RE: [h-cost] a question about museums
Goodness Gracious but I seem to be putting out a lot of grumpy posts lately. Museums and many "collections" make the money to allow them to be open at all from public donations, a tax stipend, or ticket sales. All of these come out of the public pocket. Those who will not allow a member of that public to take their own pictures without paying the high prices of a "professional" strike me as a bit "dog in the manger" types (sorry Bjarne, it's one of the Aesop tales - I'm sure it's familiar to you with different wording). When I took pictures in the Museum of Munich of the various garments on display the only thing that they required is that I not utilize a tripod or a flash. The guard in each room asked me to demonstrate that I had the flash "off" before I could take pictures in his room. That way the pieces were not being exposed to any more light than they ever were. I had two cameras with me. One was a regular Pentax camera with 1600 ASA film, but no flash attachment (he seemed to be a bit puzzled by that, I'm not sure he'd seen a film camera before) and a 5Megabyte Sony (?). I knew how to turn the flash on and off, something that too many idiot tourists didn't, or couldn't see why THEY should be restricted by such rules. Something I doubt that any on this list would give them a hassle about. My non flash pictures with the film camera came out better than I could actually see the items, which were kept in fairly dim rooms. I know that someone is going to point out that the money the museum earns from photographic reprints is a large part of their budget. This is all very well, but the pictures and other works of art and history are not THEIRS. They are caring for them for the people. Well, I'm one of the people too! If it weren't for me and people like me the items would be used to cover cabbages to keep them from frost. Civil Servant (I'm One) does not equate to Civil Master. The things in museums are financed with your money! Therefore it is not unreasonable for you to be allowed to photograph an item very carefully so that possibly hundreds of people could share your information and not just the few that manage to come through "their museum" every year! On the other hand I have been able to make arrangements with museums and libraries in Germany and England and have them fall all over themselves to help me get exactly what I wanted and allowed me to distribute as many copies as I wanted (free, of course) as long as I mentioned them, and gave their address. Wanda > > Hi, > Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a > photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be > expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. > I got the > feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. > These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but > beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the > seams. And > besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a > boatshaped > neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. > I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the > photo from > the book, because it is so beautifull. > > Bjarne > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] a question about museums
Hi, Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. I got the feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the seams. And besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a boatshaped neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the photo from the book, because it is so beautifull. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Kate Pinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Historical Costume'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums A lot of times it's pricey because they don't have a professional photographer on staff and to have one come in and do a set-up just for one object costs them a lot. Kate 609-570-3584 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums Museums are kinda weird this way. The Phoenix Art Museum for instance has no photograph what so ever of the portrait of the dress I am recreating..you'd think they'd photograph everything just for insurance purposes. I'd contact the museum. Often, they will photograph the article if you are willing to pay for it. It can be pricey. The Norton Simon Museum offered to do this for me on a particular portrait. They wanted $100 6 years ago. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] a question about museums
A lot of times it's pricey because they don't have a professional photographer on staff and to have one come in and do a set-up just for one object costs them a lot. Kate 609-570-3584 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums Museums are kinda weird this way. The Phoenix Art Museum for instance has no photograph what so ever of the portrait of the dress I am recreating..you'd think they'd photograph everything just for insurance purposes. I'd contact the museum. Often, they will photograph the article if you are willing to pay for it. It can be pricey. The Norton Simon Museum offered to do this for me on a particular portrait. They wanted $100 6 years ago. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] a question about museums
Museums are kinda weird this way. The Phoenix Art Museum for instance has no photograph what so ever of the portrait of the dress I am recreating..you'd think they'd photograph everything just for insurance purposes. I'd contact the museum. Often, they will photograph the article if you are willing to pay for it. It can be pricey. The Norton Simon Museum offered to do this for me on a particular portrait. They wanted $100 6 years ago. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] a question about museums
It depends on whether the museum has photos or slides available of objects. Besides postcards and prints, some museums have professionally made slides of various objects. f they have them, they will sell them! :-) It's a question for the specific museum. If you wanted someone to take photos just for you, that may be a bit more difficult to arrange. -Carol On Nov 26, 2006, at 5:00 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I went to se the Marie Antoinette movie last week, and my eyes fell on a gentlemans suit. It was copyed from Revolution in Fashion from Kyoto. After the movie all i could think about was i want to embroider that suit two, i tryed to photograph from the book and make a pattern repeat of the embroidery, and i can, but its impossible to se how big the embroidery is. Do you think the museum would let me buy a photo of the embroidery and also meassures of the embroidery, (how wide it is)? Next i think about, maybe the museum dont have any pictures at all, maybe it was the makers of the books who owns the pictures? I was very surprised recently when i asked a museum in Gotland, Sweden about a pair of stays in their collection, i noticed it in a new swedish book. When i contakted the museum, they didnt have any pictures of it. Japan is way out of my budget to travel to just for that. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] a question about museums
Hi, This is the website from the Kyoto Costume institute. http://www.kci.or.jp/menu-e.html They have a huge digital collection. Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I went to se the Marie Antoinette movie last week, and my eyes fell on a gentlemans suit. It was copyed from Revolution in Fashion from Kyoto. After the movie all i could think about was i want to embroider that suit two, i tryed to photograph from the book and make a pattern repeat of the embroidery, and i can, but its impossible to se how big the embroidery is. Do you think the museum would let me buy a photo of the embroidery and also meassures of the embroidery, (how wide it is)? Next i think about, maybe the museum dont have any pictures at all, maybe it was the makers of the books who owns the pictures? I was very surprised recently when i asked a museum in Gotland, Sweden about a pair of stays in their collection, i noticed it in a new swedish book. When i contakted the museum, they didnt have any pictures of it. Japan is way out of my budget to travel to just for that. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] a question about museums
Hi, I went to se the Marie Antoinette movie last week, and my eyes fell on a gentlemans suit. It was copyed from Revolution in Fashion from Kyoto. After the movie all i could think about was i want to embroider that suit two, i tryed to photograph from the book and make a pattern repeat of the embroidery, and i can, but its impossible to se how big the embroidery is. Do you think the museum would let me buy a photo of the embroidery and also meassures of the embroidery, (how wide it is)? Next i think about, maybe the museum dont have any pictures at all, maybe it was the makers of the books who owns the pictures? I was very surprised recently when i asked a museum in Gotland, Sweden about a pair of stays in their collection, i noticed it in a new swedish book. When i contakted the museum, they didnt have any pictures of it. Japan is way out of my budget to travel to just for that. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
