Re: [Haifux] Mirroring Fedora repositories for rainy days
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011, Eli Billauer wrote about [Haifux] Mirroring Fedora repositories for rainy days: I'm running Fedora 12, and since I don't intend to upgrade, I thought I should make a copy of the yum repositories, just so I will be able to install whatever I'll need easily even in the longer term future. All examples I've seen talk about saving internet bandwidth, not endurance after phasing out. Unless you're 100% sure that you really want to do this, I don't think you need to do this at all. If you look at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-12arch=i386 you'll see that dozens of mirrors still keep Fedora 12. If you look further back, Fedora 7 still has 5 mirrors, and Fedora Core 2 (more than 6 years old) still has 4 mirrors. For example, http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/ appear to be archiving all Fedora versions that ever existed, since 2003. Note, by the way, that you don't need to do anything special to your yum configuration to use these mirrors. The standard yum configuration used the aforementioned mirrorlist link to find all the available mirrors for your release. -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, Jan 13 2011, 8 Shevat 5771 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |I used to work in a pickle factory, until http://nadav.harel.org.il |I got canned. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Pulseaudio: Sounds good in theory
On Wednesday, 5 בJanuary 2011 11:20:01 Eli Billauer wrote: But I now use Fedora 14, and all the glitches appear to be gone, That tempted me to believe that I can just upgrade pulseaudio and forget all about it.. As a matter of fact, I went for that approach. Time will tell if that was really a quick fix. You should note that some of the complexity is the result of greater integration. This is true when we talk about audio which in my case (Feora-14) invovles ALSA, pulseaudio, Phonon (yes I use KDE) and the applications themselves (some KDE, some not) However, you can see the same phenomena in the UI area (X-server, X-server-drivers, kernel-drivers, desktops [including sometimes composition managers, OpenGL, besides our loved window managers) Example for this integration: In another post, you asked about the mixer -- current GNOME and KDE mixers show/control the pulseaudio settings (including separate volume control for separate applications). However Older versions had problems because they saw both the ALSA hardware control (which only confuse the user, because their names vary for every audio-card) and the software mixer created by pulseaudio. This means us normal users (not RH University graduates ;-) have two options: * Becoming [semi)-experts in the (e.g: audio) domain. This has a lot of benefits, but not always possible (time limitations) * Trust our stack integrators, both upstream and packagers. At the same time, try to check them and help them by opening bugs, talking with them on mailing lists, IRC etc. BTW: When pulseaudio entered Fedora it uncovered a *lot* of latent bugs in different ALSA drivers. Part of the improvement in pulseaudio over the latest release is due to fixing those kernel bugs. The truth is that the difference between the versions is that FC12 gives you 0.9.21-5, while FC14 gives 0.9.21-7. Pulseaudio itself switched to 0.9.22 only a month ago more or less, so I suppose they take intermediate versions. Anyhow, I downloaded the RPMs intended for Fedora 14 and upgraded with them. Again, trying to upgrade bits and pieces (with --nodeps?) will no doubt help you graduate the RH University (unless you drop in the middle) However, it's not the most effective way to solve your direct problem. Fedora-12 is EOL for more than a month now -- if you don't want to upgrade once/twice a year you may have chosen the wrong distribution for your needs. I use Fedora exactly because of its bleeding edge policy -- but that's me. I choose other distributions when I need something with a long release cycle (Centos, Debian stable) By the way, my first attempt was to download the sources for 0.9.22, but ./configure failed on some missing dependency. I suppose that only Red Hat University graduates compile from sources nowadays. The interesting question is *which* dependency? -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron Normal people ... believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features ... yet. -- Scott Adams ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Pulseaudio: Sounds good in theory
On Wednesday, 5 בJanuary 2011 15:57:07 Nadav Har'El wrote: I've been using pavucontrol (I don't know what is padevchooser), and used it successfully to select between the sound card's microphone, and a USB-plugged microphone. MeToo, but notice that it's not needed anymore with modern desktops. Since Fedora-13 (I now user 14), both GNOME and KDE mixers are fully pulseaudio aware and show the required controls natively. So pavucontrol remains for people that use other (less common) desktops. -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. (H. Spencer) ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Mirroring Fedora repositories for rainy days
Thanks, Nadav. Even though this didn't put me off 100%, your remark is valuable indeed. Since my choice of distribution and unwillingness to upgrade becomes an issue all the time, I'll put it short: I prefer to stick to a certain distro and solve its problem over upgrading all the time exchanging one problem with another. Not to mention that I run external applications and homegrown scripts that may or may not survive an upgrade. Therefore it doesn't matter how soon the distro phases out, since I'm going to run it several years after that anyhow. The choice of Fedora was because it's popular and hence discussed widely in newsgroups, and I didn't want Ubuntu for reasons as rational as anyone's in those matters. As a matter of fact, there's an advantage of running a phased-out distro: If I want to install a new application with yum, I'm not automatically forced to upgrade other packages because of new dependencies. That is an advantage for someone who considers an upgrade an opportunity to break something that worked. Which, as you know, happens every now and then. Eli Nadav Har'El wrote: Unless you're 100% sure that you really want to do this, I don't think you need to do this at all. If you look at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-12arch=i386 you'll see that dozens of mirrors still keep Fedora 12. If you look further back, Fedora 7 still has 5 mirrors, and Fedora Core 2 (more than 6 years old) still has 4 mirrors. For example, http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/ appear to be archiving all Fedora versions that ever existed, since 2003. Note, by the way, that you don't need to do anything special to your yum configuration to use these mirrors. The standard yum configuration used the aforementioned mirrorlist link to find all the available mirrors for your release. -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
