RE: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?
Dear Chris. In Redwood City, there is a place called Allen Steel. It has tons of metal stuff, from and old submarine (small sized) to rolls of metals, some very thin. Inexpensive, too. 650-369-2526. I'd be happy to check it out for you if you let me know what you're interested in. Sharon (from the St. George group) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Laning Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i > might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were > called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in > different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you > know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary > scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. > Also how would you make the holes for sewing? Hi Bjarne -- Yes, I'm on this list, and here's the information on my experiments making paillettes or bezants: A short report and a couple of photos of my first efforts (and a very nice medieval original!): http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm Here are the articles I wrote for our local Needleworkers' Guild newsletter: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/stars_spangles_studs.html http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/bezants_decorating.html I am going to be teaching two classes on making bezants in July (sorry, Bjarne, they're in California! :) so I've been looking for a less expensive source of metal. Both of the Internet addresses in the "Make your own Bezants" article seem to have what I need, in both gold (brass) color and silver (aluminum) color. Of course they are both in the USA, but perhaps you can print out the information and look for other places that have the same thing. This stuff is really easy to use -- you can cut it with ordinary scissors and make holes with an ordinary large sewing needle. Good luck! 0 Chris Laning | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?
Try tracing the shape with a ballpoint pen. Press hard, while working on a padded surface. Then cut on the lines. You can also color the metal, my kids use permanent markers, gives a nice translucent, jewel-like look. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:48 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? Hi Heather, Thanks for your valuable informations. I went to a craftstore, after work today, and found stainless steel plates. They are just the thickness i want. I just cut out a flower with my scissors, worked ok, but it is a little difficult. Then i hammered holes with a nail and hammer, worked fine two. Its very difficult to draw the shape to the steel because it goes away when i touch with my fingers, but i thoaght about tracing the flower to painting tape, wich i then will take over the steel, and then cut out. Then remove the tape after. I can imagine it is better to stamp out the shapes, but i want a particular shape, because i want the same as an embroidered suit has, guess my skills will improve with the numbers i make. Thanks a lot for your help Heather... Bjarne - Original Message - From: "heather jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? > On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i >> might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. >> These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different >> shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this >> material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am >> in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. >> Also how would you make the holes for sewing? >> I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers >> i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be >> more flat. >> Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! >> > > I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give > a > better answer than me on her experiments with these. She has been having > some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval > names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes. To make the > shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of > the same types of shapes that were used historically for these. You place > the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little. A > thick piece of leather works very well. Then stamp the shapes using the > stamps and a hammer. After that you can cut them out of the sheet using > ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric > again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, > again using the leather as a backing. It seems to work best if you stamp > all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the > same time. Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same > technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with > silver-plated brass or copper. > > Heather > -- > !! Computer crash lost recent e-mail -- please contact if I owe you mail > !! > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > heatherrosejones.com > lj:hrj > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?
On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i > might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were > called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in > different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you > know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary > scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. > Also how would you make the holes for sewing? Hi Bjarne -- Yes, I'm on this list, and here's the information on my experiments making paillettes or bezants: A short report and a couple of photos of my first efforts (and a very nice medieval original!): http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm Here are the articles I wrote for our local Needleworkers' Guild newsletter: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/stars_spangles_studs.html http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/bezants_decorating.html I am going to be teaching two classes on making bezants in July (sorry, Bjarne, they're in California! :) so I've been looking for a less expensive source of metal. Both of the Internet addresses in the "Make your own Bezants" article seem to have what I need, in both gold (brass) color and silver (aluminum) color. Of course they are both in the USA, but perhaps you can print out the information and look for other places that have the same thing. This stuff is really easy to use -- you can cut it with ordinary scissors and make holes with an ordinary large sewing needle. Good luck! 0 Chris Laning | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?
On 6/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. Bjarne, Paillettes, bezants, there's lots of names for those things. To make your own, I would use jewelers shears. Probably the handheld snips are enough for your soft thin silver sheets. They're like tin-snips, but small size for detail work. Short blades so you dont have to force the cut & miss your aim. http://www.contenti.com/products/shears.html http://www.contenti.com/products/shears/410-909.html Here's a picture. I've never purchased from this dealer. It's just the clearest image I cound quickly. Click the enlarge bttn to see the curved point snips that would be nice for your leaves. Also how would you make the holes for sewing? I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be more flat. Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! For piercing, I'd use a tiny center punch & small hammer. Place the silver sheet on a wood block, of course, so as not to destroy your dining room table. After you make the hole, I'd run the tiniest rat-tail file in the hole to smooth the edges. Otherwise the rough hole might cut your thread. Again, these are common jewelers tools. Small punch: http://www.contenti.com/products/punches-stamps/380-845.html This site calls rat-tail file a needle file instead: http://www.contenti.com/products/files/231-435-1_0.html All I ever want is pictures of your work... this latest project sounds delicious! --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?
Instead of scissors, you could maybe try using tin snips. They can cut pretty thick metal, so it might be easier on your hands to use those. Natalie - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? Hi Heather, Thanks for your valuable informations. I went to a craftstore, after work today, and found stainless steel plates. They are just the thickness i want. I just cut out a flower with my scissors, worked ok, but it is a little difficult. Then i hammered holes with a nail and hammer, worked fine two. Its very difficult to draw the shape to the steel because it goes away when i touch with my fingers, but i thoaght about tracing the flower to painting tape, wich i then will take over the steel, and then cut out. Then remove the tape after. I can imagine it is better to stamp out the shapes, but i want a particular shape, because i want the same as an embroidered suit has, guess my skills will improve with the numbers i make. Thanks a lot for your help Heather... Bjarne - Original Message - From: "heather jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? > On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i >> might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. >> These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different >> shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this >> material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am >> in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. >> Also how would you make the holes for sewing? >> I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers >> i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be >> more flat. >> Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! >> > > I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give a > better answer than me on her experiments with these. She has been having > some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval > names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes. To make the > shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of > the same types of shapes that were used historically for these. You place > the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little. A > thick piece of leather works very well. Then stamp the shapes using the > stamps and a hammer. After that you can cut them out of the sheet using > ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric > again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, > again using the leather as a backing. It seems to work best if you stamp > all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the > same time. Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same > technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with > silver-plated brass or copper. > > Heather > -- > !! Computer crash lost recent e-mail -- please contact if I owe you mail > !! > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > heatherrosejones.com > lj:hrj > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?
Hi Heather, Thanks for your valuable informations. I went to a craftstore, after work today, and found stainless steel plates. They are just the thickness i want. I just cut out a flower with my scissors, worked ok, but it is a little difficult. Then i hammered holes with a nail and hammer, worked fine two. Its very difficult to draw the shape to the steel because it goes away when i touch with my fingers, but i thoaght about tracing the flower to painting tape, wich i then will take over the steel, and then cut out. Then remove the tape after. I can imagine it is better to stamp out the shapes, but i want a particular shape, because i want the same as an embroidered suit has, guess my skills will improve with the numbers i make. Thanks a lot for your help Heather... Bjarne - Original Message - From: "heather jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. Also how would you make the holes for sewing? I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be more flat. Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give a better answer than me on her experiments with these. She has been having some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes. To make the shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of the same types of shapes that were used historically for these. You place the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little. A thick piece of leather works very well. Then stamp the shapes using the stamps and a hammer. After that you can cut them out of the sheet using ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, again using the leather as a backing. It seems to work best if you stamp all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the same time. Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with silver-plated brass or copper. Heather -- !! Computer crash lost recent e-mail -- please contact if I owe you mail !! [EMAIL PROTECTED] heatherrosejones.com lj:hrj ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?
On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. Also how would you make the holes for sewing? I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be more flat. Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give a better answer than me on her experiments with these. She has been having some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes. To make the shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of the same types of shapes that were used historically for these. You place the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little. A thick piece of leather works very well. Then stamp the shapes using the stamps and a hammer. After that you can cut them out of the sheet using ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, again using the leather as a backing. It seems to work best if you stamp all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the same time. Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with silver-plated brass or copper. Heather -- !! Computer crash lost recent e-mail -- please contact if I owe you mail !! [EMAIL PROTECTED] heatherrosejones.com lj:hrj ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?
Hi, In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. Also how would you make the holes for sewing? I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be more flat. Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
