Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[Ohad Lutzky]

Just a few more points to throw in here -

In the short time I've been in Haifux, it's been mostly a
'vote-with-your-feet' club. People show up to lectures which interest
them, and speak in favor of them on the mailing list. The reason, I
believe, we mostly have our "tight-knit" "linux-related" "lectures"
(taking all three terms with a grain of salt), is that the topics we
choose grow mostly out of the heavily community-oriented
Linux/F/OSS... er... community. That is, where Microsoft might [send
someone to] give a lecture about .NET, the body to give a lecture
about upcoming versions of Perl, for example, would be the perl
mongrels themselves.

Therefore, the other-OS-tolerance is there, just on different topics.
So while a lecture about "here's how wireless networking drivers work
in Windows" wouldn't be so interesting, I believe, to Haifux-goers, a
lecture about "here's how to get Windows wireless networking drivers
to work in Linux using ndiswrapper" - which would certainly include
parts of the former - would be very interesting to many of us. Other
lectures which might be of interest, of relation to this topic are
(off the top of my head) -

* An introduction to WiPeer, when (or perhaps more interestingly -
while) it is being ported to Linux
* Open formats - Opendocument and its implementation in various word
processors, perhaps including MS's
* Writing cross-platform software (I can already see the subtitle...
"or: why Firefox is so damned slow on Linux")
* Something "heavier" - design principles comparison between the NT
kernel and Unix-style kernels (please don't stone me :))

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Re: [Haifux] another lecture proposal

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:12:11PM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote:

> I'm interested too.

Cool, the lecture is scheduled for June 11th.

Cheers,
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Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 07:11:09PM +0300, gabik wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> Clubsys is highly academic and theoretical. They will not allow
> lecture on "dirty, system-level" details, which is what interests
> us, the engineers, I suppose. :)

That's too bad... it's not like there's been a wealth of clubsys
lectures. Have you tried talking with the organizers? in my several
years of experience organizing such seminars, seminar organizers
rarely say no to offers of help, especially if they're accompanied by
a suggestion to lecture.

I would love to see an "OS club" in the Technion --- but I don't think
Haifux should be it.

FWIW I am co-organizer of a weekly "Systems and Storage Research
Seminar" at IBM's Haifa Research Lab, which has "OS lectures" fairly
often. Email me privately if you'd like to be added to the
announcement list.

Cheers,
Muli



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Re: [Haifux] another lecture proposal

[Leon Romanovsky]

I'm interested too.

Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
> If there's interest, I'll be happy to give this talk I'll be giving at
> OLS '07 at Haifux as well.
> 
> The Price of Safety: Evaluating IOMMU Performance
> 
> IOMMUs, "IO Memory Management Units", are hardware devices that
> translate device DMA addresses to machine addresses. Isolation capable
> IOMMUs perform a valuable system service, preventing rogue devices
> from performing errant or malicious DMAs, thereby substantially
> increasing the system's reliability and availability. Without an
> IOMMU, a peripheral device could be programmed to overwrite any part
> of the system's memory. An isolation capable IOMMU restricts a device
> so that it can only access parts of memory it has been explicitly
> granted access to. Operating systems utilize IOMMUs to isolate device
> drivers; hypervisors utilize IOMMUs to grant secure direct hardware
> access to virtual machines. With the imminent publication of the
> PCI-SIG's IO Virtualization standard, as well as Intel and AMD's
> introduction of isolation capable IOMMUs in all new servers, IOMMUs
> will become ubiquitous.
> 
> IOMMUs can impose a performance penalty due to the extra memory
> accesses required to perform DMA operations. The exact performance
> degradation depends on the IOMMU design, its caching architecture, the
> way it is programmed and the workload. In this paper, we present the
> performance characteristics of the Calgary and DART IOMMUs in Linux,
> both on bare metal and hypervisors. We measure the throughput and CPU
> utilization of several IO workloads with and without an IOMMU and
> analyze the results. We then discuss potential strategies for
> mitigating the IOMMU's costs. We conclude by presenting a set of
> optimizations we have implemented and the resulting performance
> improvements.
> 
> Cheers,
> Muli
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[Haifux] Re: Windows in Haifux

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, gabik wrote:


Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:07:25 +0300
From: gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
'Eli Billauer' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
'Haifa Linux Club' 
Cc: 'Muli Ben-Yehuda' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'boazg' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Windows in Haifux


Orna wrote:

As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a lecture

about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others)

objected for the same reason.



I was very surprised to read this and would like to comment.

First, I want to say that I do not feel that I have any right to tell you
how to run Haifux, since I did nothing till far to establish or contribute
to it. So I would only like to express my humble opinion on this, please. It
is my personal opinion of how Haifux++ can be better than Haifux.


Why free/not free, open source/not open source becomes a value by itself? Is
it really so important that you are not ready to hear (not use) an
interesting lecture about Windows? By turning it into a "moral" value, you
make Linux a religion, which I assume you don't want to do.


Is not it all about KNOWLEDGE?


I am personally VERY much interested in Windows drivers and would very much
like to hear such a lecture. AIX is goins without saying.
I also propose (just propose, please don't kill me) to turn Haifux into an
"OS club". This is how I considered it to be till now.


Hi Gabi,

Since you ARE in the academy, I suggest that if there is an interest for 
an OS club, you start it in the Technion - it is a great way to meet 
professionals.


Regarding the Windows drivers lecture - it was an idle discussion which 
ended in no decision, because the lecturer was not enthusiastic about 
giving the lecture at all.


Which brings me to why I object to Haifux being an Os club. From my 
experience, Linux people are more enthusiastic, more community oriented, 
and therefor more willing to contribute and volunteer. In FOSS there is 
more room for working together than in closed source. and the kinds of 
lectures we bring means the kind of people we draw.


Haifux is not just a stage for lectures, like an academic club. It is a 
social place where peers are met and projects (W2L, Hatzor, bidi, see more 
in the projects page) are built. And in a social club, the people's 
personality matters.


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[Haifux] RE: Windows in Haifux

[gabik]

Hi Orna

I got you and I see your point.
Not suggesting to change Haifux any more.

I just want to say that if there will be a discussion again whether to have
windows drivers lecture or not (or any other interesting windows lecture) -
I am strongly in favor of having it.

Best,

Gabi
 
 


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From: Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:12 PM
To: gabik
Cc: 'Haifa Linux Club'
Subject: Re: Windows in Haifux

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, gabik wrote:

> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:07:25 +0300
> From: gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 'Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> 'Eli Billauer' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> 'Haifa Linux Club' 
> Cc: 'Muli Ben-Yehuda' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'boazg' 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Windows in Haifux
> 
>
> Orna wrote:
>> As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a 
>> lecture
> about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others)
>> objected for the same reason.
>
>
> I was very surprised to read this and would like to comment.
>
> First, I want to say that I do not feel that I have any right to tell 
> you how to run Haifux, since I did nothing till far to establish or 
> contribute to it. So I would only like to express my humble opinion on 
> this, please. It is my personal opinion of how Haifux++ can be better than
Haifux.
>
>
> Why free/not free, open source/not open source becomes a value by 
> itself? Is it really so important that you are not ready to hear (not 
> use) an interesting lecture about Windows? By turning it into a 
> "moral" value, you make Linux a religion, which I assume you don't want to
do.
>
>
> Is not it all about KNOWLEDGE?
>
>
> I am personally VERY much interested in Windows drivers and would very 
> much like to hear such a lecture. AIX is goins without saying.
> I also propose (just propose, please don't kill me) to turn Haifux 
> into an "OS club". This is how I considered it to be till now.

Hi Gabi,

Since you ARE in the academy, I suggest that if there is an interest for an
OS club, you start it in the Technion - it is a great way to meet
professionals.

Regarding the Windows drivers lecture - it was an idle discussion which
ended in no decision, because the lecturer was not enthusiastic about giving
the lecture at all.

Which brings me to why I object to Haifux being an Os club. From my
experience, Linux people are more enthusiastic, more community oriented, and
therefor more willing to contribute and volunteer. In FOSS there is more
room for working together than in closed source. and the kinds of lectures
we bring means the kind of people we draw.

Haifux is not just a stage for lectures, like an academic club. It is a
social place where peers are met and projects (W2L, Hatzor, bidi, see more
in the projects page) are built. And in a social club, the people's
personality matters.

Orna.
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RE: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[gabik]

By your I meant not Orr, but Haifux's society.
 
>And all in all we are very tolerant towards other OSes,...
So why not windows drivers lecture, that Orna wrote you have rejected in the
past?
 
Gabi
 
 

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From: Orr Dunkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:00 PM
To: gabik
Cc: Haifa Linux Club
Subject: Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux


This is not my club.

This is the people's club.

However, this is haifux. The mailing list is handled by hamakor's website,
the domain is paid by hamakor, and the website will eventually go there as
well, so _this_ will remain haifux. If someone wishes to start another forum
which has different interests - I will not be against it, just hope they'll
be kind enough to pick a different day of the week. 

And all in all we are very tolerant towards other OSes, the AIX lecture will
be scheduled (once the lecturer gives his consent on a date), we had an open
solaris lecture, and even a freebsd one. Even windows' drivers and NDIS
emulation might be an interesting topic (anyone willing to give such a
lecture?). 

Orr.



On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

OK.
 
I fully accept it. It is your club.
I just proposed to change it from Haifux to HaifOS. Or leave it as Haifux
but be more patient to other, different OSes as well.

 
 
>you will never be able to connect from Linux
Of course you will. When we find time to port it to Linux.
You see - it is not against Linux. It is just being practical and trying to
benefit the most people you can with your limited time resources.
 
Gabi
 

  _  

From: Orr Dunkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:36 PM
To: gabik
Cc: Haifa Linux Club
Subject: Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux



OK.

Lectures on configuring WiFi cards in Windows is obviously out of the scope
of the club (again, this is Haifux, if people want to have Haifwin, HaifOS,
or any other club - they are welcome to start it).
If there is some lesson about that for Linux, then it might fit, but
otherwise - it's not in the scope. 

The same goes for other complicated P2P or ad hoc networks.
If this enlighten us about how our Linux behaves (how ad-hoc networks are
established), then it's interesting and in the scope. Otherwise (this is a
propietery Windows protocol which you acnnot connect in Linux, and you will
never be able to connect from Linux) this is outside the scope of the club. 

Orr.



On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

But why should we concentrate on kernel only?
 
For example, would not you like to hear a lecture about WiPeer
http://www.wipeer.com/.: 
Lecture about the challenge of programmatically configuring your WiFi card
on Windows, about our way to structure a complicated P2P software, about ad
hoc networking in general, ...
(I am not currently proposing to give such a lecture, just asking your
general opinion about the interest level).
 
Gabi
 




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Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[Orr Dunkelman]

This is not my club.

This is the people's club.

However, this is haifux. The mailing list is handled by hamakor's website,
the domain is paid by hamakor, and the website will eventually go there as
well, so _this_ will remain haifux. If someone wishes to start another forum
which has different interests - I will not be against it, just hope they'll
be kind enough to pick a different day of the week.

And all in all we are very tolerant towards other OSes, the AIX lecture will
be scheduled (once the lecturer gives his consent on a date), we had an open
solaris lecture, and even a freebsd one. Even windows' drivers and NDIS
emulation might be an interesting topic (anyone willing to give such a
lecture?).

Orr.


On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 OK.

I fully accept it. It is your club.
I just proposed to change it from Haifux to HaifOS. Or leave it as Haifux
but be more patient to other, different OSes as well.


>you will never be able to connect from Linux
Of course you will. When we find time to port it to Linux.
You see - it is not against Linux. It is just being practical and trying
to benefit the most people you can with your limited time resources.

Gabi


 --
*From:* Orr Dunkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:36 PM
*To:* gabik
*Cc:* Haifa Linux Club
*Subject:* Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

OK.

Lectures on configuring WiFi cards in Windows is obviously out of the
scope of the club (again, this is Haifux, if people want to have Haifwin,
HaifOS, or any other club - they are welcome to start it).
If there is some lesson about that for Linux, then it might fit, but
otherwise - it's not in the scope.

The same goes for other complicated P2P or ad hoc networks.
If this enlighten us about how our Linux behaves (how ad-hoc networks are
established), then it's interesting and in the scope. Otherwise (this is a
propietery Windows protocol which you acnnot connect in Linux, and you will
never be able to connect from Linux) this is outside the scope of the club.

Orr.


On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  But why should we concentrate on kernel only?
>
> For example, would not you like to hear a lecture about WiPeer
> http://www.wipeer.com/.:
> Lecture about the challenge of programmatically configuring your WiFi
> card on Windows, about our way to structure a complicated P2P software,
> about ad hoc networking in general, ...
> (I am not currently proposing to give such a lecture, just asking your
> general opinion about the interest level).
>
> Gabi
>
>


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RE: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[gabik]

OK.
 
I fully accept it. It is your club.
I just proposed to change it from Haifux to HaifOS. Or leave it as Haifux
but be more patient to other, different OSes as well.
 
 
>you will never be able to connect from Linux
Of course you will. When we find time to port it to Linux.
You see - it is not against Linux. It is just being practical and trying to
benefit the most people you can with your limited time resources.
 
Gabi
 

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From: Orr Dunkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:36 PM
To: gabik
Cc: Haifa Linux Club
Subject: Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux


OK.

Lectures on configuring WiFi cards in Windows is obviously out of the scope
of the club (again, this is Haifux, if people want to have Haifwin, HaifOS,
or any other club - they are welcome to start it).
If there is some lesson about that for Linux, then it might fit, but
otherwise - it's not in the scope. 

The same goes for other complicated P2P or ad hoc networks.
If this enlighten us about how our Linux behaves (how ad-hoc networks are
established), then it's interesting and in the scope. Otherwise (this is a
propietery Windows protocol which you acnnot connect in Linux, and you will
never be able to connect from Linux) this is outside the scope of the club. 

Orr.



On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

But why should we concentrate on kernel only?
 
For example, would not you like to hear a lecture about WiPeer
http://www.wipeer.com/.: 
Lecture about the challenge of programmatically configuring your WiFi card
on Windows, about our way to structure a complicated P2P software, about ad
hoc networking in general, ...
(I am not currently proposing to give such a lecture, just asking your
general opinion about the interest level).
 
Gabi
 




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Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[Orr Dunkelman]

OK.

Lectures on configuring WiFi cards in Windows is obviously out of the scope
of the club (again, this is Haifux, if people want to have Haifwin, HaifOS,
or any other club - they are welcome to start it).
If there is some lesson about that for Linux, then it might fit, but
otherwise - it's not in the scope.

The same goes for other complicated P2P or ad hoc networks.
If this enlighten us about how our Linux behaves (how ad-hoc networks are
established), then it's interesting and in the scope. Otherwise (this is a
propietery Windows protocol which you acnnot connect in Linux, and you will
never be able to connect from Linux) this is outside the scope of the club.

Orr.


On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 But why should we concentrate on kernel only?

For example, would not you like to hear a lecture about WiPeer
http://www.wipeer.com/.:
Lecture about the challenge of programmatically configuring your WiFi card
on Windows, about our way to structure a complicated P2P software, about ad
hoc networking in general, ...
(I am not currently proposing to give such a lecture, just asking your
general opinion about the interest level).

Gabi





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RE: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[gabik]

But why should we concentrate on kernel only?
 
For example, would not you like to hear a lecture about WiPeer
http://www.wipeer.com/.: 
Lecture about the challenge of programmatically configuring your WiFi card
on Windows, about our way to structure a complicated P2P software, about ad
hoc networking in general, ...
(I am not currently proposing to give such a lecture, just asking your
general opinion about the interest level).
 
Gabi
 
 
 


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From: Orr Dunkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:40 PM
To: gabik
Cc: Haifa Linux Club
Subject: Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux


I think this is far from being the aim for Haifux.

I recall the reason was to have a place where Linux developers can meet and
work together...

We've gone quite a way from there, but we are after all Haifux. Any lecture
which is on advocating Linux, or even on user space experience in Linux (who
wants to give a lecture about Gnome vs. KDE vs. the rest of the world?) is
more than welcome. 

I'm not sure we are the forum for all OS related stuff. This is not the
intention, and if we start to discuss only aspects related to OSes in Kernel
level - I think we will no longer be called Haifux, but HaifOS. 

Just my 2 euro cents,
Orr.


On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I propose OS club. 
Not all Computer Science in general (for that me have the faculty, right?)

 
>B) Gabi's approach - it's all about knowledge - anything goes 
Not everything. Only OS and OS related (networking in OS is of course
related (not routing protocols, but OS implementation of sockets for
example) , Virtualization is related, Distributed is partly related. Crypto
- I am not sure is very much related, but if you think it is - OK.
Bioinformatics for example is for sure not related).
 
 
Gabi
 
 

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From: Orr Dunkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:16 PM
To: gabik
Cc: Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda; Eli Billauer; Haifa Linux Club; Muli Ben-Yehuda;
boazg
Subject: Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux



There are three ways to treat haifux:

A) A FOSS/Linux club (an interesting debate on its own) - anything which is
not FOSS or Linux-related is discouraged, as it's not in the "charter"

B) Gabi's approach - it's all about knowledge - anything goes 

C) the golden ratio, where we usually are A, but if something vaguely
related to Linux but really interesting comes up, we're B.

I think that A is very restrictive, especially if windows drivers have to do
with Linux. 

B is very problematic as well, especially as it just makes haifux a platform
for courses in computers. This is not the aim of haifux. We are not
haifumputers, we're haifux.

C is of course the best way, given that we know when to "bend the rules". 
How do we know when to bend the rules a little? if many haifuxers say it is
OK, then I think it is OK (a common method in Judaism and Islam - if many
believers do that, it can't be that bad).


On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hi

Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:

> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's charter?

Orna wrote:
> As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a lecture

about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others)
>objected for the same reason.


I was very surprised to read this and would like to comment.

First, I want to say that I do not feel that I have any right to tell you 
how to run Haifux, since I did nothing till far to establish or contribute
to it. So I would only like to express my humble opinion on this, please. It
is my personal opinion of how Haifux++ can be better than Haifux. 


Why free/not free, open source/not open source becomes a value by itself? Is
it really so important that you are not ready to hear (not use) an
interesting lecture about Windows? By turning it into a "moral" value, you 
make Linux a religion, which I assume you don't want to do.


Is not it all about KNOWLEDGE?


I am personally VERY much interested in Windows drivers and would very much
like to hear such a lecture. AIX is goins without saying. 
I also propose (just propose, please don't kill me) to turn Haifux into an
"OS club". This is how I considered it to be till now.

Best,

Gabi Kliot






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From: Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:43 PM
To: Eli Billauer
Cc: Haifa Linux Club; Muli Ben-Yehuda; boazg
Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal 

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Eli Billauer wrote:

> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:51:13 +0200
> From: Eli Billauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Haifa Linux Club < haifux@haifux.org>
> Cc: Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, boazg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal
>
> Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
>
>> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's
>> charter?
>>
>>
> Lecture #79: Random numbers
> Lecure #81: Multilingual typesetting
> Lecture #95: Hebrew fonts
> Lecture #114-SIL: Intro to Alic

RE: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[gabik]

Hi 

Clubsys is highly academic and theoretical. They will not allow lecture on
"dirty, system-level" details, which is what interests us, the engineers, I
suppose. :)

Plus, Clubsys is not functional for the last half of the year.
There is Clubnet in EE as well, but is it mostly theoretical as well.

Gabi


 

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From: Muli Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:32 PM
To: gabik
Cc: 'Haifa Linux Club'; 'Orr Dunkelman'
Subject: Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:26:01PM +0300, gabik wrote:

> I propose OS club. 

I think that's what clubsys is supposed to be... 


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Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[Orr Dunkelman]

I think this is far from being the aim for Haifux.

I recall the reason was to have a place where Linux developers can meet and
work together...

We've gone quite a way from there, but we are after all Haifux. Any lecture
which is on advocating Linux, or even on user space experience in Linux (who
wants to give a lecture about Gnome vs. KDE vs. the rest of the world?) is
more than welcome.

I'm not sure we are the forum for all OS related stuff. This is not the
intention, and if we start to discuss only aspects related to OSes in Kernel
level - I think we will no longer be called Haifux, but HaifOS.

Just my 2 euro cents,
Orr.

On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I propose OS club.
Not all Computer Science in general (for that me have the faculty, right?)

>B) Gabi's approach - it's all about knowledge - anything goes
Not everything. Only OS and OS related (networking in OS is of course
related (not routing protocols, but OS implementation of sockets for
example) , Virtualization is related, Distributed is partly related. Crypto
- I am not sure is very much related, but if you think it is - OK.
Bioinformatics for example is for sure not related).


Gabi



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*From:* Orr Dunkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:16 PM
*To:* gabik
*Cc:* Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda; Eli Billauer; Haifa Linux Club; Muli
Ben-Yehuda; boazg
*Subject:* Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

There are three ways to treat haifux:

A) A FOSS/Linux club (an interesting debate on its own) - anything which
is not FOSS or Linux-related is discouraged, as it's not in the "charter"

B) Gabi's approach - it's all about knowledge - anything goes

C) the golden ratio, where we usually are A, but if something vaguely
related to Linux but really interesting comes up, we're B.

I think that A is very restrictive, especially if windows drivers have to
do with Linux.

B is very problematic as well, especially as it just makes haifux a
platform for courses in computers. This is not the aim of haifux. We are not
haifumputers, we're haifux.

C is of course the best way, given that we know when to "bend the rules".
How do we know when to bend the rules a little? if many haifuxers say it
is OK, then I think it is OK (a common method in Judaism and Islam - if many
believers do that, it can't be that bad).

On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
>
> > I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's
> charter?
>
> Orna wrote:
> > As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a
> lecture
> about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others)
> >objected for the same reason.
>
>
> I was very surprised to read this and would like to comment.
>
> First, I want to say that I do not feel that I have any right to tell
> you
> how to run Haifux, since I did nothing till far to establish or
> contribute
> to it. So I would only like to express my humble opinion on this,
> please. It
> is my personal opinion of how Haifux++ can be better than Haifux.
>
>
> Why free/not free, open source/not open source becomes a value by
> itself? Is
> it really so important that you are not ready to hear (not use) an
> interesting lecture about Windows? By turning it into a "moral" value,
> you
> make Linux a religion, which I assume you don't want to do.
>
>
> Is not it all about KNOWLEDGE?
>
>
> I am personally VERY much interested in Windows drivers and would very
> much
> like to hear such a lecture. AIX is goins without saying.
> I also propose (just propose, please don't kill me) to turn Haifux into
> an
> "OS club". This is how I considered it to be till now.
>
> Best,
>
> Gabi Kliot
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:43 PM
> To: Eli Billauer
> Cc: Haifa Linux Club; Muli Ben-Yehuda; boazg
> Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal
>
> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Eli Billauer wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:51:13 +0200
> > From: Eli Billauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Haifa Linux Club < haifux@haifux.org>
> > Cc: Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, boazg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal
> >
> > Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
> >
> >> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's
> >> charter?
> >>
> >>
> > Lecture #79: Random numbers
> > Lecure #81: Multilingual typesetting
> > Lecture #95: Hebrew fonts
> > Lecture #114-SIL: Intro to Alice, Bob and Eve: a glimpse of
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Haifux' charter has always been that if there's an audience, there's a
> > lecture.
> >
> >   Eli
> >
> >
>
> There is a difference between general computer science topics, such as
> random numbers (btw, at the end of the lecture, /dev/random and
> /dev/urandom
> were discussed) and  proprietary software.
>
> The Hebrew fonts were released under a free license, and are needed in
> order
> to view MS documents on a 

Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:26:01PM +0300, gabik wrote:

> I propose OS club. 

I think that's what clubsys is supposed to be... 

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RE: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[gabik]

I propose OS club. 
Not all Computer Science in general (for that me have the faculty, right?)
 
>B) Gabi's approach - it's all about knowledge - anything goes 
Not everything. Only OS and OS related (networking in OS is of course
related (not routing protocols, but OS implementation of sockets for
example) , Virtualization is related, Distributed is partly related. Crypto
- I am not sure is very much related, but if you think it is - OK.
Bioinformatics for example is for sure not related).
 
 
Gabi
 
 

  _  

From: Orr Dunkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:16 PM
To: gabik
Cc: Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda; Eli Billauer; Haifa Linux Club; Muli Ben-Yehuda;
boazg
Subject: Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux


There are three ways to treat haifux:

A) A FOSS/Linux club (an interesting debate on its own) - anything which is
not FOSS or Linux-related is discouraged, as it's not in the "charter"

B) Gabi's approach - it's all about knowledge - anything goes 

C) the golden ratio, where we usually are A, but if something vaguely
related to Linux but really interesting comes up, we're B.

I think that A is very restrictive, especially if windows drivers have to do
with Linux. 

B is very problematic as well, especially as it just makes haifux a platform
for courses in computers. This is not the aim of haifux. We are not
haifumputers, we're haifux.

C is of course the best way, given that we know when to "bend the rules". 
How do we know when to bend the rules a little? if many haifuxers say it is
OK, then I think it is OK (a common method in Judaism and Islam - if many
believers do that, it can't be that bad).


On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hi

Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:

> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's charter?

Orna wrote:
> As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a lecture

about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others)
>objected for the same reason.


I was very surprised to read this and would like to comment.

First, I want to say that I do not feel that I have any right to tell you 
how to run Haifux, since I did nothing till far to establish or contribute
to it. So I would only like to express my humble opinion on this, please. It
is my personal opinion of how Haifux++ can be better than Haifux. 


Why free/not free, open source/not open source becomes a value by itself? Is
it really so important that you are not ready to hear (not use) an
interesting lecture about Windows? By turning it into a "moral" value, you 
make Linux a religion, which I assume you don't want to do.


Is not it all about KNOWLEDGE?


I am personally VERY much interested in Windows drivers and would very much
like to hear such a lecture. AIX is goins without saying. 
I also propose (just propose, please don't kill me) to turn Haifux into an
"OS club". This is how I considered it to be till now.

Best,

Gabi Kliot






-Original Message- 
From: Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:43 PM
To: Eli Billauer
Cc: Haifa Linux Club; Muli Ben-Yehuda; boazg
Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal 

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Eli Billauer wrote:

> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:51:13 +0200
> From: Eli Billauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Haifa Linux Club < haifux@haifux.org>
> Cc: Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, boazg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal
>
> Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
>
>> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's
>> charter?
>>
>>
> Lecture #79: Random numbers
> Lecure #81: Multilingual typesetting
> Lecture #95: Hebrew fonts
> Lecture #114-SIL: Intro to Alice, Bob and Eve: a glimpse of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
> Haifux' charter has always been that if there's an audience, there's a
> lecture.
>
>   Eli
>
>

There is a difference between general computer science topics, such as 
random numbers (btw, at the end of the lecture, /dev/random and /dev/urandom
were discussed) and  proprietary software.

The Hebrew fonts were released under a free license, and are needed in order
to view MS documents on a Linux system. The typesetting lecture was a 
broader topic of TeX, FOSS. We also hosted a lecture about CC.

As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a lecture
about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others) objected for the same 
reason.

I think lecture 6 is the only totally proprietary lecture we had, and this
was indeed before my time.

Orna.
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Re: [Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[Orr Dunkelman]

There are three ways to treat haifux:

A) A FOSS/Linux club (an interesting debate on its own) - anything which is
not FOSS or Linux-related is discouraged, as it's not in the "charter"

B) Gabi's approach - it's all about knowledge - anything goes

C) the golden ratio, where we usually are A, but if something vaguely
related to Linux but really interesting comes up, we're B.

I think that A is very restrictive, especially if windows drivers have to do
with Linux.

B is very problematic as well, especially as it just makes haifux a platform
for courses in computers. This is not the aim of haifux. We are not
haifumputers, we're haifux.

C is of course the best way, given that we know when to "bend the rules".
How do we know when to bend the rules a little? if many haifuxers say it is
OK, then I think it is OK (a common method in Judaism and Islam - if many
believers do that, it can't be that bad).

On 4/10/07, gabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi

Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:

> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's
charter?

Orna wrote:
> As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a
lecture
about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others)
>objected for the same reason.


I was very surprised to read this and would like to comment.

First, I want to say that I do not feel that I have any right to tell you
how to run Haifux, since I did nothing till far to establish or contribute
to it. So I would only like to express my humble opinion on this, please.
It
is my personal opinion of how Haifux++ can be better than Haifux.


Why free/not free, open source/not open source becomes a value by itself?
Is
it really so important that you are not ready to hear (not use) an
interesting lecture about Windows? By turning it into a "moral" value, you
make Linux a religion, which I assume you don't want to do.


Is not it all about KNOWLEDGE?


I am personally VERY much interested in Windows drivers and would very
much
like to hear such a lecture. AIX is goins without saying.
I also propose (just propose, please don't kill me) to turn Haifux into an
"OS club". This is how I considered it to be till now.

Best,

Gabi Kliot






-Original Message-
From: Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:43 PM
To: Eli Billauer
Cc: Haifa Linux Club; Muli Ben-Yehuda; boazg
Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Eli Billauer wrote:

> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:51:13 +0200
> From: Eli Billauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Haifa Linux Club 
> Cc: Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, boazg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal
>
> Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
>
>> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's
>> charter?
>>
>>
> Lecture #79: Random numbers
> Lecure #81: Multilingual typesetting
> Lecture #95: Hebrew fonts
> Lecture #114-SIL: Intro to Alice, Bob and Eve: a glimpse of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Haifux' charter has always been that if there's an audience, there's a
> lecture.
>
>   Eli
>
>

There is a difference between general computer science topics, such as
random numbers (btw, at the end of the lecture, /dev/random and
/dev/urandom
were discussed) and  proprietary software.

The Hebrew fonts were released under a free license, and are needed in
order
to view MS documents on a Linux system. The typesetting lecture was a
broader topic of TeX, FOSS. We also hosted a lecture about CC.

As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a lecture
about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others) objected for the same
reason.

I think lecture 6 is the only totally proprietary lecture we had, and this
was indeed before my time.

Orna.
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[Haifux] Windows in Haifux

[gabik]

Hi

Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:

> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's charter?

Orna wrote:
> As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a lecture
about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others) 
>objected for the same reason.


I was very surprised to read this and would like to comment.

First, I want to say that I do not feel that I have any right to tell you
how to run Haifux, since I did nothing till far to establish or contribute
to it. So I would only like to express my humble opinion on this, please. It
is my personal opinion of how Haifux++ can be better than Haifux.


Why free/not free, open source/not open source becomes a value by itself? Is
it really so important that you are not ready to hear (not use) an
interesting lecture about Windows? By turning it into a "moral" value, you
make Linux a religion, which I assume you don't want to do.


Is not it all about KNOWLEDGE? 


I am personally VERY much interested in Windows drivers and would very much
like to hear such a lecture. AIX is goins without saying.
I also propose (just propose, please don't kill me) to turn Haifux into an
"OS club". This is how I considered it to be till now.

Best,

Gabi Kliot






-Original Message-
From: Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:43 PM
To: Eli Billauer
Cc: Haifa Linux Club; Muli Ben-Yehuda; boazg
Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Eli Billauer wrote:

> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:51:13 +0200
> From: Eli Billauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Haifa Linux Club 
> Cc: Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, boazg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Haifux] lecture proposal
> 
> Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
>
>> I don't quite see how a talk about a proprietary OS fits Haifux's 
>> charter?
>>
>> 
> Lecture #79: Random numbers
> Lecure #81: Multilingual typesetting
> Lecture #95: Hebrew fonts
> Lecture #114-SIL: Intro to Alice, Bob and Eve: a glimpse of 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Haifux' charter has always been that if there's an audience, there's a 
> lecture.
>
>   Eli
>
>

There is a difference between general computer science topics, such as
random numbers (btw, at the end of the lecture, /dev/random and /dev/urandom
were discussed) and  proprietary software.

The Hebrew fonts were released under a free license, and are needed in order
to view MS documents on a Linux system. The typesetting lecture was a
broader topic of TeX, FOSS. We also hosted a lecture about CC.

As I see it, Haifux is not an "OS club". When the idea of having a lecture
about Windows drivers was brought up, I (and others) objected for the same
reason.

I think lecture 6 is the only totally proprietary lecture we had, and this
was indeed before my time.

Orna.
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RE: [Haifux] another lecture proposal

[gabik]

Yes, I am interested.

Gabi
 

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From: Muli Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:46 PM
To: haifux@haifux.org
Subject: [Haifux] another lecture proposal

If there's interest, I'll be happy to give this talk I'll be giving at OLS
'07 at Haifux as well.

The Price of Safety: Evaluating IOMMU Performance

IOMMUs, "IO Memory Management Units", are hardware devices that translate
device DMA addresses to machine addresses. Isolation capable IOMMUs perform
a valuable system service, preventing rogue devices from performing errant
or malicious DMAs, thereby substantially increasing the system's reliability
and availability. Without an IOMMU, a peripheral device could be programmed
to overwrite any part of the system's memory. An isolation capable IOMMU
restricts a device so that it can only access parts of memory it has been
explicitly granted access to. Operating systems utilize IOMMUs to isolate
device drivers; hypervisors utilize IOMMUs to grant secure direct hardware
access to virtual machines. With the imminent publication of the PCI-SIG's
IO Virtualization standard, as well as Intel and AMD's introduction of
isolation capable IOMMUs in all new servers, IOMMUs will become ubiquitous.

IOMMUs can impose a performance penalty due to the extra memory accesses
required to perform DMA operations. The exact performance degradation
depends on the IOMMU design, its caching architecture, the way it is
programmed and the workload. In this paper, we present the performance
characteristics of the Calgary and DART IOMMUs in Linux, both on bare metal
and hypervisors. We measure the throughput and CPU utilization of several IO
workloads with and without an IOMMU and analyze the results. We then discuss
potential strategies for mitigating the IOMMU's costs. We conclude by
presenting a set of optimizations we have implemented and the resulting
performance improvements.

Cheers,
Muli

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[Haifux] [Haifux Lecture] The OLPC project

[Zvi Devir]

Time+Place : Monday 16/04/2007 18:30, Taub 3
Speaker: Zvi Devir
Host   : Haifa Linux Club
Title  : The Children's Machine (AKA the $100 laptop)
 and the OLPC initiative

Abstract   :
One Laptop per Child (OLPC) is a non-profit organization dedicated for
the development and construction of the Children's Machine, commonly
known as the $100 laptop. The Children's Machine is an inexpensive
laptop computer that will be distributed to children, especially in
developing countries, to provide them with access to knowledge and
modern forms of education.

In this talk, the OLPC project and the Children's Machine will be
presented. I'll talk about the concepts of the project, and discuss some
of the hardware and software considerations. The presentation will be
given with a XO-B2 machine.


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Re: [Haifux] [Idea] How to Advertise the Lectures to Other Audiences

[Amichai Rotman]

Alon,

Cool!

I'll butify it a bit and re-distribute it to the list.

It should be available for download on the lectures page, under a new column
called: Poster / Sign...

Thanks!


On 4/10/07, Alon Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Draft attached.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Orr Dunkelman wrote:

> A really good idea.
>
> Do you want to make a template in OO or in LaTeX for this?
>
> On 4/10/07, Amichai Rotman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I thought of a way to advertise the lectures to new audiences in a
better
>> way to suit Newbies:
>>
>> One of us with artistic talent (not me) creates a template of a sign to
be
>> saved as PDF and EPS to be printed on a standard A4 sized page that
>> includes
>> the following details:
>>
>> The Haifux Logo (A.K.A. Letterhead)
>>
>> "About" Section:
>>
>> An ultra-short description of the Club.
>>
>> The title: Upcoming Haifux Lecture
>>
>> "Abstract" Section:
>>
>> As seen on the Haifux site (http://www.haifux.org/lectures/)
>>
>> An "How To Get There" Section:
>>
>> Including a small map, contact info (the Clubs' URL and such)
>>
>> Of course, any of this is debatable - as I am sure will be ;-)
>>
>> I would like to be able to download such a poster from the Lectures
>> section on the site, print it and post it on the real-world message
boards
>> where I work.
>>
>> It would be nice to be able edit the contact info to add my own details
>> (name, phone # and e-mail address) so people cat turn to me with
questions
>> if need be.
>>
>> What do y'all think?
>>
>> --
>> .::.
>>
>> Amichai Rotman
>>
>> UIN#: 6401746
>> Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/]
>> Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [ http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net]
>>
>>
>>
>>

>>
>> PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>>
>>
>>

>>
>>
>> .::.
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Haifux] [Idea] How to Advertise the Lectures to Other Audiences

[Orr Dunkelman]

A really good idea.

Do you want to make a template in OO or in LaTeX for this?

On 4/10/07, Amichai Rotman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi All,

I thought of a way to advertise the lectures to new audiences in a better
way to suit Newbies:

One of us with artistic talent (not me) creates a template of a sign to be
saved as PDF and EPS to be printed on a standard A4 sized page that includes
the following details:

The Haifux Logo (A.K.A. Letterhead)

"About" Section:

An ultra-short description of the Club.

The title: Upcoming Haifux Lecture

"Abstract" Section:

As seen on the Haifux site (http://www.haifux.org/lectures/)

An "How To Get There" Section:

Including a small map, contact info (the Clubs' URL and such)

Of course, any of this is debatable - as I am sure will be ;-)

I would like to be able to download such a poster from the Lectures
section on the site, print it and post it on the real-world message boards
where I work.

It would be nice to be able edit the contact info to add my own details
(name, phone # and e-mail address) so people cat turn to me with questions
if need be.

What do y'all think?

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[Haifux] [Idea] How to Advertise the Lectures to Other Audiences

[Amichai Rotman]

Hi All,

I thought of a way to advertise the lectures to new audiences in a better
way to suit Newbies:

One of us with artistic talent (not me) creates a template of a sign to be
saved as PDF and EPS to be printed on a standard A4 sized page that includes
the following details:

The Haifux Logo (A.K.A. Letterhead)

"About" Section:

An ultra-short description of the Club.

The title: Upcoming Haifux Lecture

"Abstract" Section:

As seen on the Haifux site (http://www.haifux.org/lectures/)

An "How To Get There" Section:

Including a small map, contact info (the Clubs' URL and such)

Of course, any of this is debatable - as I am sure will be ;-)

I would like to be able to download such a poster from the Lectures section
on the site, print it and post it on the real-world message boards where I
work.

It would be nice to be able edit the contact info to add my own details
(name, phone # and e-mail address) so people cat turn to me with questions
if need be.

What do y'all think?

--
.::.

Amichai Rotman

UIN#: 6401746
Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/]
Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net]



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Re: [Haifux] Yum problems from the Technion

[Dan Kenigsberg]

My current guess is that it is related to an uber-zealous firewall that is
installed in the CS department.

Within CS
echo 'GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n' | netcat www.tau.ac.il 80
silently fails, while
echo 'GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n' | netcat -i 1 www.tau.ac.il 80
returns TAU's homepage (after a second's delay).

Outside CS (bu in the Technion) the first attempt succeeds.
It might be that yum does something that the firewall does not like.
Any comment anyone?

On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:16:12PM +0300, Dave Roi wrote:
> wget does succeed in downloading the file, only yum is reporting this
> problem.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> On 4/5/07, Dan Kenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >According to
> >https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2005-July/006996.html
> >our problem CAN be caused by a faulty transparent proxy that does not like
> >forwarding http byte-ranged requests. Such proxy would not harm complete
> >wget or
> >normal browsing.
> >
> >I have no idea whether this is the case here, or if it is endemic to CS.
> >
> >On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 08:28:45PM +0300, Mark Silberstein wrote:
> >> I had very similar problem - yum failed to download things with the same
> >> error message. However wget did succeed, so I am not sure the problem is
> >in
> >> the proxy
> >>
> >> On 4/5/07, Dan Kenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Do you have an exact list of the times when this problem occured?
> >> >Assuming that the reason for this is a faulty network link in the
> >> >Technion, such
> >> >list might be useful, if we want to ask Technion system personel to
> >look
> >> >into
> >> >this.
> >> >
> >> >P.S. Does anyone in the Technion outside CS can confirm this problem?
> >Or
> >> >even
> >> >lend me a proxy?
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 05:34:00PM +0300, Dave Roi wrote:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am getting the same problem on the Linux stations in the farm.
> >> >> The problem has appeared before for a while, then stopped and started
> >> >again
> >> >> about a week before Pesach.
> >> >> Haven't managed to solve the problem but if anyone finds a solution
> >it
> >> >would
> >> >> greatly help me too.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dave (from the CS Linux support team)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 4/4/07, Dan Kenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >For quite a while I have a problem updating yum from within the
> >> >Technion.
> >> >> >I keep getting
> >> >> >[Errno -1] Header is not complete.
> >> >> >Trying other mirror.
> >> >> >AFTER an rpm is downloaded. I read around that this may stem in a
> >> >faulty
> >> >> >transparent proxy. However, I failed to track it down, or even
> >confirm
> >> >> >that.
> >> >> >Anyone here encountered/solved this problem? (and in "solving" I do
> >not
> >> >> >count
> >> >> >tunneling out of the Technion, and using a remote proxy. This works
> >for
> >> >> >me.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Dan Kenigsberghttp://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~danken
> >ICQ
> >> >> >162180901
> >> >> >
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