Re: [h-cost] 1620s jacket vs waistcoat
Thank you everyone for your thoughts on this question. It has both been enlightening, and a bit frustrating, but in some ways that is not surprising. Thanks again, :-) Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1620s jacket vs waistcoat
According to a talk by Stuart Peachey which I heard last August, a waistcoat was a close-fitting sleeved upper garment worn by working women. Kimiko, the modern meaning of what Americans call a vest, as a man's garment, dates from the eighteenth century onwards. I think of a jacket in the seventeenth century context as the loose, often fur-trimmed women's garments often seen in Dutch genre paintings, but I don't know if that's a period term. The heavily embroidered ones from earlier in the century are also described as jackets in the modern context. My two penn'orth, Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor _ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. The policy is available here: http://www.derby.ac.uk/LIS/Email-Policy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1620s jacket vs waistcoat
Somewhere in my library there is a note re waistcoats and jackets that describes the diff as being with or without sleeves. Any one else have seen this listing? -Original Message- From: "Jill Hadfield" Sent 1/6/2011 6:27:46 PM To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620s jacket vs waistcoatAs far as I am aware, a waistcoat was a 'coat cut to the waist' i.e. a jacket. It would usually have sleeves but sometimes removable sleeves. These were worn by both men and women. Jill (who does 17th century living history, usually chopping onions, lots and lots of onions but sometimes making butter) :-D At 21:09 06/01/2011, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I've been reading through the old Plymouth Plantation embroidery >blog for their >reproduction embroidered jacket, and they were talking about waistcoats and >jackets, but in a way that made them seem interchangeable. I've >tried googling >their blog directly to see if they explain anywhere what the differences or >similarities are, but all I found was one article that mention jackets, while >the links themselves mention 3 waistcoats and 1 jacket. >http://thistle-threads.com.mytempweb.com/blog/index.php/2009/01/new-jackets-to-view/ > >There was an earlier article where they said that the women would wear their >smocks, petticoats and stays while indoors, but would not leave their homes >without wearing a waistcoat or a jacket. > >I had thought waistcoats were like vests, but this is a time period >that is new >to me so I am not sure what they meant by waistcoat. > >Would anyone here be able to explain what the differences are, if any? > >Thank you, > >Kimiko > > Kimiko Small >http://www.kimiko1.com >"Be the change you want to see in the world." ~ Ghandi > > >The Tudor Lady's Wardrobe pattern >http://www.margospatterns.com/ > > > > >___ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1620s jacket vs waistcoat
As far as I am aware, a waistcoat was a 'coat cut to the waist' i.e. a jacket. It would usually have sleeves but sometimes removable sleeves. These were worn by both men and women. Jill (who does 17th century living history, usually chopping onions, lots and lots of onions but sometimes making butter) :-D At 21:09 06/01/2011, you wrote: Hi all, I've been reading through the old Plymouth Plantation embroidery blog for their reproduction embroidered jacket, and they were talking about waistcoats and jackets, but in a way that made them seem interchangeable. I've tried googling their blog directly to see if they explain anywhere what the differences or similarities are, but all I found was one article that mention jackets, while the links themselves mention 3 waistcoats and 1 jacket. http://thistle-threads.com.mytempweb.com/blog/index.php/2009/01/new-jackets-to-view/ There was an earlier article where they said that the women would wear their smocks, petticoats and stays while indoors, but would not leave their homes without wearing a waistcoat or a jacket. I had thought waistcoats were like vests, but this is a time period that is new to me so I am not sure what they meant by waistcoat. Would anyone here be able to explain what the differences are, if any? Thank you, Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com "Be the change you want to see in the world." ~ Ghandi The Tudor Lady's Wardrobe pattern http://www.margospatterns.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 1620s jacket vs waistcoat
Hi all, I've been reading through the old Plymouth Plantation embroidery blog for their reproduction embroidered jacket, and they were talking about waistcoats and jackets, but in a way that made them seem interchangeable. I've tried googling their blog directly to see if they explain anywhere what the differences or similarities are, but all I found was one article that mention jackets, while the links themselves mention 3 waistcoats and 1 jacket. http://thistle-threads.com.mytempweb.com/blog/index.php/2009/01/new-jackets-to-view/ There was an earlier article where they said that the women would wear their smocks, petticoats and stays while indoors, but would not leave their homes without wearing a waistcoat or a jacket. I had thought waistcoats were like vests, but this is a time period that is new to me so I am not sure what they meant by waistcoat. Would anyone here be able to explain what the differences are, if any? Thank you, Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com "Be the change you want to see in the world." ~ Ghandi The Tudor Lady's Wardrobe pattern http://www.margospatterns.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
