Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
This is the translation used in Juan Alcega's's tailoring book for cutting small pieces, trim etc. out of the cabbage of left over fabric. Interesting! Sg On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.comwrote: On 4/19/2011 11:31 AM, Stacey Dunleavy wrote: The shoddy manufacturing is interesting - I was thinking pre-industrial revolution. I can't comprehend that cloth that had been painstakingly spun and woven would be simply stuffed inside a pillow. My modern mindset keeps thinking that the thrifty Medieval or Elizabethan housewife would at least save them for clothing repairs, or consoldated with other scraps for blankets. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, garbage, carbage and possibly cabbage were used in the 17th century to refer to stuffing (or interfacting?) materials. Herrick Hesper. (Hazl.) I. 79 Upon some Women, Pieces, patches, ropes of haire, In-laid garbage ev'rywhere. II. 325 Upon Lupes, His credit cannot get the inward carbage for his cloathes as yet. Regarding cabbage as a perk, early 18th century: Taylors are so called, because of their‥Love of that Vegetable. The Cloth they steal and purloin‥is also called Cabbage. Your taylor instead of shreads, cabages whole yards of cloath. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s clothing patterns! www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cabbage question
Of course, what was done with the cabbage? I can't see good wools being used for dustrags, yet there's no evidence of American-style patchwork quilting until the 18th Century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
Sometimes they were used as stuffing -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Dunleavy Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:39 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Cabbage question Of course, what was done with the cabbage? I can't see good wools being used for dustrags, yet there's no evidence of American-style patchwork quilting until the 18th Century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
Maybe shoddy and/or mungo? Benjamin Law developed a process of turning recycled old rags mixed with some virgin wool into shoddy around 1813. He was unable at the time to figure out a way of incorporating tailors' clippings into the process. This was figured out by his nephews several years later and was called mungo. By 1855, 35,000,000 pounds of rag were being sorted and processed into yarn to make mungo and shoddy. The making of shoddy and mungo is a similar process to the making of woolen and worsted, once the rags had been ground up and processed into yarn. From: http://www.maggieblanck.com/Land/Shoddy.html Dede O'Hair _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Stacey Dunleavy anastas...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stacey Dunleavy anastas...@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Cabbage question To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 1:39 PM Of course, what was done with the cabbage? I can't see good wools being used for dustrags, yet there's no evidence of American-style patchwork quilting until the 18th Century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
If nothing else - purses, trimmings, collar and cuff linings, modesties, cloth belts, hats, lesser-priced smaller garments (jupons, bodices, waistcoats) for children and smaller adults or even larger adults who didn't mind clever piecing. And don't forget, this applied to silks as well as wools and linens and also cottons when available. In short, _everything_; sometimes even including bits of ribbon and other woven edgings and cordings Buttons, hooks, etc. were priced by the each so there were no 'leftover' bits, there. YiS, Brenna / Genovefre / Rose / Europa - Original Message - From: Stacey Dunleavy anastas...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] Cabbage question Of course, what was done with the cabbage? I can't see good wools being used for dustrags, yet there's no evidence of American-style patchwork quilting until the 18th Century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cabbage question
The shoddy manufacturing is interesting - I was thinking pre-industrial revolution. I can't comprehend that cloth that had been painstakingly spun and woven would be simply stuffed inside a pillow. My modern mindset keeps thinking that the thrifty Medieval or Elizabethan housewife would at least save them for clothing repairs, or consoldated with other scraps for blankets. Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: WorkroomButtons.com westvillagedrap...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question Message-ID: 496935.32708...@web130220.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Maybe shoddy and/or mungo? Benjamin Law developed a process of turning recycled old rags mixed with some virgin wool into shoddy around 1813. He was unable at the time to figure out a way of incorporating tailors' clippings into the process. This was figured out by his nephews several years later and was called mungo. By 1855, 35,000,000 pounds of rag were being sorted and processed into yarn to make mungo and shoddy. The making of shoddy and mungo is a similar process to the making of woolen and worsted, once the rags had been ground up and processed into yarn. From:? http://www.maggieblanck.com/Land/Shoddy.html Dede O'Hair _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
Actually, I was originally hoping for some discussion on pre-Industrial shoddy fabric -- I was wondering if shoddy was even produced before the 19th Century. BUT... I think I answered my own question: according to The History of the Shoddy-Trade (1860) p.18, manual labor can not produce the force required for the process. So... it appears that shoddy was not made prior to the 1800's. Cite: http://books.google.com/books?id=vs4oYAAJprintsec=frontcoverdq=history+of+shoddysource=blots=1uWV0Cg6ZKsig=kxRFoaNHFM3qVPmcy-ijikIA6gchl=enei=kd-tTaOCMMXX0QGl0qi6Cwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=2ved=0CB0Q6AEwATgK#v=onepageqf=false ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
On 4/19/2011 11:31 AM, Stacey Dunleavy wrote: The shoddy manufacturing is interesting - I was thinking pre-industrial revolution. I can't comprehend that cloth that had been painstakingly spun and woven would be simply stuffed inside a pillow. My modern mindset keeps thinking that the thrifty Medieval or Elizabethan housewife would at least save them for clothing repairs, or consoldated with other scraps for blankets. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, garbage, carbage and possibly cabbage were used in the 17th century to refer to stuffing (or interfacting?) materials. Herrick Hesper. (Hazl.) I. 79 Upon some Women, Pieces, patches, ropes of haire, In-laid garbage ev'rywhere. II. 325 Upon Lupes, His credit cannot get the inward carbage for his cloathes as yet. Regarding cabbage as a perk, early 18th century: Taylors are so called, because of their‥Love of that Vegetable. The Cloth they steal and purloin‥is also called Cabbage. Your taylor instead of shreads, cabages whole yards of cloath. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s clothing patterns! www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
Don't forget pen wipers. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Dunleavy Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:39 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Cabbage question Of course, what was done with the cabbage? I can't see good wools being used for dustrags, yet there's no evidence of American-style patchwork quilting until the 18th Century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
From Dictionary.com: Origin: 1615–25; earlier carbage shred, piece of cloth, apparently variant of garbage wheat straw chopped small (obsolete sense) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
Or paper manufacturing. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: April-19-11 3:51 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question Don't forget pen wipers. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Dunleavy Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:39 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Cabbage question Of course, what was done with the cabbage? I can't see good wools being used for dustrags, yet there's no evidence of American-style patchwork quilting until the 18th Century. ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question
Hence to cabbage onto something? Kimberly Wageman-Prack 817-468-1498 817-454-4039 cell kpr...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:31:40 -0700 From: f...@lavoltapress.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cabbage question On 4/19/2011 11:31 AM, Stacey Dunleavy wrote: The shoddy manufacturing is interesting - I was thinking pre-industrial revolution. I can't comprehend that cloth that had been painstakingly spun and woven would be simply stuffed inside a pillow. My modern mindset keeps thinking that the thrifty Medieval or Elizabethan housewife would at least save them for clothing repairs, or consoldated with other scraps for blankets. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, garbage, carbage and possibly cabbage were used in the 17th century to refer to stuffing (or interfacting?) materials. Herrick Hesper. (Hazl.) I. 79 Upon some Women, Pieces, patches, ropes of haire, In-laid garbage ev'rywhere. II. 325 Upon Lupes, His credit cannot get the inward carbage for his cloathes as yet. Regarding cabbage as a perk, early 18th century: Taylors are so called, because of their‥Love of that Vegetable. The Cloth they steal and purloin‥is also called Cabbage. Your taylor instead of shreads, cabages whole yards of cloath. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s clothing patterns! www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
