Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet?
Calash, from the French caleche (with accents I don't know how to add in email)--from the carriage of the same name with a similar collapsible top. But where that term for the carriage came from, I don't know. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Bambi TBNL To: h-costume Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:54 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet? Calacsh? Or calabash? I believe i have heard that term ib Europe ( a la.ge umpkin like vegetable) used for a bubble like shaped like bonnet from the late 700s early 1100 . On my phone i Cant be more specific than that. Original Message- ate: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:51:13 pm o: "Historical Costume" rom: "Cin" ubject: Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet? Could it be a calash that you're looking for? It's a 18th c thing. an we have a picture of the item you're trying to date? -cin ynthia Barnes inbar...@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Suzanne wrote: Hello 19th century experts! I'm trying to date a bonnet which was donated to he museum where I work -- but 19th century bonnets are not my area of xpertise. The donors called this a "pumpkin" bonnet from "early 1800s" but I ave doubts about that, and the only similar examples I found in a quick nternet search were American Civil War era. I'm inclined to go with a "circa 860" date but I'd be delighted to hear from someone who actually knows omething! :-) The bonnet is made of brown silk, constructed in concentric rows of thick uching, with tiny bows at the top center of each row, and a short bavolet. It's softer and more spherical in shape than this one (because the back is less efined and the bavolet is not as heavily gathered): http:// ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet?
Calacsh? Or calabash? I believe i have heard that term ib Europe ( a la.ge pumpkin like vegetable) used for a bubble like shaped like bonnet from the late 1700s early 1100 . On my phone i Cant be more specific than that. -Original Message- Date: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:51:13 pm To: "Historical Costume" From: "Cin" Subject: Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet? Could it be a calash that you're looking for? It's a 18th c thing. Can we have a picture of the item you're trying to date? --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Suzanne wrote: > Hello 19th century experts! I'm trying to date a bonnet which was donated to > the museum where I work -- but 19th century bonnets are not my area of > expertise. The donors called this a "pumpkin" bonnet from "early 1800s" but > I have doubts about that, and the only similar examples I found in a quick > internet search were American Civil War era. I'm inclined to go with a > "circa 1860" date but I'd be delighted to hear from someone who actually > knows something! :-) > > The bonnet is made of brown silk, constructed in concentric rows of thick > ruching, with tiny bows at the top center of each row, and a short bavolet. > It's softer and more spherical in shape than this one (because the back is > less defined and the bavolet is not as heavily gathered): > > http:// ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet
We have two calashes so I'm familiar with "ugly". (Most of our collection is post-1850... and strongest in the 1880-1980 timeframe… but we have a few representative pieces from earlier decades.) The brown silk bonnet is smaller, and squishable, and I'm beginning to wonder if it lost its lining somewhere along the way -- or could it be a child's bonnet? It's just so darn shapeless! We took some photos but it turned out too orange-y so I'll try again next week. Thanks, Suzanne On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet? > Date: March 22, 2012 10:25:02 PM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > At 07:29 PM 3/22/2012, you wrote: >> Hello 19th century experts! I'm trying to date a bonnet which was donated >> to the museum where I work -- but 19th century bonnets are not my area of >> expertise. The donors called this a "pumpkin" bonnet from "early 1800s" but >> I have doubts about that, and the only similar examples I found in a quick >> internet search were American Civil War era. I'm inclined to go with a >> "circa 1860" date but I'd be delighted to hear from someone who actually >> knows something! :-) >> >> The bonnet is made of brown silk, constructed in concentric rows of thick >> ruching, with tiny bows at the top center of each row, and a short bavolet. >> It's softer and more spherical in shape than this one (because the back is >> less defined and the bavolet is not as heavily gathered): >> >> http://darlinganddash.com/bonnetcardboard.html >> >> I don't yet have a picture of our bonnet -- but go ahead and make >> suggestions anyway. No matter what, I'll learn something! >> Thanks, >> Suzanne > > Your description sounds like it might be an "ugly" from the first half of the > 1800s or late 1790s. An ugly was worn to protect the relatively high coiffure > and cap when travelling; it could very well look something like a pumpkin. > It was usually constructed with caning (or wires). > > > Joan Jurancich > joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet?
Could it be a calash that you're looking for? It's a 18th c thing. Can we have a picture of the item you're trying to date? --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Suzanne wrote: > Hello 19th century experts! I'm trying to date a bonnet which was donated to > the museum where I work -- but 19th century bonnets are not my area of > expertise. The donors called this a "pumpkin" bonnet from "early 1800s" but > I have doubts about that, and the only similar examples I found in a quick > internet search were American Civil War era. I'm inclined to go with a > "circa 1860" date but I'd be delighted to hear from someone who actually > knows something! :-) > > The bonnet is made of brown silk, constructed in concentric rows of thick > ruching, with tiny bows at the top center of each row, and a short bavolet. > It's softer and more spherical in shape than this one (because the back is > less defined and the bavolet is not as heavily gathered): > > http://darlinganddash.com/bonnetcardboard.html > > I don't yet have a picture of our bonnet -- but go ahead and make suggestions > anyway. No matter what, I'll learn something! > Thanks, > Suzanne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet?
Yes, I thought of Uglies, too, but the one link she supplied made it seem slightly different (way more constructed) than those, which were usually collapsable, weren't they? Just cane bows with a fabric cover & lining, kind of like a covered wagon top ;) ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Joan Jurancich wrote: At 07:29 PM 3/22/2012, you wrote: Hello 19th century experts! I'm trying to date a bonnet which was donated to the museum where I work -- but 19th century bonnets are not my area of expertise. The donors called this a "pumpkin" bonnet from "early 1800s" but I have doubts about that, and the only similar examples I found in a quick internet search were American Civil War era. I'm inclined to go with a "circa 1860" date but I'd be delighted to hear from someone who actually knows something! :-) The bonnet is made of brown silk, constructed in concentric rows of thick ruching, with tiny bows at the top center of each row, and a short bavolet. It's softer and more spherical in shape than this one (because the back is less defined and the bavolet is not as heavily gathered): http://darlinganddash.com/bonnetcardboard.html I don't yet have a picture of our bonnet -- but go ahead and make suggestions anyway. No matter what, I'll learn something! Thanks, Suzanne Your description sounds like it might be an "ugly" from the first half of the 1800s or late 1790s. An ugly was worn to protect the relatively high coiffure and cap when travelling; it could very well look something like a pumpkin. It was usually constructed with caning (or wires). Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet?
At 07:29 PM 3/22/2012, you wrote: Hello 19th century experts! I'm trying to date a bonnet which was donated to the museum where I work -- but 19th century bonnets are not my area of expertise. The donors called this a "pumpkin" bonnet from "early 1800s" but I have doubts about that, and the only similar examples I found in a quick internet search were American Civil War era. I'm inclined to go with a "circa 1860" date but I'd be delighted to hear from someone who actually knows something! :-) The bonnet is made of brown silk, constructed in concentric rows of thick ruching, with tiny bows at the top center of each row, and a short bavolet. It's softer and more spherical in shape than this one (because the back is less defined and the bavolet is not as heavily gathered): http://darlinganddash.com/bonnetcardboard.html I don't yet have a picture of our bonnet -- but go ahead and make suggestions anyway. No matter what, I'll learn something! Thanks, Suzanne Your description sounds like it might be an "ugly" from the first half of the 1800s or late 1790s. An ugly was worn to protect the relatively high coiffure and cap when travelling; it could very well look something like a pumpkin. It was usually constructed with caning (or wires). Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] "pumpkin" bonnet?
Here's a link: http://www.ageofantiquity.com/millinery.html Scroll down to the 1840s pink silk bonnet and there's your shape-- or at least the shape of the cardboard one you linked to. By the 1850s, brims were shorter, and in the 60s very short indeed, and a different shape. However, quilted bonnets in the shape shown by your link were still worn for winter protection. They were usually updated in shape to whatever decade they were from, but not always. ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Suzanne wrote: Hello 19th century experts! I'm trying to date a bonnet which was donated to the museum where I work -- but 19th century bonnets are not my area of expertise. The donors called this a "pumpkin" bonnet from "early 1800s" but I have doubts about that, and the only similar examples I found in a quick internet search were American Civil War era. I'm inclined to go with a "circa 1860" date but I'd be delighted to hear from someone who actually knows something! :-) The bonnet is made of brown silk, constructed in concentric rows of thick ruching, with tiny bows at the top center of each row, and a short bavolet. It's softer and more spherical in shape than this one (because the back is less defined and the bavolet is not as heavily gathered): http://darlinganddash.com/bonnetcardboard.html I don't yet have a picture of our bonnet -- but go ahead and make suggestions anyway. No matter what, I'll learn something! Thanks, Suzanne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
