Re: [h-cost] Patterns of time Ageless Patterns trim instructions
I haven't dealt with any of the patterns, but when I went to the website I was alarmed by the owner's comment I have done my best to include all pattern pieces. I would certainly hope so! Has she not made up these patterns herself to check that they work? Nancy Kiel nancy_k...@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: otsi...@socket.net To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:17:44 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] Patterns of time Ageless Patterns trim instructions Today I received a pattern from Patterns of Time, this is the second time I received the pattern folded and stuffed in an envelope. They also, at least on the clothing patterns place their labels on top of print or design, instead of off to the side. I know they are capable of doing this as the Ageless Patterns of trim has the PT labels in at the bottom of the page and not at the top covering the design. With most of my patterns that are not the big 3 I place instructions in clear sleeves and put is all together in a three ring binder because unlike the big 3 I have to do extra work to get the pattern. Now I have to go and place the instructions between two heavy books and a flat surface. I wish I had read this before I ordered the trim Pamphlets http://www.gbacg.org/great-pattern-review/ageless.html They have pictures and a paragraph making an attempt at telling you what is done. No step by step instructions with diagrams. #1240, trim #5 appears to have piping but it is not in the instructions, instead they say the lining comes over the edge and hems on the outside. I thought I was getting a good deal at $3 ea. I probably would have ordered these patterns anyway but it would have been nice to know what I was really getting. Would have ordered the gown anyway as I would have to adjust to my size and adapt it. The trim on the other hand, I can borrow from a friend books with clearer instructions. De taking toe of the soap box ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns of time Ageless Patterns trim instructions
But I think I could expect to find all the pattern pieces. Nancy Kiel nancy_k...@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:02:48 -0700 From: cw15147-hcos...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of time Ageless Patterns trim instructions No. Ageless Patterns' patterns are scaled up and copied out of period fashion magazines, including the instructions, which aren't more than a paragraph, if even. One buys them in anticipation of doing a little to a lot of work to produce the garment. Don't expect instructions, grading, seam allowances, markings, etc. that you find in a modern pattern. Claudine - Original Message From: Nancy Kiel nancy_k...@hotmail.com To: costume list h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 9:56:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of time Ageless Patterns trim instructions I haven't dealt with any of the patterns, but when I went to the website I was alarmed by the owner's comment I have done my best to include all pattern pieces. I would certainly hope so! Has she not made up these patterns herself to check that they work? Nancy Kiel nancy_k...@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: otsi...@socket.net To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:17:44 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] Patterns of time Ageless Patterns trim instructions Today I received a pattern from Patterns of Time, this is the second time I received the pattern folded and stuffed in an envelope. They also, at least on the clothing patterns place their labels on top of print or design, instead of off to the side. I know they are capable of doing this as the Ageless Patterns of trim has the PT labels in at the bottom of the page and not at the top covering the design. With most of my patterns that are not the big 3 I place instructions in clear sleeves and put is all together in a three ring binder because unlike the big 3 I have to do extra work to get the pattern. Now I have to go and place the instructions between two heavy books and a flat surface. I wish I had read this before I ordered the trim Pamphlets http://www.gbacg.org/great-pattern-review/ageless.html They have pictures and a paragraph making an attempt at telling you what is done. No step by step instructions with diagrams. #1240, trim #5 appears to have piping but it is not in the instructions, instead they say the lining comes over the edge and hems on the outside. I thought I was getting a good deal at $3 ea. I probably would have ordered these patterns anyway but it would have been nice to know what I was really getting. Would have ordered the gown anyway as I would have to adjust to my size and adapt it. The trim on the other hand, I can borrow from a friend books with clearer instructions. De taking toe of the soap box ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] pseudo historic costume
If you mean the girl behind her in the photo, walking the green horse, then you wuz robbed! Nancy Kiel nancy_k...@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: lando...@netins.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 06:53:12 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] pseudo historic costume the only costume sewing I've done this year is for my daughter's 4H costume. http://www.flickr.com/photos/21642...@n06/4833605329/ She fit the costume and made the armor and accessories and cut out all the silver fabric applique. I had to iron it on because she melted the first one, and I sewed the seams just to save needles and/or a trip to the repair shop. (she's a rather careless seamstress) Sadly (for us), the girl behind her won the class Denise B Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT to Victorian re-enactors
One of my favorite books is Victorian Cakes by Caroline B. King. Its subtitle is A Reminiscence with Recipes, and it has some incredible recipes in it. ISBN is 0-201-19184-9, published by Aris Books which are published by Harris Publishing Co Inc 1621 5th St Berkeley CA 94710 415-527-5171. Mrs. Beeton (IMHO the ne plus ultra of Victorian cookbooks) has recipes for almond and for sugar icing, but her cake recipes don't mention anything like today's layer cakes, which is what would probably read best as cake for the modern audience. Nancy Kiel nancy_k...@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: ruthan...@mindspring.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 08:55:07 -0400 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT to Victorian re-enactors Hello the list: Getting ready to open The Importance of Being Earnest (I am director, costumer, and props person) and still have not settled on what Cecily cuts and serves a large piece of to Gwendolen during the tea scene: Cecily. [Severely.] Cake or bread and butter? Gwendolen. [In a bored manner.] Bread and butter, please. Cake is rarely seen at the best houses nowadays. Cecily. [Cuts a very large slice of cake, and puts it on the tray.] Hand that to Miss Fairfax. I have looked at people's Tea Party pages, cookbooks, and photos that come up on Google Image search, but I have not found what I consider a reliable image for the prop for this scene. Things come up anywhere from fancy cookies to huge decorated cakes reminiscent of diner dessert displays. I would welcome advice from any of the knowledgeable people on this list, particularly those who participate in Victorian tea parties or similar events. Earnest is 1895; Cecily Cardew is a wealthy young woman living in a manor house in the English countryside. Thanks in advance! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's on the horizon
But wouldn't it have been just as easy to actually make the clothes? Maybe they should try some Erte designsI believe quite a few of his designs were never made. Nancy Kiel nancy_k...@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:00:21 -0700 To: h-cost...@indra.com From: joa...@surewest.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's on the horizon At 01:41 AM 4/7/2009, you wrote: Take a look at this from MIRAlabs at the University of Geneva: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrJS72lkX_cNR=1 Then look at the finished product: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekc_9vPDbo8feature=related Back in 1997, I searched for graduate level programs to do this for costume and fashion. At the time, I couldn't find a program. MIRAlabs is working on a few more projects similar to this: http://www.miralab.unige.ch/ Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history Wow! That's impressive. And very lovely, too. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Darnley portrait
Hello, I am writing to inquire if anyone can direct me to a close-up of the Darnley portrait of Queen Elizabeth. I am intrigued by the trim on the front but can't see it well enough to see how it's made. Nancy Kiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. _ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet patternfrom Simpl...
I have to disagree with this part of your statementI'm smaller at the bust than at the hips, and the Regency look is VERY unflattering for me! Nancy Kiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. Well actually, I think women's real Regency is one of the easiest historic periods to sew, and not that hard to fit either. It's also comfortable to wear, it looks good on almost everyone, and it's often fairly inexpensive to make. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Update on silk chiffon and organza
How kind of you to do this! Nancy Kiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Update on silk chiffon and organza Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:40:41 -0600 (CST) I went over to the fabric store today and made a list of available colors. There were too many for me to want to buy on spec, but I'll be happy to pick up anything that anyone wants, and send it to you. Figure $3.50/yard INCLUDING postage. These are all 100% silk (or so the manufacturers claimed; there are occasional errors in labeling, but I think these are pretty safe). The chiffons are lightweight and flimsy; the organzas are lightweight and stiff. Widths range from 36 to 54 or so. IMPORTANT: Some of the bolts are very small, so for each one you're interested in give me a minimum (the least length you'd find useful) and a maximum (the amount you want if there's plenty). Send your shopping lists to me *privately*, not to the list please. I will head out there Wednesday afternoon and again on Thursday if necessary, The fabrics are disappearing rather fast. DO NOT FORWARD THIS NOTE ELSEWHERE. I'm willing to do this favor for my h-cost buddies, but I don't want to be personal shopper to the world. CHIFFONS -- smooth black dark brown medium brown blue-grey yellow pale pink pale blue wedgwood blue navy plum red rose peach beige CHIFFONS -- with a slight texture (not quite crinkled but very fine lines or ridges going warpwise) dark brown medium brown ivory mauve/rose green that's sort of a cross between sage and seafoam blue-grey kelly green peach ORGANZA olive green screaming hot pink gunmetal grey blue with a bit of a turquoise hint --Robin (what am I getting myself into?) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza
OK, how expensive (she asks, fearing the answer)? Nancy Kiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:46:17 +0100 Hi- Well i never dreamed of that it excisted either, untill i saw it with my own eyes. But it also is expensive... Bjarne - Original Message - From: Caroline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza I really haven't seen linen this fine in England. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. On 21/02/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yes that linen i told you about some time ago, that my embroidery shop has, is so fine that it actually is transparent. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] my first glove!
A book I found on glove making says to measure around the hand just above the thumb. Nancy Kiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first glove! Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 -0600 (CST) That is just fabulous!!! I really like this pattern. It is a copy of one of their 1947 sets that they published way back when. The thumb is the give away. Isn't that just the funkiest thumb you have ever seen? I love that suede. What Vogue means by S-M-L is that that our hand from finger tip to base of palm is either 6-7-8 inches in length OR it is 6-7-8 inches around at the fattest part of our hand. I am betting it is the fingertip measure. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories
How about approaching the fashion magazines, sewing magazines, or big design houses with a proposal? Or museums? Nancy Kiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:44:59 -0600 (CST) (He developed a reasonable familiarity with costume terms because of the nature of that work, but I would guess costume research doesn't pay the bills the way family history or heraldic research does.) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen
I was so annoyed at the poor acting, and their having cast and played Dudley as a sulky little boy, that I didn't even finish watching the first episode and remember very little about the costuming. Nancy Kiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:33:20 -0600 The series was on in the US back in November. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/virginqueen/index.html I enjoyed it, and can't say that any of the costumes stood out as being wrong while I was watching it. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Disposing of fabric
And if it's just too hideous to inflict upon humans, your local animal shelter would welcome it to use for bedding or just rags. The shelter is also a good place to donate clothes, towels, and sheets that are too worn out for people but still have some use in them. - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarkemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric At 11:24 05/12/2005, you wrote: Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble throwing away any but the smallest scraps! My local centre for the less able (!) is glad of scraps and odd buttons and scraps of lace, braid and so on for their craft projects, as is my local junior school (5-11 years.) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric
Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble throwing away any but the smallest scraps! - Original Message - From: E Housemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere) (The cloth, not the grandma.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats
I looked thru the Met's online info, and couldn't find the base. Can you offer guidance? - Original Message - From: WickedFraumailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats I'm not sure if you want organ pipe pleating or rolled pleats documentation, but if it is the former, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has a military base which is organ pipe pleated (Early 16th century). Blanche Paynes History of Costume has a discussion and a pattern for it. I've spent some time looking for an earlier word for them, but have not come up with it in English or German. The English word only goes back to to about 1890. The current German word Röhrenfalten doesn't appear in Grimm's etemological dictionary. I have queried both Leo online forums (back in March 05) and non-current German forum (just today): If you find anything, I'd sure like to hear about it. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT hardwood floors and bissels
I just bought a Bissell Flip-It, which vacuums with one side and washes dries with the other, and was underwhelmed. The vacuum isn't very powerful, and the washing side is great if your floors aren't really dirty. My next attempt will be with the Hoover version of the same idea. - Original Message - From: lindasternermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] hardwood floors and bissels I don`t know how well the bissels work on hardwood floors. We do use them on both carpet and tile floors at the restaurant. However.I really don`t know about dog hair either (no dogs have ever come into to eat there yet!!) :) Linda S. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc
I, too, would love a copy of the info on the shirts, when you have the time. - Original Message - From: Kathy Pagemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Hi Kimiko, Incidentally I do have this journal book, sent over about a year ago now. I had meant to translate it from Swedish, but other projects kept leaping into my way. It contains all 4 shirts from the Sture men found at Uppsala, complete with conservation diagrams on their construction. I can copy stuff from it if you wish. Give me a couple months to get the glut of stuff I have going on out of the way, and I might be able to do some translating as well. *I* personally don't speak the language fluently, but I have a friend in Saffle, Sweden that helps me along. I understand the museology terms, he gives me the raw information. Between the two of us, we come up with some fairly usable translations. Kathy But it gave me a name of a journal to hunt down, Journal of the Royal Armoury Vol IV: 8-9 (häfte 8-9) The article is titled Stureskjortorna and it was written by Anna-Maja Nylén. Do you or anyone else have this, seen this, and/or know what language it may be written in? I am presuming not English. Since you mentioned the shirt, do you have more info on the Sture shirt as well? It's never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.cahttp://autos.yahoo.ca/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery
I'm confused about the beads---my understanding of tambour embroidery is that basically you produce a chain stitch. Where do beads come into the picture? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Fencing (was: )
I made mine from wool, with a heavyweight cotton lining, after making sure the combo passed the punch test (repeated stabs from a broken blade). - Original Message - From: A. Thurmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Fencing (was: ) I think that both you and Jean are right Wendy. To bring the conversation back to costume, I'm considering making myself a fencing doublet similar to the ones in Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion, but using linen canvas rather than leather for economy. I want to make a few alterations of overlap and padding to match the safety features of a modern fencing jacket but otherwise stick with a period look and feel (all natural fibers, late 16th/early 17th c. silhouette). Has anyone tried this before? Allison T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
