RE: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-09 Thread Danielle Nunn-Weinberg
I don't know exactly when they started being worn but there is a 
famous portrait miniature of Henry VIII's illegitimate son Henry 
Fitzroy wearing one.  Oh, now that I think of it, I seem to remember 
a number of 15th century French illuminations depicting people in bed 
wearing them, as well...  At that time they would have most likely 
been made of linen, but it is rather difficult to generalize about 
construction.  I seem to remember some of the extant ones I've seen 
in the VA being of a four panel construction, tapering to a point at 
the crown.if that makes any sense.  I don't remember seeing any 
ties but then I wasn't looking for any.


Cheers,
Danielle

At 09:58 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote:


Here's a suitably esoteric question for this group.  Night caps.  As in,
Mama in her kerchief and I in my cap
 had just settled down for a long winter's nap

When were they worn?  What were they made of ?  How were they 
contructed?  How did they stay on?


I'm assuming they may have been worn any time that fires were the 
only source of home heating, but I have only seen images from late 
1800's and early 1900's.  I'd like to make some.

Anyone know?

Laurie


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RE: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-09 Thread Sharon Collier
That sounds like a biggin. 

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In a message dated 11/8/2007 6:02:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Also  17th and 18th century 


And I'd say as far back as medieval. You can see them in illustrations
sometimes. Of course I can't think of any now, but I remember doing a show
and making a simple linen one to be worn under a broad brimmed hat. I saw it
in an illumination. It had long ties [untied and hanging] that would tie
under the chin. And of course this was a man out and about in the day, but
the same kind of close coif-like cap could serve the purpose of a night
cap...which was  to keep your head warm. It covered his ears.
 
For all we know the Roman could have worn them. I mean, think about it.
Such a useful item before central heating.



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Re: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-09 Thread AlbertCat
 
In a message dated 11/9/2007 10:10:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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That  sounds like a biggin. 



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: _CAP _ (javascript:lookWord('cap');) : a : a  child's cap b : _NIGHTCAP _ 
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Re: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-08 Thread AlbertCat
 
In a message dated 11/8/2007 6:02:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Also  17th and 18th century 


And I'd say as far back as medieval. You can see them in illustrations  
sometimes. Of course I can't think of any now, but I remember doing a show and  
making a simple linen one to be worn under a broad brimmed hat. I saw it in an  
illumination. It had long ties [untied and hanging] that would tie under the  
chin. And of course this was a man out and about in the day, but the same kind  
of close coif-like cap could serve the purpose of a night cap...which was  to 
keep your head warm. It covered his ears.
 
For all we know the Roman could have worn them. I mean, think about it.  Such 
a useful item before central heating.



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RE: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-08 Thread Jane Stockton

At 02:58 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote:


Here's a suitably esoteric question for this group.  Night caps.  As in,
Mama in her kerchief and I in my cap
 had just settled down for a long winter's nap

When were they worn?  What were they made of ?  How were they 
contructed?  How did they stay on?


I'm assuming they may have been worn any time that fires were the 
only source of home heating, but I have only seen images from late 
1800's and early 1900's.  I'd like to make some.

Anyone know?

Laurie


Well, they must have been fairly common in the Elizabethan period as 
there are quite a few surviving examples in museums of highly 
embroidered nightcaps.


Try searching the VA, Cleveland Museum of Art, and the MFA Boston. 
They all have online images.


For construction - 
http://katerina.purplefiles.net/art%26scribes/Embroid/nightcap.htm


Cheers,
Jane



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Re: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-08 Thread Susan C

Here's a suitably esoteric question for this group.  Night caps.  As in,
   Mama in her kerchief and I in my cap
had just settled down for a long winter's nap

When were they worn?  What were they made of ?  How were they contructed? 
How did they stay on?


-

My dad stills wears them and my mom makes them for him out of flannel.  Last 
time they visited he left one behind. This one is cut on the fold and it 
looks a bit like a quarter circle pie shaped piece, except it is a bit flat 
on top and still sloping outward slightly at the bottom. There is one flat 
felled seam and a hem of about an inch and a half.  It's a bit loose when he 
wears it and near as I knew he just puts it on and it stays on.


Susan in Bellevue, WA. 


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Re: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-08 Thread Leif og Bjarne Drews

Hi,
Also 17th and 18th century have some very nice night caps survived.
If you would like to try to embroider an 18th century one, there is a 
gorgeous pattern in the book Costume Close Up from Colonial Williamsburg. 
It has the draft of the embroidery two.
Night caps were used by men, not only when they went to bed, but also when 
they were relaxed at home, wearing a banyan (house coat). In 18th century 
they were ideal, because when mundane, they didnt have to wear a wig, but 
could use the night cap in stead. They were made with manny beautifull 
embroideries, with polycrome collours and the banyans was also very 
collourfull.


Bjarne



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RE: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-08 Thread zelda crusher

 Well, they must have been fairly common in the Elizabethan period as  there 
 are quite a few surviving examples in museums of highly  embroidered 
 nightcaps.  Try searching the VA, Cleveland Museum of Art, and the MFA 
 Boston.  They all have online images.  For construction -  
 http://katerina.purplefiles.net/art%26scribes/Embroid/nightcap.htm 
This is fantastic, thanks Jane!
 
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RE: [h-cost]Night caps

2007-11-08 Thread zelda crusher

So it looks as though I'd be safe using a basic coif pattern with ties (my hair 
is very slippery).
It seems I may have been wrong about the time period I quoted originally, 
though.  I did a google and found 2 New York Times articles from 1883 and 1884 
(related one to the other) about a doctor who suggested going back to wearing 
night caps like our grandfather's did in order to eliminate dreaming and have 
peaceful sleep.  The second article states that the author has tried this and 
indeed it works, altho men are no more likely to wear a night cap than women 
are to wear sensible footwear.
 
There was also a reference to gentlemen wearing them as Bjarne suggests, not as 
sleepwear, but as informal dress at home during the day.  I hadn't considered 
the wig issue!
 
Thanks all,
Laurie
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