Re: [Hampshire] Google Chrome OS..?

2009-07-10 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/7/9 The Holy ettlz :
> Personally, I don't care much for Chrome OS per se, but I do look
> forward to any benefits and improved hardware support that we see
> finding its way back into the mainline kernel. I just hope Google uses
> any leverage it has to make hardware developers release specs and make
> their kit compliant with those specs (not mired in a truckload of bugs
> or 50 pages of incomplete errata that miss out on the biggest
> braindeadnesses that the developers have to work around the hard way).
> In particular, I hope it'll make those persistent off-vendors of broken
> ACPI tables clean up their act.
>
> And, no, commitments to developing kernel shims and binary-only drivers
> will not be good enough.
>

Apparently Adobe are supporting this. So I hope that means a decent
Flash player becomes available. I know Flash is evil, but it would be
easier to tolerate the evil if it worked properly. We can even hope
that Google can convince Adobe to open source it!

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Re: [Hampshire] Google Chrome OS..?

2009-07-10 Thread Alan Pope
2009/7/10 Philip Stubbs :
> Apparently Adobe are supporting this. So I hope that means a decent
> Flash player becomes available. I know Flash is evil, but it would be
> easier to tolerate the evil if it worked properly. We can even hope
> that Google can convince Adobe to open source it!
>

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

That's a good one.

I do enjoy the friday jokes on this list.

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:17:41 +0100
john lewis  wrote:

Hello john,

> Didn't find your ice cream but the restaurant had there own local

A pity, since Hockings ice cream is a total pleasure to eat.

> brand and that was pretty good and we finished up getting a bag of
> mixed fudge from the fudge shop just up the road from the station, it
> was all gone before we got on the train!

No surprise there, either.  Fudge is a major weakness of mine.

Glad you had a good time.

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread john lewis
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:22:47 +0100
Hugo Mills  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 10:17:41PM +0100, John Lewis wrote:
> > Can't remember what the others had to eat but we got though a couple
> > of carafes of pinot grigio.
> 
>That'll explain why you can't remember what everyone else had,
> then. :)

I do remember I staggered a bit when I got out of my seat and bent down
to pick up my rucksack! but a few minutes walking sorted that out.

It was a Hungarian pinot grigio and just sufficently dry to complement
the sardines, it must have been more alcoholic than expected ;-)

Going back to the original comment about retirees being on a permanent
sort of holiday we hadn't made any plans for a visit to Minehead
yesterday but when the daughter who lives in Dorchester phoned about
9am to ask if we'd like to take a train ride we said yes! It is great
to be able to 'just do things' 

About the only fixed things in our weeks are my wife's hairdressing
appointment and her Sunday morning god-bothering session and even that
gets superceded on the rare occasions we need go somewhere for the day. 

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:17:33 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:

> > brand and that was pretty good and we finished up getting a bag of
> > mixed fudge from the fudge shop just up the road from the station,
> > it was all gone before we got on the train!
> 
> No surprise there, either.  Fudge is a major weakness of mine.

It is almost worth making a special trip to Minehead just for the fudge
from that shop. Lots of varieties and made right there in the shop, it
has quite a different texture to the boxed stuff you get in touristy
places and nowhere near as sweet and sickly, so easy to eat a bagful.

Tim, my son in law, just pointed to the varieties he fancied and said
two of those or three of those, so quickly filled a fair sized bag. I
did notice at one point the shop assistant emptying the smallish bag
she started with into a bigger one.

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Re: [Hampshire] Google Chrome OS..?

2009-07-10 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:29:01 +0100
Philip Stubbs  wrote:

> Apparently Adobe are supporting this. So I hope that means a decent
> Flash player becomes available. I know Flash is evil, but it would be
> easier to tolerate the evil if it worked properly. We can even hope
> that Google can convince Adobe to open source it!

I'd be happy if I could even install it, too many website have stuff
that is inaccessible without flash, all I get is  

Setting up nspluginwrapper (1.3.0-1) ... 
Auto-updating system plugin path. Looking for plugins
in /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins 
Setting up ia32-libs-libidn11 (1.10-0.0) ... 
Setting up ia32-libs-libssh2 (0.18-0.0) ... 
Setting up ia32-libs-libcurl3 (7.18.2-0.0) ... 
Setting up ia32-libs-libnspr4 (4.7.1-0.1) ... 
Setting up ia32-libs-libnss3 (3.12.0-0.1) ... 
Setting up flashplayer-mozilla (2:10.0.22.87-0.2) ... 
nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found
for /usr/lib/flashplayer/libflashplayer.so dpkg: error processing
flashplayer-mozilla (--configure): subprocess installed
post-installation script returned error exit status 1 
Errors were encountered while processing: 
flashplayer-mozilla 
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) 
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[Hampshire] Not broke, but 'fixed' anyway

2009-07-10 Thread Chris. Aubrey-Smith
I usually accept any updates which Debian offer, but this has begun to lead
to all kinds of annoyances.

I use CUPS to manage a network printer, but  I tend to turn on just those
bits of the network that I need rather than consuming electricity
pointlessly. So, if I don't plan to use the printer then I don't climb up to
another room in the house to switch it on.

Just recently, a message has started to appear every few seconds: 'Not
connected? Printer (xxx) may not be connected.' If this message is cleared
it reappears after a few seconds, blanking out rather more than a third of
the toolbars at the top of my spreadsheet, browser, or whatever I'm using at
the time. 'Hide' makes no difference; it overrides it, anyway.

Can anyone suggest a way of suppressing the irritating printer message,
other than leaving it switched on all day?

Chris.

p.s. The most recent version of OpenOffice no longer 'greys out' the Save
icon after the file has been saved, so there's no visible indication of the
need for a further Save. G...
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[Hampshire] [OT] Mobile broadband coverage

2009-07-10 Thread Simon Capstick
For those of you who are using or interested in using mobile broadband 
you may find these new coverage maps from Ofcom useful:

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/broadband/cellular/3g/maps/3gmaps/coverage_maps.pdf

Referring page: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/features/msaone


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Re: [Hampshire] Not broke, but 'fixed' anyway

2009-07-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:55:54 +0100
"Chris. Aubrey-Smith"  wrote:

Hello Chris.,

> p.s. The most recent version of OpenOffice no longer 'greys out' the
> Save icon after the file has been saved, so there's no visible
> indication of the need for a further Save. G...

It puts an asterisk in the status bar at the bottom.  Although, it does
no harm to click the "save" button as the operation is ignored if the
document hasn't been modified since the last save.

However, like you, I'm of the opinion that this change is not an
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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:28:33 +0100
john lewis  wrote:

Hello john,

> It is almost worth making a special trip to Minehead just for the fudge
> from that shop. Lots of varieties and made right there in the shop, it

Mail order.  Do they do mail order?!   :-)

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:26:39 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:28:33 +0100
> john lewis  wrote:
> 
> Hello john,
> 
> > It is almost worth making a special trip to Minehead just for the
> > fudge from that shop. Lots of varieties and made right there in the
> > shop, it
> 
> Mail order.  Do they do mail order?!   :-)

http://www.rolysfudge.co.uk/

is the place I think

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Re: [Hampshire] Not broke, but 'fixed' anyway

2009-07-10 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:55:54 +0100
"Chris. Aubrey-Smith"  wrote:


> I use CUPS to manage a network printer, but  I tend to turn on just
> those bits of the network that I need rather than consuming
> electricity pointlessly. So, if I don't plan to use the printer then
> I don't climb up to another room in the house to switch it on.

We too have a network printer (Kyocera FS-1100) but have to leave it
permanently on, well at least as long as my wife's XP system is on
which in practice is 24x7, because Family Tree Maker refuses to
allow updates unless a printer is connected.  

I haven't seen any CUPS errors such as you mention

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[Hampshire] [OT] Internet Explorer on Windows 7

2009-07-10 Thread Sean Gibbins
I receive newsletters from Technet from time to time, which I scan to
see what's occurring in the world of Windows.

This morning's effort kicks off with the following question from
Alexandria Ball, the author of the email:

"You may have seen in the news a few weeks back that, in order for
Europe to get Windows 7 at the same time as the global launch on 22
October, Windows 7 will have to be shipped without Internet Explorer.
So, when you buy a new computer, you will not have a browser as part of
the operating system. I would be interested to hear your views on this
so please email me."

What a peculiar question for a representative of a major corporation to
send out to their customers! I don't know precisely how any rulings
within the EEC affect Microsoft's ability to ship browsers with Windows
7, but it seems highly unlikely to me that is the case as implied. We
are referred to a blog [1] for clarification, and it would appear that
the summary of the situation is that the bundling of IE is the issue (or
more accurately perhaps, the integration), and that it can be overcome
by simply following the same model as the competition does and making
various browsers available for users to install once the OS is up and
running.

The statement 'you will not have a browser as part of the operating
system' is interesting too, since there are /many/ things that won't
ship as part of Windows 7 that I have come to expect as standard with
most Linux distros, so why is this suddenly an issue? Doubtless there
won't be a spreadsheet application or database manager shipping with
Windows 7 either, so why aren't we invited to debate this?

I really can't fathom if this portion of the email was gloriously naive
and ill-informed on the part of the sender, or an attempt to raise the
rabble over some perceived injustice of the EEC rulings using
deliberately fuzzy facts.

Any thoughts?

Sean

[1] http://tinyurl.com/mt7aty

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:28 +0100
john lewis  wrote:

Hello john,

> http://www.rolysfudge.co.uk/
> is the place I think

Excellent.  Thanks, John.

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Internet Explorer on Windows 7

2009-07-10 Thread Vic

> "You may have seen in the news a few weeks back that, in order for
> Europe to get Windows 7 at the same time as the global launch on 22
> October, Windows 7 will have to be shipped without Internet Explorer.
> So, when you buy a new computer, you will not have a browser as part of
> the operating system. I would be interested to hear your views on this
> so please email me."

This is *sort of* the case.

The EU regulator is investigating Microsoft regarding anti-trust - they
see pre-installing IE on a Windows desktop to be an abuse of the monopoly
position they have.

Microsoft decided to try to head off any action by removing IE. Note that
this was Microsoft's decision - it was *not* forced upon them, and nor do
the EU see what they've done as being in any way constructive.

> The statement 'you will not have a browser as part of the operating
> system' is interesting too, since there are /many/ things that won't
> ship as part of Windows 7 that I have come to expect as standard with
> most Linux distros, so why is this suddenly an issue?

Because they have perpetuated the fallacy that a browser is the *only* way
to get to the Intertubes. Ergo no browser - no net.

Completely wrong, of course - but this is Marketing, not reality...

> I really can't fathom if this portion of the email was gloriously naive
> and ill-informed on the part of the sender, or an attempt to raise the
> rabble over some perceived injustice of the EEC rulings using
> deliberately fuzzy facts.

There's no doubt it is the latter.

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Internet Explorer on Windows 7

2009-07-10 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:44:55 +0100 (BST)
"Vic"  wrote:

> 
> > "You may have seen in the news a few weeks back that, in order for
> > Europe to get Windows 7 at the same time as the global launch on 22
> > October, Windows 7 will have to be shipped without Internet
> > Explorer. So, when you buy a new computer, you will not have a
> > browser as part of the operating system. I would be interested to
> > hear your views on this so please email me."
> 
> This is *sort of* the case.
> 
> The EU regulator is investigating Microsoft regarding anti-trust -
> they see pre-installing IE on a Windows desktop to be an abuse of the
> monopoly position they have.
> 
> Microsoft decided to try to head off any action by removing IE. Note
> that this was Microsoft's decision - it was *not* forced upon them,
> and nor do the EU see what they've done as being in any way
> constructive.

see this item from El Reg

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/08/browser_peace_talks/

which suggest the EU regulators might not allow Microsoft to do that

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread Lisi
On Friday 10 July 2009 12:40:58 Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:28 +0100
> john lewis  wrote:
>
> Hello john,
>
> > http://www.rolysfudge.co.uk/
> > is the place I think
>
> Excellent.  Thanks, John.

That firm doesn't seem to have a branch in Minehead.

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Re: [Hampshire] Karmic RAT Party

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen Davies
Vic,
 Who needs or even cares about Ubuntu when there is Beer available 
especially Real Ale?

 ;-) 


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Re: [Hampshire] Karmic RAT Party

2009-07-10 Thread Sean Gibbins
Stephen Davies wrote:
> Vic,
>  Who needs or even cares about Ubuntu when there is Beer available 
> especially Real Ale?

There's a reward on offer for the person who can get Steve drunk and
tattooed with the Ubuntu symbol.

:-P

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Re: [Hampshire] Karmic RAT Party

2009-07-10 Thread Hugo Mills
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 05:03:24PM +0100, Sean Gibbins wrote:
> Stephen Davies wrote:
> > Vic,
> >  Who needs or even cares about Ubuntu when there is Beer available 
> > especially Real Ale?
> 
> There's a reward on offer for the person who can get Steve drunk and
> tattooed with the Ubuntu symbol.

   Extra bonus if they survive to collect. :)

   Hugo.

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[Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread Lisi
My new toy has just arrived and I have been unpacking it and trying it out.

I have told it to its satisfaction what language and keyboard I want, and it 
is asking me to choose a password between 6 and 12 characters long.  I have 
chosen a password of 11 characters but it is objecting on the grounds that a 
password cannot contain "specific characters".

What on earth does it mean?  Which of the 11 characters must I remove?  I have 
consulted with Google and searched in dictionaries to no avail.  Help!!!  I 
want to play with my nice new toy.

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Re: [Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread Sean Gibbins
Lisi wrote:
> My new toy has just arrived and I have been unpacking it and trying it out.
>
> I have told it to its satisfaction what language and keyboard I want, and it 
> is asking me to choose a password between 6 and 12 characters long.  I have 
> chosen a password of 11 characters but it is objecting on the grounds that a 
> password cannot contain "specific characters".
>
> What on earth does it mean?  Which of the 11 characters must I remove?  I 
> have 
> consulted with Google and searched in dictionaries to no avail.  Help!!!  I 
> want to play with my nice new toy.

So are you locked out or simply bewildered as to what constitutes an
acceptable character Lisi?

One problem we encountered with Sam's was that you would enter in your
password which it would secretly convert to all upper case, so that when
you tried to get in it would decline if you were entering lower case
characters. I thought that had been fixed.

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Re: [Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread Lisi
On Friday 10 July 2009 17:32:41 Sean Gibbins wrote:
> So are you locked out or simply bewildered as to what constitutes an
> acceptable character Lisi?

Simply bewildered as to what constitutes an acceptable character.  I haven't 
been allowed to get as far as being locked out.  I am stuck on "please enter 
a password" - but I don't understand the error message.  As far as I am 
concerned, all 11 are specific characters, because no other character would 
do.

So I cannot get any further.  There is no point in thinking up a different 
password, because since I haven't got a clue what the problem is I would 
probably transgress again. :-(

If no-one else knows what it means either, I shall obviously have use trial 
and error.  But I am a poor typist and that would take ages.

Sorry for the noise, :-(

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Re: [Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread Sean Gibbins
Lisi wrote:
> On Friday 10 July 2009 17:32:41 Sean Gibbins wrote:
>   
>> So are you locked out or simply bewildered as to what constitutes an
>> acceptable character Lisi?
>> 
>
> Simply bewildered as to what constitutes an acceptable character.  I haven't 
> been allowed to get as far as being locked out.  I am stuck on "please enter 
> a password" - but I don't understand the error message.  As far as I am 
> concerned, all 11 are specific characters, because no other character would 
> do.
>
> So I cannot get any further.  There is no point in thinking up a different 
> password, because since I haven't got a clue what the problem is I would 
> probably transgress again. :-(
>
> If no-one else knows what it means either, I shall obviously have use trial 
> and error.  But I am a poor typist and that would take ages.
>
> Sorry for the noise, :-(

No problem regarding the 'noise' Lisi, I was just wondering what the
extent of the problem was.

I tend to use a combination of upper and lower case alphanumeric
characters plus the odd non-alphanumeric characters for my passwords.
Could it be the latter that is tripping you up?

There might be something of use buried here:

http://www.aspireoneuser.com/forum/index.php

But I am struggling to find a search function!

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Re: [Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread Lisi
On Friday 10 July 2009 17:49:29 Sean Gibbins wrote:
> I tend to use a combination of upper and lower case alphanumeric
> characters plus the odd non-alphanumeric characters for my passwords.

Ditto.

> Could it be the latter that is tripping you up?

Probably.  That is where I shall start my trial and error.

I don't think that Linpus is going to last long if this is an example of its 
user-friendliness.  I was going to attempt to install Debian with LXDE via a 
USB stick eventually anyway.  I just wanted to be sure that evrything worked 
when I go away in August, since that is why I bought it in the first place!  
So I had told Debian that it would have to wait.

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Re: [Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread Lisi
On Friday 10 July 2009 17:49:29 Sean Gibbins wrote:
> I tend to use a combination of upper and lower case alphanumeric
> characters plus the odd non-alphanumeric characters for my passwords.
> Could it be the latter that is tripping you up?

Bingo!  I got rid of the non-alphanumeric characters one by one - and I have 
been able to progress.  But why the *$%^&* couldn't they say "alphanumeric 
only" instead of letting me input the password twice, and then saying 
that "specific characters" are not allowed.  Gr...

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Re: [Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread Sean Gibbins
Lisi wrote:
> Bingo!  I got rid of the non-alphanumeric characters one by one - and I have 
> been able to progress.  But why the *$%^&* couldn't they say "alphanumeric 
> only" instead of letting me input the password twice, and then saying 
> that "specific characters" are not allowed.  Gr...

\o/ yay!

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:57:32 +0100
Lisi  wrote:

Hello Lisi,

> That firm doesn't seem to have a branch in Minehead.

You're right.  I hadn't checked before replying to John.  Not that it
matters, really.

Fudge:  I just can't get enough, and it's cheaper to buy online than
drive to the nearest place I can buy it.

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Re: [Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:23:10 +0100
Lisi  wrote:

Hello Lisi,

> But why the *$%^&* couldn't they say "alphanumeric 
> only" instead of letting me input the password twice, and then saying 
> that "specific characters" are not allowed.  Gr...

This is a major design failure.  Telling you "something" is wrong, then
not qualifying what it was exactly is a fault.  Secondly, you should be
informed beforehand that certain characters are disallowed.  IIWY, I'd
file a bug report.

As an aside, it annoys me that errors are still often just quoted as
numeric (error 504 for example).  That was fine when memory was
expensive and software came with manuals (paper=cheap) that you could
look up the codes in.  These days, without manuals, and memory being as
cheap as it is, human readable^Wunderstandable error strings should be
reported.

I know it's often possible to search the WWW for them, but if the error
means you can't get online..

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread Lisi
On Friday 10 July 2009 18:18:54 Brad Rogers wrote:
> Fudge:  I just can't get enough, and it's cheaper to buy online than
> drive to the nearest place I can buy it.

Buy a cookbook??

Seriously, I used to make my own because manufactured fudge is so inferior.  I 
generally managed to eat quite a high percentage of it in the process of 
cutting it up and putting it into the tin.

I don't make it now I can't eat it myself.  Having to throw away all those 
delicious crumbs would rub too much salt in the wound. :-(

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:31:43 +0100
Lisi  wrote:

Hello Lisi,

> Buy a cookbook??

Well yes, I *know* I /should/.

{time passes}

Just d/l'd a recipe from UKTV food.

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Re: [Hampshire] Password problem on first boot up of Acer Aspire One

2009-07-10 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:23:10 +0100
Lisi  wrote:

> On Friday 10 July 2009 17:49:29 Sean Gibbins wrote:
> > I tend to use a combination of upper and lower case alphanumeric
> > characters plus the odd non-alphanumeric characters for my
> > passwords. Could it be the latter that is tripping you up?
> 
> Bingo!  I got rid of the non-alphanumeric characters one by one - and
> I have been able to progress.  But why the *$%^&* couldn't they say
> "alphanumeric only" instead of letting me input the password twice,
> and then saying that "specific characters" are not allowed.  Gr...

I have generally found that underscores_are_OK but other punctuation
characters like ! are not. I had assumed because they have
specific meanings in some computer languages.  

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:57:32 +0100
Lisi  wrote:

> On Friday 10 July 2009 12:40:58 Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:28 +0100
> > john lewis  wrote:
> >
> > Hello john,
> >
> > > http://www.rolysfudge.co.uk/
> > > is the place I think
> >
> > Excellent.  Thanks, John.
> 
> That firm doesn't seem to have a branch in Minehead.

they are at 56 The Avenue Minehead, Lisi. I think they may have moved
there from Dunster. I don't think there can be two Fudge Shops in The
Avenue and I know the one we visited is next door to a teddy bear shop.

Google, he say Exmoor Teddy Bears is at 56B The Avenue, they too
started off in Dunster. 

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Re: [Hampshire] Konsole

2009-07-10 Thread Lisi
On Friday 10 July 2009 22:24:34 john lewis wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:57:32 +0100
>
> Lisi  wrote:
> > On Friday 10 July 2009 12:40:58 Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:28 +0100
> > > john lewis  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello john,
> > >
> > > > http://www.rolysfudge.co.uk/
> > > > is the place I think
> > >
> > > Excellent.  Thanks, John.
> >
> > That firm doesn't seem to have a branch in Minehead.
>
> they are at 56 The Avenue Minehead, Lisi. I think they may have moved
> there from Dunster. 

Yes, their website does list a shop in Dunster.  They obviously don't update 
their website very often.

Lisi

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