Re: [Haifux] Linux Ubuntu in Haifa - help was needed , now some advise
Hi, Congratulations for the donation! I´m not from Haifa, but here are my recommendations based in my Ubuntu experiences. El lun, 30-04-2007 a las 09:33 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > The target again is to run simple tasks like browser, low-end games, > etc. So I think a simple PC will do. > > Any recommendation for HW to be used? > > - Motherboard is the most critical part here, from drivers’ > point of view. Any recommended vendor? I prefer AMD due to cost - any > idea which specific CPU? AMD Athlon are cheap and fine. > - Memory: will 512MB be enough? Or shall I go directly to > 1GB? 512MB is OK, but it is up to prices. If you can add a little more money and get 1GB, go ahead. > - Hard drive: will SATA2 be a problem? (I prefer to save > budget and stay with IDE, but I am not sure if I can find such). I > guess 80GB is large enough for such application, right? SATA2 worked fine for me with a cheap board using a VIA chipset. I don´t think IDE drivers are cheaper any more. > - VGA and sound: on board or are you recommending a low-cost > add on card Any Creative on board card is fine. You have to be more careful with the graphic card if it comes on board. Many vendors of cheap computers include sis graphic cards at their boards that you MUST to avoid. You can use on board Intel if you want OS drivers, or Nvidia Geforce if proprietary drivers are fine for you. > And above all – I need a reliable vendor to buy from. (Not to far from > Gesher Paz) > > Thanks in advanced! > > Yigal > -- Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Linux Ubuntu in Haifa - help was needed , now some advise
On Monday, 30 בApril 2007 09:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Any recommendation for HW to be used? > ... > - VGA and sound: on board or are you > recommending a low-cost add on card Since these days anybody with Nvidia/ATI card has to fight to have minimal 3D (even to play tuxracer, not to mention beryl/compiz fun) I think that rules them out. That basically leaves Intel on-board chipsets which are supported out of the box by any modern Xorg. An exception: One of my Pentium 4's have an on-board old ATI chipset (Radeon 9100 IGP) -- it was bought before found about better alternatives. This board "magically" started to have 3D acceleration after a normal update of Xorg ~6 months ago (the chipset is old and featureless enough that new versions of the free radeon driver caught up). While miracles like that may happen, I keep myself away from depending on them by avoiding ATI/Nvidia. Cheers, -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 "write your own operating system. It has worked every time for me" -- Linus Thorvalds - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] [call for lecture] Tor
Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: > Is there a doctor in the house? > > Well, we do not really need a doctor, but we would like to find > somebody who can give a lecture about TOR (anonimity network). I would love to study the subject, but I'm not sure my time resources can cope. When would such a lecture take place? > Thanks, > Orna. Shachar - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Linux Ubuntu in Haifa - help was needed , now some advise
Since these days anybody with Nvidia/ATI card has to fight to have minimal 3D (even to play tuxracer, not to mention beryl/compiz fun) I think that rules them out. I see you haven't tried Ubuntu Feisty yet... it automatically detects those cards (at least nVidia, from my experience), warns about the drivers being properietary, asks if you want to install them anyway, and goes ahead to install... :) -- Protect your digital freedom and privacy, eliminate DRM, learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm Ohad Lutzky - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Linux Ubuntu in Haifa - help was needed , now some advise
On Monday, 30 בApril 2007 11:10, Ohad Lutzky wrote: > I see you haven't tried Ubuntu Feisty yet... it automatically detects > those cards (at least nVidia, from my experience), warns about the > drivers being properietary, asks if you want to install them anyway, > and goes ahead to install... :) Yes, I was aware of this fact when I replied about the Nvidia/ATI situation. It's good to have these wizards to help you out from a tough place. But we should not forget the real questions: - In two years the vendor would be several hardware generations ahead. Would they still support the driver for your (than old) hardware? If not, how would you upgrade your system to the next (or next-next) version? - Many times it further limit your other hardware choices. E.g: You want to move a graphics card from 32bit system to 64bit system. Or from Intel to PPC. Does the vendor provides drivers for all your needs? - And it also limits your software choices. E.g: you need to use Ubuntu (it's not a bad choice, it's just an example of a limitation). To take this to a bigger context, that's exactly like Firefox helps you install Flash plugin automatically. It's good to have this wizard to ease the pain, but it involves the same problems: - Would the vendor (Macromedia, now Adobe) release the versions you need (Only lately we got Flash-9). - Would it limit my hardware choices? (search the archives for zillion questions regarding 64bits). - Would it limit my software choices? Hmmm... and what if I prefer konqi or epiphany? (yes, I know konqi can locate and use Mozilla plugins...) In short, all these Aspirin pain relievers are good, as long as it's clear they don't solve the real problems. If we have a choice (e.g: when planning before we buy hardware), it's better IMO to avoid Aspirin-invoking choices. Bye, -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..." -- Isaac Asimov - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Linux Ubuntu in Haifa - help was needed , now some advise
El lun, 30-04-2007 a las 09:52 +0300, Ohad Lutzky escribió: > Hard drive: will SATA2 be a problem? (I prefer to save budget and > > stay with IDE, but I am not sure if I can find such). I guess 80GB > is large > > enough for such application, right? > > I don't know about SATA2, I've never tried... shouldn't be a problem. > 80GB is certainly large enough as long as you don't intend to store > massive amounts of media (music & movies). I think even that 80GB is too much. Yo don´t want that people will storage at those PCs all the trash that they will not have a home or that your Internet connection will be struggled by massive downloads. Try to save some money and get 40GB instead. Or alternatively make two or three partitions for two or three different OSs. You can add some useful or interesting alternatives as Centos, Reactos or FreeBSD. -- Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Linux Ubuntu in Haifa - help was needed , now some advise
El lun, 30-04-2007 a las 11:44 +0300, Oron Peled escribió: > > - In two years the vendor would be several hardware generations > ahead. Would they still support the driver for your (than old) > hardware? If not, how would you upgrade your system to the > next (or next-next) version? At the present, Nvidia has the nvidia-glx-legacy driver for cards up to 10 years ago. In the future, if they will not release newer drives, you will still can use the current ones or the¨ nv¨ instead. For ATI the situation is not different. > - Many times it further limit your other hardware choices. E.g: > You want to move a graphics card from 32bit system to 64bit system. > Or from Intel to PPC. Does the vendor provides drivers for all > your needs? That is not the issue for on board cards. > > - And it also limits your software choices. E.g: you need to use > Ubuntu (it's not a bad choice, it's just an example of a limitation). These proprietary drivers are usually released as binaries and packaged by the maintainers of the different distros. > To take this to a bigger context, that's exactly like Firefox helps > you install Flash plugin automatically. It's good to have this wizard > to ease the pain, but it involves the same problems: > > - Would the vendor (Macromedia, now Adobe) release the versions > you need (Only lately we got Flash-9). > > - Would it limit my hardware choices? (search the archives for zillion > questions regarding 64bits). They will do while Linux will be more and more accepted by the people. And people currently do. -- Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Nokia 770 Lecture - Addendum
Hello All, I wanted to thank all the attendees to my lecture tonight. I had some fun... I hope I opened a window for at least some of you and the development for the Maemo platform especially regarding Hebrew - will grow. Any of you interested in more information and details regarding the device - please contact me off-list and I'll reply with a bunch of URL for you to check. Here are a few to get you started: http://www.maemo.org http://www.garage.org http://www.scratchbox.org Happy Hacking! -- .::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html .::.
[Haifux] sandisk titanium vs sandisk cruzer comparison
To everyone who were interested in the comparison between the 2 devices. Sandisk titanium 2gb results: copy of 734156800 bytes took real1m38.763s user0m0.008s sys 0m2.304s hdparm -tT /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdc1: Timing cached reads: 1400 MB in 2.00 seconds = 700.17 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 50 MB in 3.05 seconds = 16.37 MB/sec Sandisk cruzer 2gb copy of the same file real1m45.324s user0m0.016s sys 0m2.280s hdparm -tT /dev/sda1: Timing cached reads: 1366 MB in 2.00 seconds = 682.42 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 42 MB in 3.12 seconds = 13.47 MB/sec Don't know why it took this time so long to copy the file. usually on the titanium it takes less than 1 min. - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
