[h-cost] Gold ornaments from C16th hat found on Thames foreshore
Here is a newspaper item with a good photo of the aiglets, beads, etc. found by the 'mudlarks':- http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/dec/23/tiny-tudor-treasure-hoard-found-in-thames-mud It is thought that they all came from one hat, although found by different people at different times, since they match. So pretty ! There is also a link to a Dacre portrait showing such items. Catherine. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gold ornaments from 16c hat, h-costume Digest, Vol 14, Issue 64
Thank you, Catherine. I'm a bit embarrassed not to have spotted this in the Guardian, since I live near both the river and the Museum; they are indeed pretty, and some stylish person must have been very unhappy to lose them and the object they adorned. Stevie Sent from my iPad > On 23 Dec 2015, at 19:00, h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at >h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Gold ornaments from C16th hat found on Thames foreshore > (Catherine Walton) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 16:26:47 + > From: Catherine Walton > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Gold ornaments from C16th hat found on Thames >foreshore > Message-ID: <567acb47.3020...@cherryfield.me.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Here is a newspaper item with a good photo of the aiglets, beads, etc. > found by the 'mudlarks':- > > http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/dec/23/tiny-tudor-treasure-hoard-found-in-thames-mud > > It is thought that they all came from one hat, although found by > different people at different times, since they match. So pretty ! > > There is also a link to a Dacre portrait showing such items. > > Catherine. > > > > > -- > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > End of h-costume Digest, Vol 14, Issue 64 > * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stockings and Charity Sewing
Yeah, the idea of charity sewing adds another dimension… The situation, theoretically, is a female relative visiting (cousin, maybe), with no problem for others to darn stockings or socks in her presence, but not expecting her to work on the immediate family’s old holey socks. Rather than cutting a hole for her to mend, I think having charity sewing projects around would mean she could have worked on that. If it would be the norm to have projects like that in the basket, seems it would be preferred. Or, she could be working a new item, like making a shirt or shift. Something done with new stockings is “running in” the heels. Researcher Steve Rayner found a Cuthbertson reference from 1768: …"running them in the heels will strengthen them exceedingly, therefore every Soldier should learn that piece of oeconomy, as well as to mend his stockings, it being very praise worthy, besides saving him a constant expence.” Run-in heel reinforcements are something I’ve seen in extant early 19thC stockings, but before the above info I didn’t know how early we had it documented. (Pre Rev War, Yay!!!) S, coming back around to the original story: If the relative could work on new stockings but not old ones, I think she could have done the heel reinforcements (running-in). Unless, by later eras, the running-in was part of the finishing done before you would buy the stockings. Maybe I’ll never find the source of the “cutting a hole” story, but it would be nice to know if it was from real experience or not. Thanks! -Carol > On Dec 21, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Elena House wrote: > > (snip) > > My first thought was that it was historical fiction, but not necessarily > modern historical fiction, if that makes sense. It could have been written > say in the middle of the 20th century, when this practice might possibly > have occurred to someone--or it could be a result of the earlier pulp > fiction years, and possibly written by a male (who wouldn't know this > didn't sound quite right) under a female pen name. > > My second thought was that from what I'm thinking is the original post, by > Carol, I couldn't really tell what era this was supposed to be, or what > class the young woman/women were supposed to belong to. Surely there would > be a class divide between those who are socially expected to do 'pretty' > work to show off their accomplishments, and those who would feel they were > impressing the people they wanted to impress more by showing off their > usefulness...? A middle-upper class family's daughter in say, 1880s NYC > would certainly sew different things when a guest was there than a farming > family's daughter in Ohio in the 1940s would. > > I still find the idea of cutting a hole in NEW stocking a bit of a stretch, > but if it were a plot point in an > Isn't-Our-Heroine-Just-Too-Angelic-For-Words type of 1910s young adult > pulp, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find myself reading about it; it > sounds like the kind of story meant to show off someone's virtue. > > -E House > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Marjorie Wilser wrote: > >> I vote for fiction. It seems wrong on so many levels. You don’t “cut a >> hole" in a (new!) stocking to darn. You cut a thread and let it ravel a >> little. In that day, I suspect making ANY kind of hole would never have >> happened. You wouldn’t destroy new goods for any reason, much less to make >> busy work. >> >> However, the very idea of them darning stockings in a social setting is >> suspect. It just wouldn’t be done in polite circles. Wish I could help on >> the reference. >> >> ==Marjorie Wilser >> >> @..@ @..@ @..@ >> Three Toad Press >> http://3toad.blogspot.com/ >> >> >>> On Dec 18, 2015, at 2:05 PM, aqua...@patriot.net wrote: >>> >>> A young woman is visiting a household with other young women, and they >> are >>> darning some stockings. It would not be proper to give her one of the >>> family's stockings to mend, so they cut a hole in a new stocking for her >>> to darn. >>> >>> The whole idea seems silly to me, because it seems that there would be >>> some new clothing to be made or something for her to do that would not >>> require making busy work. That's why it sounds more like historical >>> fiction. >>> >>> Does it sound familiar to anyone? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> -Carol >> >> >> ___ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stockings and Charity Sewing
I would think that, in the unlikely situation where a woman was visiting a family and did not bring enough "work" of her own, there would be a conversation like this: Guest: Please, let me help you darn those stockings. Hosts: Oh no, we wouldn't dream of asking you to do that. Guest: Honestly, I'd really love to. Hosts: Well, if you insist . . . And note that the hosts would be making their guest more comfortable by giving her something to do when she needed that. Fran Books on historic costuming www.lavoltapress.com On 12/23/2015 4:23 PM, Carol Kocian wrote: Yeah, the idea of charity sewing adds another dimension… The situation, theoretically, is a female relative visiting (cousin, maybe), with no problem for others to darn stockings or socks in her presence, but not expecting her to work on the immediate family’s old holey socks. Rather than cutting a hole for her to mend, I think having charity sewing projects around would mean she could have worked on that. If it would be the norm to have projects like that in the basket, seems it would be preferred. Or, she could be working a new item, like making a shirt or shift. Something done with new stockings is “running in” the heels. Researcher Steve Rayner found a Cuthbertson reference from 1768: …"running them in the heels will strengthen them exceedingly, therefore every Soldier should learn that piece of oeconomy, as well as to mend his stockings, it being very praise worthy, besides saving him a constant expence.” Run-in heel reinforcements are something I’ve seen in extant early 19thC stockings, but before the above info I didn’t know how early we had it documented. (Pre Rev War, Yay!!!) S, coming back around to the original story: If the relative could work on new stockings but not old ones, I think she could have done the heel reinforcements (running-in). Unless, by later eras, the running-in was part of the finishing done before you would buy the stockings. Maybe I’ll never find the source of the “cutting a hole” story, but it would be nice to know if it was from real experience or not. Thanks! -Carol On Dec 21, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Elena House wrote: (snip) My first thought was that it was historical fiction, but not necessarily modern historical fiction, if that makes sense. It could have been written say in the middle of the 20th century, when this practice might possibly have occurred to someone--or it could be a result of the earlier pulp fiction years, and possibly written by a male (who wouldn't know this didn't sound quite right) under a female pen name. My second thought was that from what I'm thinking is the original post, by Carol, I couldn't really tell what era this was supposed to be, or what class the young woman/women were supposed to belong to. Surely there would be a class divide between those who are socially expected to do 'pretty' work to show off their accomplishments, and those who would feel they were impressing the people they wanted to impress more by showing off their usefulness...? A middle-upper class family's daughter in say, 1880s NYC would certainly sew different things when a guest was there than a farming family's daughter in Ohio in the 1940s would. I still find the idea of cutting a hole in NEW stocking a bit of a stretch, but if it were a plot point in an Isn't-Our-Heroine-Just-Too-Angelic-For-Words type of 1910s young adult pulp, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find myself reading about it; it sounds like the kind of story meant to show off someone's virtue. -E House On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Marjorie Wilser wrote: I vote for fiction. It seems wrong on so many levels. You don’t “cut a hole" in a (new!) stocking to darn. You cut a thread and let it ravel a little. In that day, I suspect making ANY kind of hole would never have happened. You wouldn’t destroy new goods for any reason, much less to make busy work. However, the very idea of them darning stockings in a social setting is suspect. It just wouldn’t be done in polite circles. Wish I could help on the reference. ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Dec 18, 2015, at 2:05 PM, aqua...@patriot.net wrote: A young woman is visiting a household with other young women, and they are darning some stockings. It would not be proper to give her one of the family's stockings to mend, so they cut a hole in a new stocking for her to darn. The whole idea seems silly to me, because it seems that there would be some new clothing to be made or something for her to do that would not require making busy work. That's why it sounds more like historical fiction. Does it sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://ma
