroom shoes in the men's dept. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
It also occurs to me that while you're at Goodwill, you might find a man's waistcoat (might have to get the whole suit) that you can quickly take up CB and at the sides to fit him snugly, but will be long enough so there is no gap showing shirt above the breeches. Braces help a lot with that, and clip-ons will do if they are under a waistcoat. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
On 9/1/2010 12:55 PM, albert...@aol.com wrote: When you write it down like this, it all seems so complicated, but it's not. No, it's perfect, I got it on first reading. Thanks. I'd see what kind of tights you can find in the women's dept for covering the calves. They stay up, and some even look like ribbed socks. Make sure they aren't sheer It's still pretty hot out here, and I'd think tights would not only be hot, but be uncomfortable for a teenaged boy who's never worn them! I'll give kneesocks a try and see if they stay up -- particularly if I can get them long enough to go over the knee. And then tights if necessary. You might find some moccasins with the bedroom shoes in the men's dept. Oh, good idea. Thanks for all! --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
On 9/1/2010 11:20 AM, Kathryn Pinner wrote: White soccer socks will fit him better than girls knee socks and will stay up better. Even loafers or docksiders (or slippers) are better than athletic shoes Brilliant on all counts, thanks! --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
> > It's still pretty hot out here, and I'd think tights would not only be >> hot, but be uncomfortable for a teenaged boy who's never worn them! I'll >> give kneesocks a try and see if they stay up -- particularly if I can get >> them long enough to go over the knee. And then tights if necessary. > > For the record, I lent my own over-the-knee socks to my boyfriend a couple of times to wear with knee breeches. They work fine, especially if the band of the breeches goes over the socks and is tight enough to hold them in place. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
Check a western store/outdoor outfitter. They might have moccasins. Sandy -Original Message- >From: Robin Netherton >Sent: Sep 1, 2010 1:51 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, >US Midwest > >On 9/1/2010 11:20 AM, Kathryn Pinner wrote: >> White soccer socks will fit him better than girls knee socks and will stay >> up better. Even loafers or docksiders (or slippers) are better than >> athletic shoes > >Brilliant on all counts, thanks! > >--Robin >___ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help on quick solution for boy's clothing, c. 1800, US Midwest
Hi Robin, If he's working class, long trousers would be fine. I understand going with breeches since that reads more as a historic costume. Stockings: get black stockings and black shoes. I know in the 1770s, servants wore colored stockings. Possibly they looked cleaner than white. :-) If you have black shoes and black stockings, neither will be emphasized so you don't have to worry so much about them being good. I think the neckstock is a great idea, and that way you don't have to worry at all about the collar on the shirt. I don't agree about a mandarin collar, since shirts of the time had collars. But it's moot if he has a neck stock. :-) -Carol On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: This is all really useful! I've been having a terrible time finding good images online because the "costume" sources all seem to focus on East Coast "Colonial" or all-leather "Daniel Boone" styles with not much in between. I will need to take time for a slow perusal through art and such, but time is just what I don't have right now. Great idea from Denise about a mandarin collared shirt, which may save me the trouble of making new. (I hate sewing for a growing boy who will outgrow it before the next year's event!) Goodwill, here I come. A look at photos from previous events at the site in question shows lots of breeches like Albert described. I can modify a pair of my kid's outgrown khaki pants for these. A couple of questions for those of you who've done it: First, how low do I cut them off? I'm thinking below the knee, maybe by a couple of inches; he'll need to be sitting when he performs and needs freedom of movement, and I don't want them binding at the knee when he bends his leg. Second, how best to fasten the band at the bottom of the pants leg? With a button (what type?) or something else? I'm thinking on the line of girls' plain white kneesocks to cover the calf, unless someone tells me otherwise. Shoes, I'm probably stuck with the black athletics unless there are moccasins or boots in the right size at Goodwill, but I can get away with the shoes; any attempt at costume will be welcome, and it's not a strict re- enactment. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
