Re: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now!
Greetings, I think I have that fashion plate, or at least others wearing that same colour. It was a popular colour and I love it too. They sure liked green during that time. If you asked me to go by the colour name, I would have said it was the colour of Granny Smith apples. However, I don't think that any of those you provided links for would be right. Did you notice that it is a shot fabric being depicted? I think that you would be better off looking for a shot silk combining colours like the first and second ones. I think that this one is slightly better than the non-shot version: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=2478 However, I think that this might do the trick: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=4642 It has both the yellowish highlights and the blue undertones of the fashion plate. Mind you, this one could work as well: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=1617 Surprisingly, if the woman in the photo is wearing the fabric in the photos, it is another possibility. http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=1290 Compare them side-by-side with the fashion plate and I think that you will see that they are pretty good matches. Just my opinion, of course, but it appears to me that the colouring of the plate follows the usual stylistic conventions for depicting shot fabrics, that have been used in European art since the 15th century. Cheers Danielle Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:19:22 -0500 From: h...@uvm.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now! The color name pomona green appears throughout early 19th century fashion magazines. Fashion plates display women in pomona green gowns, or with pomona green accessories, and descriptions of the color usually refer to leaves or apples. First problem: the images depicted are showing a range of greens (understandable in that they are usually handpainted). Second problem: trying to find a green that matches any of the greens in that range is rather difficult in our current decade of very blue greens or very yellow/olive greens. Even the pantone color chart shows us that this range of greens doesn't seem to be in vogue. So, here's a challenge! Which of the three fabrics linked here would you place in the closest to pomona green category. I know, none of them or you can't tell from an online picture are both logical responses as is just buy some and then decide! But I'm hoping some of you will take a stab at this. And if anyone knows of another site that has the perfect pomona green in a lightweight silk taffeta (especially at these prices) oh my! I would love to know about it. :-) http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=4014 http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=2741 http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=2163 and this is the color I'm most in love with in an illustration: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/194991858836404282/ - Hope P.S. And my apologies for sending a question about greens amidst the discussion about post mortem photographs...(groan: ducking and running). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New York garment district
The only thing I've seen is a packet of postcards. Nice, but not much use. Monica -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:45 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New York garment district Is there a printed exhibit catalog? Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns www.lavoltapress.com On 1/15/2015 7:31 PM, Monica Spence wrote: The Met has an awesome show called Death Becomes Her Mourning clothes from 1800-1915or so. One of Queen Victoria's gowns is on display, and two from Alexandra, Edward's wife. You should not miss it. It is in the costume institute, below the Egyptian Exhibit. I believe the show runs until February. Monica -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Brenda Bell Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:11 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] New York garment district AtMon, 01 Dec 2014 22:27:11 -0800, humbugfo...@att.net wrote: Also, I've checked the Met and FITM for costume exhibits and there doesn't seem to be anything particularly exciting on their schedules. Can anyone suggest any other museums or exhibitions that would have (historical) costumes on display? I'd check the People Center at the American Museum of Natural History for costumes of indigenous peoples. I might also check the Museum of the City of New York, the New York Historical Society, the Museum of Folk Art, and the American Crafts Museum to see if there will be any interesting exhibits. You might also check to see if you can do some specific study at the Met's Costume Institute, if there's something particular you wish to research. Brenda F. Bell webwar...@earthlink.net Support me in riding the 2015 Tour de Cure to Stop Diabetes! http://main.diabetes.org/goto/tmana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] post-mortem photos
This question made me curious because I've seen so many photos labeled PM when I thought they weren't. And of course I stare with same morbid curiosity as the next person (Thanatos?)! But standing poses - I don't know. It's practically impossible to hold an unconscious person upright - I know this - so imagine a corpse. To make the costume connection, it's also difficult to dress one! Anyway, these links were the first to come up. Interesting. http://mourningportraits.blogspot.com/p/hoaxes-scams-ebay-optimism.html http://www.pinterest.com/angelusmortis2/post-mortem-photography-no-you-dont-see-dead-peopl/ Melissa Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New York Garment District
Thank you for the suggestion. I would very much like to see this exhibit, but unfortunately my trip isn't until March. Is there a permanent exhibit on display on the Costume Institute? I can't seem to find any information one way or the other on the Met's website. Julie On 1/16/2015 3:05 AM, h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: From: Monica Spencemonicaspe...@optonline.net To: 'Historical Costume'h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New York garment district Message-ID:00b101d0313c$f86dab40$e94901c0$@optonline.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Met has an awesome show called Death Becomes Her Mourning clothes from 1800-1915or so. One of Queen Victoria's gowns is on display, and two from Alexandra, Edward's wife. You should not miss it. It is in the costume institute, below the Egyptian Exhibit. I believe the show runs until February. Monica ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now!
I really like Danielle's fourth recommendation, both as a lovely color and as a good match for the plate, at least as far as my computer's monitor is concerned. Failing that, I'd go for the third. --RA Baumgartner On Jan 16, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: Greetings, I think I have that fashion plate, or at least others wearing that same colour. It was a popular colour and I love it too. They sure liked green during that time. If you asked me to go by the colour name, I would have said it was the colour of Granny Smith apples. However, I don't think that any of those you provided links for would be right. Did you notice that it is a shot fabric being depicted? I think that you would be better off looking for a shot silk combining colours like the first and second ones. I think that this one is slightly better than the non-shot version: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=2478 However, I think that this might do the trick: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=4642 It has both the yellowish highlights and the blue undertones of the fashion plate. Mind you, this one could work as well: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=1617 Surprisingly, if the woman in the photo is wearing the fabric in the photos, it is another possibility. http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=1290 Compare them side-by-side with the fashion plate and I think that you will see that they are pretty good matches. Just my opinion, of course, but it appears to me that the colouring of the plate follows the usual stylistic conventions for depicting shot fabrics, that have been used in European art since the 15th century. Cheers Danielle Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:19:22 -0500 From: h...@uvm.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now! The color name pomona green appears throughout early 19th century fashion magazines. Fashion plates display women in pomona green gowns, or with pomona green accessories, and descriptions of the color usually refer to leaves or apples. First problem: the images depicted are showing a range of greens (understandable in that they are usually handpainted). Second problem: trying to find a green that matches any of the greens in that range is rather difficult in our current decade of very blue greens or very yellow/olive greens. Even the pantone color chart shows us that this range of greens doesn't seem to be in vogue. So, here's a challenge! Which of the three fabrics linked here would you place in the closest to pomona green category. I know, none of them or you can't tell from an online picture are both logical responses as is just buy some and then decide! But I'm hoping some of you will take a stab at this. And if anyone knows of another site that has the perfect pomona green in a lightweight silk taffeta (especially at these prices) oh my! I would love to know about it. :-) http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=4014 http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=2741 http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=2163 and this is the color I'm most in love with in an illustration: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/194991858836404282/ - Hope P.S. And my apologies for sending a question about greens amidst the discussion about post mortem photographs...(groan: ducking and running). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now!
I also like Danielle's fourth recommendation - if the fabric in the dress is the same as the yardage shown. If that's too iffy, I'd go with the African Green Shot, or the straight African Green. Glynnis From: ruthan...@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:50:02 -0500 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now! I really like Danielle's fourth recommendation, both as a lovely color and as a good match for the plate, at least as far as my computer's monitor is concerned. Failing that, I'd go for the third. --RA Baumgartner On Jan 16, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: Greetings, I think I have that fashion plate, or at least others wearing that same colour. It was a popular colour and I love it too. They sure liked green during that time. If you asked me to go by the colour name, I would have said it was the colour of Granny Smith apples. However, I don't think that any of those you provided links for would be right. Did you notice that it is a shot fabric being depicted? I think that you would be better off looking for a shot silk combining colours like the first and second ones. I think that this one is slightly better than the non-shot version: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=2478 However, I think that this might do the trick: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=4642 It has both the yellowish highlights and the blue undertones of the fashion plate. Mind you, this one could work as well: http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=1617 Surprisingly, if the woman in the photo is wearing the fabric in the photos, it is another possibility. http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=1290 Compare them side-by-side with the fashion plate and I think that you will see that they are pretty good matches. Just my opinion, of course, but it appears to me that the colouring of the plate follows the usual stylistic conventions for depicting shot fabrics, that have been used in European art since the 15th century. Cheers Danielle Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:19:22 -0500 From: h...@uvm.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now! The color name pomona green appears throughout early 19th century fashion magazines. Fashion plates display women in pomona green gowns, or with pomona green accessories, and descriptions of the color usually refer to leaves or apples. First problem: the images depicted are showing a range of greens (understandable in that they are usually handpainted). Second problem: trying to find a green that matches any of the greens in that range is rather difficult in our current decade of very blue greens or very yellow/olive greens. Even the pantone color chart shows us that this range of greens doesn't seem to be in vogue. So, here's a challenge! Which of the three fabrics linked here would you place in the closest to pomona green category. I know, none of them or you can't tell from an online picture are both logical responses as is just buy some and then decide! But I'm hoping some of you will take a stab at this. And if anyone knows of another site that has the perfect pomona green in a lightweight silk taffeta (especially at these prices) oh my! I would love to know about it. :-) http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=4014 http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=2741 http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=2163 and this is the color I'm most in love with in an illustration: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/194991858836404282/ - Hope P.S. And my apologies for sending a question about greens amidst the discussion about post mortem photographs...(groan: ducking and running). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] post-mortem photos
It isn't impossible. Difficult, yes. But not impossible. As any EMT worker can tell you. Yes, it is difficult. But that's why you used things like stands, or straps. http://cabinetofcuriosities.ca/pictures-of-the-dead-the-truth-about-post-mortem-photography/ On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:08 AM, mhprobe...@gmail.com mhprobe...@gmail.com wrote: This question made me curious because I've seen so many photos labeled PM when I thought they weren't. And of course I stare with same morbid curiosity as the next person (Thanatos?)! But standing poses - I don't know. It's practically impossible to hold an unconscious person upright - I know this - so imagine a corpse. To make the costume connection, it's also difficult to dress one! Anyway, these links were the first to come up. Interesting. http://mourningportraits.blogspot.com/p/hoaxes-scams-ebay-optimism.html http://www.pinterest.com/angelusmortis2/post-mortem-photography-no-you-dont-see-dead-peopl/ Melissa Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- http://dirtygirldesigns.wordpress.com/ http://www.etsy.com/shop/dirtygirldesigns ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now!
I also think this is the best match. Surprisingly, if the woman in the photo is wearing the fabric in the photos, it is another possibility. http://www.puresilks.us/index.php?route=product/productpath=2product_id=1290 Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] post-mortem photos
What a bright and cheery way to start the year. Was the cross added by family or could it be a mark made by the photographer for the touch-up artist? Maybe not, it looks more like a Christian cross than an X Either way, speaking as someone who has just spent a week dressing human forms filled with ballistics gel latex (don't ask), it is possible to prop something human-shape in the way shown in the photograph. Loose clothing is the key. To be really morbid, could one of the kids be holding the boy's upper body up? Still, my vote on this one is vertical pole behind, probably using the belt to hold the bulk of the weight. Keeping the upper body from flopping over is the problem. It brought to mind the pic seen here: http://artsearch.nga.gov.au/Detail.cfm?IRN=40548 http://bluerangestudio.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Joe-Byrne-on-door-close-up-260x430.jpg http://bluerangestudio.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Joe-on-Door-side-view-300x217.jpg the body of Joe Byrne, member of outlaw Ned Kelly's gang, suspended for public viewing and for photographers on a police station door a day or two after death (late June, 1880. Cause of death, bullet wound, body then subjected to building fire). Aside to self: I wonder how scholarly we would be if the portrait of the child were a more recent pic., -C. - Original Message - From: Historical Costume To:Historical Costume Cc: Sent:Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:11:23 -0500 Subject:Re: [h-cost] post-mortem photos It isn't impossible. Difficult, yes. But not impossible. As any EMT worker can tell you. Yes, it is difficult. But that's why you used things like stands, or straps. http://cabinetofcuriosities.ca/pictures-of-the-dead-the-truth-about-post-mortem-photography/ On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:08 AM, mhprobe...@gmail.com wrote: This question made me curious because I've seen so many photos labeled PM when I thought they weren't. And of course I stare with same morbid curiosity as the next person (Thanatos?)! But standing poses - I don't know. It's practically impossible to hold an unconscious person upright - I know this - so imagine a corpse. To make the costume connection, it's also difficult to dress one! Anyway, these links were the first to come up. Interesting. http://mourningportraits.blogspot.com/p/hoaxes-scams-ebay-optimism.html http://www.pinterest.com/angelusmortis2/post-mortem-photography-no-you-dont-see-dead-peopl/ Melissa Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- http://dirtygirldesigns.wordpress.com/ http://www.etsy.com/shop/dirtygirldesigns ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Topic: Is this a Postmortem Photo
No. Odd pose is probably natural for a little guy who couldn’t stand still. Belt not all that odd for the era. Dunno about the shoes (or the lack). I’d guess if they weren’t rich he might have to wait for an older sibling’s pair?? In my experience postmortem photos were universally shot with the subject laid out as if sleeping peacefully, not standing up with siblings. ==Marjorie Wilser On Jan 14, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Penny Ladnier pe...@costumegallery.com wrote: I'll open a can of worms. I have a photo of my Dad and his siblings from 1912 http://www.costumegallery.com/kids2.jpg . The little boy in this front is he postmortem or handicapped. He passed away in 1912. I have always thought the belt around him was odd and being shoeless. My Dad told me once that his mother was very strict and would not allow them to go around barefooted. Last week I was dusting the photo's frame and gave it a hard look and thought it might be postmortem. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] post-mortem photos
Didn't they ever use stands to keep live infants in position for the time necessary for the photo? It's not like the parents can just tell them to keep still. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com On 1/16/2015 4:24 PM, stils...@netspace.net.au wrote: What a bright and cheery way to start the year. Was the cross added by family or could it be a mark made by the photographer for the touch-up artist? Maybe not, it looks more like a Christian cross than an X Either way, speaking as someone who has just spent a week dressing human forms filled with ballistics gel latex (don't ask), it is possible to prop something human-shape in the way shown in the photograph. Loose clothing is the key. To be really morbid, could one of the kids be holding the boy's upper body up? Still, my vote on this one is vertical pole behind, probably using the belt to hold the bulk of the weight. Keeping the upper body from flopping over is the problem. It brought to mind the pic seen here: http://artsearch.nga.gov.au/Detail.cfm?IRN=40548 http://bluerangestudio.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Joe-Byrne-on-door-close-up-260x430.jpg http://bluerangestudio.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Joe-on-Door-side-view-300x217.jpg the body of Joe Byrne, member of outlaw Ned Kelly's gang, suspended for public viewing and for photographers on a police station door a day or two after death (late June, 1880. Cause of death, bullet wound, body then subjected to building fire). Aside to self: I wonder how scholarly we would be if the portrait of the child were a more recent pic., -C. - Original Message - From: Historical Costume To:Historical Costume Cc: Sent:Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:11:23 -0500 Subject:Re: [h-cost] post-mortem photos It isn't impossible. Difficult, yes. But not impossible. As any EMT worker can tell you. Yes, it is difficult. But that's why you used things like stands, or straps. http://cabinetofcuriosities.ca/pictures-of-the-dead-the-truth-about-post-mortem-photography/ On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:08 AM, mhprobe...@gmail.com wrote: This question made me curious because I've seen so many photos labeled PM when I thought they weren't. And of course I stare with same morbid curiosity as the next person (Thanatos?)! But standing poses - I don't know. It's practically impossible to hold an unconscious person upright - I know this - so imagine a corpse. To make the costume connection, it's also difficult to dress one! Anyway, these links were the first to come up. Interesting. http://mourningportraits.blogspot.com/p/hoaxes-scams-ebay-optimism.html http://www.pinterest.com/angelusmortis2/post-mortem-photography-no-you-dont-see-dead-peopl/ Melissa Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- http://dirtygirldesigns.wordpress.com/ http://www.etsy.com/shop/dirtygirldesigns ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
