[h-cost] Nahant Victorian Day Ball
Dear All Does anyone planning to attend the Nahant Victorian Day Ball in Boston this July have a hoop I can borrow? (I am a short person) I don't have room in my luggage for a hoop this visit, and its ended up that I either wear 1840 without a hoop or borrow a hoop for 1860s. Also, does anyone know how I purchase tickets for this ball? We leave in four weeks time and I'm trying to get all my purchase completed before I lose internet access. -- Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden http://earthlydelights.com.au http://aylwen.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria
Apparently Anne wasn't even first; numerous ref's online to, I think, Princess Philippa, daughter of Henry IV (Bolingbroke), 1406 She was married on 26 October 1406 to Eric of Pomerania [Scandinavia, Sweden] in Lund Cathedral. Philippa was actually the first documented princess in history to wear a white wedding dress during a royal wedding ceremony: she wore a tunic with a cloak in white silk bordered with grey squirrel and ermine). chimene On May 9, 2011, at 10:43 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: My local newspaper ran an article about wedding traditions, http://www2.timesdispatch.com/lifestyles/celebrations/2011/may/04/tradition- tales-ar-1015954/ Scroll down to The White Wedding Dress. So who started the trend of the white wedding dress, Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria? The year 1499 is out of my league of knowledge. I know all about Victoria's wedding dress trend. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria
Chimene, Do you have a source for that info? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or QueenVictoria
I think Mary Tudor and Martha Washington wore white. Monica Spence -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:44 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or QueenVictoria My local newspaper ran an article about wedding traditions, http://www2.timesdispatch.com/lifestyles/celebrations/2011/may/04/tradition- tales-ar-1015954/ Scroll down to The White Wedding Dress. So who started the trend of the white wedding dress, Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria? The year 1499 is out of my league of knowledge. I know all about Victoria's wedding dress trend. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or QueenVictoria
I know George Martha's niece didn't wear white. I worked with her wedding dress for exhibit at the Valentine Museum. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria
I think it depends on what they are trying to say. If they are saying Who wore it first? then it opens up the spectrum to any who ever lived. But if they are specifically saying Who made it a trend? then I think the answer is obviously Queen Victoria. Prior to Queen Victoria, it wasn't the usual thing to do. Otherwise, after Anne of Brittany or Philippa of England, there would have been a lot of people wearing white. But because we are onlly mentioning those two, clearly it wasn't happening (or at least no documentation has survived to us of it happening). Know what I mean? Teena From: Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 9:32:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria Apparently Anne wasn't even first; numerous ref's online to, I think, Princess Philippa, daughter of Henry IV (Bolingbroke), 1406 She was married on 26 October 1406 to Eric of Pomerania [Scandinavia, Sweden] in Lund Cathedral. Philippa was actually the first documented princess in history to wear a white wedding dress during a royal wedding ceremony: she wore a tunic with a cloak in white silk bordered with grey squirrel and ermine). chimene On May 9, 2011, at 10:43 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: My local newspaper ran an article about wedding traditions, http://www2.timesdispatch.com/lifestyles/celebrations/2011/may/04/tradition- tales-ar-1015954/ Scroll down to The White Wedding Dress. So who started the trend of the white wedding dress, Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria? The year 1499 is out of my league of knowledge. I know all about Victoria's wedding dress trend. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] New Costume Blogs
Hello Everybody, I recently created a series of new costume blogs that I thought maybe some of you might be interested in. http://civil-war-clothing.blogspot.com http://late-victorian-clothing.blogspot.com http://edwardian-clothing.blogspot.com http://early-victorian-clothing.blogspot.com http://romantic-clothing.blogspot.com http://regency-clothing.blogspot.com They are still just babies, but I hope you can see the potential. Please check them out and let me know what you think. Thanks! Sandy Gowland www.OldTimePatterns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Costume Blogs
I like them! It's a neat idea to post the Fashion Chit-Chat - it gives a little window into the era. Emily On 5/10/2011 8:50 AM, Sandy Gowland wrote: Hello Everybody, I recently created a series of new costume blogs that I thought maybe some of you might be interested in. http://civil-war-clothing.blogspot.com http://late-victorian-clothing.blogspot.com http://edwardian-clothing.blogspot.com http://early-victorian-clothing.blogspot.com http://romantic-clothing.blogspot.com http://regency-clothing.blogspot.com They are still just babies, but I hope you can see the potential. Please check them out and let me know what you think. Thanks! Sandy Gowland www.OldTimePatterns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany orQueen Victoria
When I taught history of costume, many years ago, I remember reading the occasional reference to a white wedding dress for a royal/noble bride, supposedly because it was difficult to bleach silk to a pure white color--hence it was expensive and conferred status. Let us also remember that white was very popular for both day and evening wear during the early 19th century, so a bride's white dress might indeed be one she continued to wear long past the wedding. Even after Victoria, brides in the mid- to late- 19th century often chose colors, and, of course, in the 20th century, there were many instances of brides (often war brides) wearing colored suits to be married in. So saying so and so started a trend might be over-simplifying, but what does one expect from a newspaper article? Ann Wass In a message dated 5/10/2011 4:53:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsi...@socket.net writes: Would love their source for their information as some of it conflicts a little with what I have heard. Also it is broad brushing info. If you are only using Anne and Vicky as the comparison it would be Victoria. Victoria was a trendsetter due to wider media spread. This sight is closer to what I have heard but still no docs. http://hibiscus-sinensis.com/regency/weddingdress.htm What i find annoying is that every site repeats the Anne of Brittany marrying in a white gown but I can not find a source that verifies it. Most pics. have her in gold, black or pink/red. Is there a written source? De -Original Message- I am sorry for the previous URL... this is better: http://tinyurl.com/3c98gfr Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Nahant Victorian Day Ball
Dear Katy That's fantastic! Thanks so much for juggling all this and your little one! I just heard about Stanford - the waltz week is on but the dance week is cancelled. Unfortunately the waltz week goes from 17-19 June and we fly in on the 19 after running our own ball on the 18th. Cheers, Aylwen Sent from an iPhone. On 10/05/2011, at 11:11 PM, Katy Bishop katybisho...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Aylwen, Sorry, I have been so busy with other things. We are spending so much time trying to organize the Newport Vintage Dance Week, fixing a postal error (almost the entire mailing of our brochures was sent back to us in the box we dropped it off in at the post office!) and try and get enough registrants to not lose money in this horrible economic climate; it has been taking all of our attention. A page had just been set up to pay on-line for the Nahant ball: http://events.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=irkvqtdaboeidk=a07e3trpct39eb865ee It's our first year accepting paypal, so let me know if there are any glitches. It is not updated on the webpage yet. I can lend you a hoop for the ball if you would like. Do you have any update on the status of the Stanford week. We were very sorry to hear that it was canceled. Katy On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Does anyone planning to attend the Nahant Victorian Day Ball in Boston this July have a hoop I can borrow? (I am a short person) I don't have room in my luggage for a hoop this visit, and its ended up that I either wear 1840 without a hoop or borrow a hoop for 1860s. Also, does anyone know how I purchase tickets for this ball? We leave in four weeks time and I'm trying to get all my purchase completed before I lose internet access. -- Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden http://earthlydelights.com.au http://aylwen.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.comwww.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany orQueen Victoria
In 1913, my not-so-rich farm bride grandmother wore dove gray for her wedding. Then sob she _cut_it_up to make my father's first suit! In 1943, my mother wore a plain suit (whose color she never told me!) for her wartime wedding. Alas. We all missed the chance to wear something spectacular. I wore a simple white dress, not even floor length. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 10, 2011, at 2:19 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Even after Victoria, brides in the mid- to late- 19th century often chose colors, and, of course, in the 20th century, there were many instances of brides (often war brides) wearing colored suits to be married in. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany orQueen Victoria
If Anne?of Britanny chose White for her wedding, I have seen no further historical referrences about other women choosing the color for their ceremony?...hence, no vogue?of white having any cache for a proper wedding ceremony. At that date (Anne's) weddings were probably no so public...except for royalty. What ever color or fabric, it would have had cost and politics pointing the way toward correctness. By the time of Victoria there were additional psychological and moral, symbolic reasons behind Her choices to have a white wedding.??This choice was the veiled motivation for the idea of a white wedding for many decades hence.?Royal brides for a long time before V. chose (or were garbed) in fabled fabrics of gold or silver as a declaration of wealth and power. Her choice put the emphasis on virginity and respectabilty...something that women of almost any class standard could hope to emmulate. White, and Lace were? more in the province of people of means, but the principle could be shared. The white dress, however harkens back to a 'shift' that was owned by most women-high or low, as the transition garment between her house and her husband's home...___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany orQueen Victoria
As always, h-costume continues to add punctuation that is not in th original. Sigh! -Original Message- From: R Lloyd Mitchell rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu Sent 5/10/2011 8:34:47 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany orQueen VictoriaIf Anne?of Britanny chose White for her wedding, I have seen no further historical referrences about other women choosing the color for their ceremony?...hence, no vogue?of white having any cache for a proper wedding ceremony. At that date (Anne's) weddings were probably no so public...except for royalty. What ever color or fabric, it would have had cost and politics pointing the way toward correctness. By the time of Victoria there were additional psychological and moral, symbolic reasons behind Her choices to have a white wedding.??This choice was the veiled motivation for the idea of a white wedding for many decades hence.?Royal brides for a long time before V. chose (or were garbed) in fabled fabrics of gold or silver as a declaration of wealth and power. Her choice put the emphasis on virginity and respectabilty...something that women of almost any class standard could hope to emmulate. White, and Lace were? more in the province of people of means, but the principle could be shared. The white dress, however harkens back to a 'shift' that was owned by most women-high or low, as the transition garment between her house and her husband's home... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] piping on Civil War era dresses
Lisa, I heard a rumor that an entry in the historic category had an entire notebook of documentation for their costume. Was that you? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
