RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question
Thank you. This explains much. I also remember being told that Trigger was better then Duck in keeping it's colors because it was Polyester (I guess they should have said mostly polyester) Thank you for the clarification. De -Original Message- Trigger started out as the proprietary name for a bottom weight poly cotton. It has gotten generalized in the same way as Klenex or Xerox. Wendy Colbert Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah -Original Message- >"Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any >fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. >Joan Jurancich >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question
Trigger started out as the proprietary name for a bottom weight poly cotton. It has gotten generalized in the same way as Klenex or Xerox. Wendy Colbert Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah -Original Message- >From: Joan Jurancich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Dec 24, 2005 10:55 PM >To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question >"Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any >fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. > > >Joan Jurancich >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question
Whenever I've seen it at my JoAnn's, trigger is 65% polyester/35% cotton and duck is 100% cotton. On 12/24/05, otsisto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed > that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." > This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. > Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber > content and get everything but the material. > De > > -Original Message- > but usually uses cotton > Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). > > Gail Finke > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question
At 05:48 PM 12/24/2005, you wrote: For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber content and get everything but the material. De -Original Message- but usually uses cotton Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). Gail Finke "Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question
For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber content and get everything but the material. De -Original Message- but usually uses cotton Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question
From: "Gail & Scott Finke" call them. I am not a fan of the Period Patterns pattern, but it works and looks fine, and is a good place to start if you don't want to draft a pattern. My husband likes a much more fitted look, more like the Charles le Blois pourpoint, but the construction methods are similar: I too find the Period Pattern difficult to work with because of it's shape. The armhole is a little on the large and modern side. That and I had to take in a really large wadge of fabric at the back waist level to get it to hang correctly on my spouse...about a 15cm pinch. I haven't found a comercial pattern yet, that I'm happy with for this garment, but will keep looking. If using this pattern, make a mock up first, just in case.;-> Gambesons get very dirty, and they often rip from repeated sword blows and (more likely) wear from armor. They are not beautiful garments for long, even if they start out that way! The gambeson should be washable, to protect the wearer from any nasty fungi that grow on his armour. Pierre's is made of linen with a cotton wadding interlining, and is machine washable, hang to dry...which is a good thing as he soaks through it every fight practice. He has also taken to wearing the new underarmour, under the gambeson, but still washes his gambeson after every fight practice. ( I say this, because a friend almost lost his arm to a rather nasty infection due to unclean armour...it doesn't take much.) His has become rust stained in places, but that adds to the look, not detracts. As for it holding up...it's now over two years old and still going strong. It was hand quilted and seams were machine sewn, with the inside armscye hand finished...that's the only place that has needed a touch up. Get a good, tightly woven fabric and you should be fine...just read in Juan d'Alcega's book that quilters often take up three finger widths when quilting up...good rule of thumb, pardon the pun. Cut an extra seam allowance when quilting. Hopefully I make sense, I have a nasty migraine...UG! Kelly/estela ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question
That'd be quite the garment...even with very fine linen! Kelly/estela - Original Message - From: "Marc Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They require up to 30 layers of linen with a final layer of staghide. Marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question
> You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They > require up to 30 layers > of linen with a final layer of staghide. > > Marc Gosh, Marc, you come up with some of the most interesting sources. Thank you. And hopefully any source containing the ordinances will have footnotes & lead to more interesting sources. Ann in CT __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
