Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes
My thanks for all the information. I've gotten a pretty good idea of the gowns, but still don't have a good notion of the hoods. Does anyone have good pictures of their own doctoral hoods? Thanks! Althea On Feb 8, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Susan wrote: Hi, Has anyone pointed you to this yet? http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/occupationaluniforms.htm Susan - Original Message - From: "Althea Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes hello all, I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for patterns? Thank you! Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes - robes for 15th/16th C. Barber Surgeons, Chirugeons, & Notaries
Hello Julian, I will keep an eye out for anything suitable for you, but so many of those images of men in general are wearing black, so details are very difficult to determine. Have you been able to find any effigies or brass memorials? Kimiko julian wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: REQUEST FOR HELP, PLEASE Gentles of the Historical Costume List, can any Listers direct me to clear contemporary illustrations of the over-robes worn for "normal day wear" by late-medieval professionals such as Barber-Surgeons, Chirugeons, and Notaries? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] historic academic robes - robes for 15th/16th C. Barber Surgeons, Chirugeons, & Notaries
Susan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Has anyone pointed you to this yet? http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/occupationaluniforms.htm REQUEST FOR HELP, PLEASE Gentles of the Historical Costume List, can any Listers direct me to clear contemporary illustrations of the over-robes worn for "normal day wear" by late-medieval professionals such as Barber-Surgeons, Chirugeons, and Notaries? From the few illustrations I've been able to find so far, - any prosperous middle-class man seems to have worn some variation on a long - just-above-the-ankles, heavy-looking robe, of some dark fabric, trimmed with fur around the neck, sleeve-cuffs or armholes, vertical front closure hems; and bottom hem. I am already aware of the Holbein portrait of "King Henry VIII with the College of Barber Surgeons". Unfortunately, the digitised versions I've been able to access are too dark to be able to see much clothing detail on the Barber Surgeons' robes. I've looked quickly at the website posted by Susan [see above] for another enquirer, - but couldn't see any sub-headings relevant to my own search for pictures clear enough to enable me to acquire/make such a robe for my own future use in a portrayal of a Barber-Surgeon of the period 1490-1509. Your help is humbly solicited, and will be most gratefully received. YIS, Matthew Baker, isolated from the SCA mainstream in "old" Jersey. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes
Hi, Has anyone pointed you to this yet? http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/occupationaluniforms.htm Susan - Original Message - From: "Althea Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes > hello all, > I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my > graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, > or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for > patterns? Thank you! > > Althea Turner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have > company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into > anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the > reasons behind things." > William of Conches, 12th century > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes
In a message dated 2/7/2007 3:45:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the "schaube" (gown) may be in Patterns of Fashion. You don't have to scale up the little pieces, though. If you start with a yoked shirt pattern to make the yoke, the rest of the gown just falls into place. And isn't there a pattern for a "long gown" is Jean Hunnisette's book. Just cartridge pleat the back and front long parts onto the yolk and add wide cartridge pleated sleeves and voila! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes
If you're looking for a modern pattern as a starting point, the major pattern catalogues all had a choir/clerical robe with a square yoke and a full body and sleeves pleated/gathered in. Good luck with the project, -Helen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes
On Feb 6, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for patterns? Either look into the Janet Arnold 'Patterns of Fashion' covering the Renaissance, or ask on a Harry Potter costume forum like [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I think the "schaube" (gown) may be in Patterns of Fashion. You don't have to scale up the little pieces, though. If you start with a yoked shirt pattern to make the yoke, the rest of the gown just falls into place. -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ San Jose, CA - '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) - '92 K75sa '03 R1150R (Kevin's) "It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." --Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right hand Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes
Alcega? ;o) Seriously, though, if you're thinking "regular commercial pattern," I really haven't seen anything out there that might qualify as a pattern for academic robes. Doesn't mean it's not out there, just that I, myself, haven't seen it. Good luck, though, and congrats on graduating! --Sue - Original Message - From: "Althea Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes > hello all, > I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my > graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, > or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for > patterns? Thank you! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes
I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for patterns? Either look into the Janet Arnold 'Patterns of Fashion' covering the Renaissance, or ask on a Harry Potter costume forum like [EMAIL PROTECTED] . ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] historic academic robes
hello all, I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for patterns? Thank you! Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
