Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
i can not recommend the Qnap Ts-412 NAS enough... small, takes 4 drives (i currently have 4x2TBs) with green drives its almost silent and powers down and uses very little energy its got a linux base and has ssh access and oodles of functions and services and its bloody cheap too! -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
I'm pleased with my Netgear Stora, but only as a result of OpenStora: http://www.openstora.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Leo On 31/05/12 15:37, Rob Malpass wrote: Hi all Thanks for your replies. I think I'm going down the DIY route. On a related note, one thing I want to do is have all these files in one folder - which is impossible as they need to span across two physical drives. So what I have at present is: Physical Drive a: 1973-2001 Physical Drive b: 2002-2012 Is there a way to see these as one folder 1973-2012? If so, how do I set this up? Cheers Rob -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 31/05/12 11:39, Rob Malpass wrote: > I'm looking for a NAS device / media server - need a recommendation > please. > HP Microserver vote here. I have one with 8x2TB running btrfs and it's great. Of course you can start small with the disk that comes with it and a couple more sizable ones for your data. > 1) Needs to be able to store 4TB+ of data so presumably need at > least 2 drive bays. > The benefit of the HP microserver is expandability. I have 5 disks internal to my microserver. The boot disk is in a caddy in the optical bay, plus 4x2TB internal in the server and a further 4x2TB in an external array attached to a mini PCIe eSATA card. > 2) Needs to be on 24/7 > Mine has been on 24x7 for some months now. Up until recently it was sat on my desk about 1 foot from my ears, and with 8 drives it kinda got annoyingly loud. So I've moved it 2 feet away and will probably find somewhere else for it when I have time. I've had the microserver for over a year now - nearly 18 months and it's just spot on for these types of things. Mine is running Ubuntu 12.04 Server and does a few extra things other than just file serving. It's not the most grunt-filled server in the world, but it works, and it was cheap-ish. Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPx7PEAAoJEMx6UFtfvV4w5+4H/0mtAlJZiyLHdylO1dpRtmPq CKJK5LimGPzxP4hBFlxQyp+PkAf/lAjFVY3XIAWiuxcPvU//ngYx3nUut+Sr1XHP XOdpG7Zp5WrtSnlCeYh0TrYxgtlCUOsSrne6MsummNGWXkhNN1dmFMD2ckIpbHCI /49IRgFs4bJq+ZKsDyd2G5RvfRXtPVbT+nehUlKgb/0/v43r4z1nmhE0LB3DxQXM MiPZs9hhMFwRPuIF7tfZUBd66nthNI3OOfSwXORajCqLSXeNtBA9//jeGH13vYIB fVUWc2XUvgnT9ekOd88/iholnxVNsvQN8vyCpNhyHtd1rbK6kFZEooW0KeAI1jo= =pI6C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN - IMPORTANT] Time shift - HantsLUG Meeting this Saturday
On 31/05/12 09:39, Dr A. J. Trickett wrote: Regarding this Saturday's meeting: There are all sorts of family things happening this weekend, so I won't be able to get to the meeting -- again. I hope it goes well. I'll see you all after the summer break. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
On 31.05.2012 13:30, Tony Whitmore wrote: On 31.05.2012 11:39, Rob Malpass wrote: So I guess my question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver? Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to the TV. Are there any other considerations here? The following spring to mind: Power consumption (& therefore running cost) Physical space Availability of spares/replacements Expected lifespan of existing equipment Another thing to add is heat production. One of the main reasons for getting rid of all the old PCs I had accrued over the years was the combined heat output making the room that they lived in rather uncomfortable in the summer. I've had a single file/print/SSH server for about 4 years now and it's much better in that regard than lots of separate boxes. Tony -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
On 31.05.2012 15:37, Rob Malpass wrote: On a related note, one thing I want to do is have all these files in one folder - which is impossible as they need to span across two physical drives. So what I have at present is: Physical Drive a: 1973-2001 Physical Drive b: 2002-2012 Is there a way to see these as one folder 1973-2012? If so, how do I set this up? Is there a reason they have to be two separate drive volumes? You could use LVM to pool the capacity on the two physical drives and have all your files 1973-2012 accessible through one point. If there is a reason they have to be on two separate drive volumes, then you could create symbolic links from one drive to another. If you created symbolic links for 1972-2001 in the same location as 2002-2012, for example, then you could access 1973-2012 from one place transparently. Tony -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
Hi all Thanks for your replies. I think I'm going down the DIY route. On a related note, one thing I want to do is have all these files in one folder - which is impossible as they need to span across two physical drives. So what I have at present is: Physical Drive a: 1973-2001 Physical Drive b: 2002-2012 Is there a way to see these as one folder 1973-2012? If so, how do I set this up? Cheers Rob -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
On Thu, May 31, 2012 13:30, Tony Whitmore wrote: [snip] > The following spring to mind: > Power consumption (& therefore running cost) An "anecdotal" tick for HP (in the absence of power consumption data) > Physical space Good on that! > Availability of spares/replacements This is actually a biggie, the more generic you go the more you can (arguably of course) be assured that you will be able to find bits and bobs for your kit. Big vendors typically stop hardware support at some arbitrary point in the future. > Expected lifespan of existing equipment > All worth taking into consideration I think! Yes, absolutely. I think that it should be on the "future expense list" of anybody hoarding data (if you value your data of course) to think of a continuous maintenance upgrade process. Rather upgrade and migrate your data to newer kit every two or three years, than to have to find that you have lost your data. It's a pain, but well worth it. IMHO it should be justifiable in order to project spending approximately £1000 or so every two or three years to keep your data "fresh and safe". This of course assumes that you maintain your own data, and not farm it off to things like Dropbox and (shudder) Jungledisk. I wish that there was a good immutable way to store large volumes of data indefinitely. CD-RW/DVD/BlueRay and Co just seems so prone to failure (I yet have to find an old CD I wrote 10 or more years ago that is still readable). Where is that gold platter when you need it! :-) But in the absence of that, best we keep on migrating our data to new/better places. -- Regards, Jan Henkins -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
On 31.05.2012 11:39, Rob Malpass wrote: So I guess my question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver? Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to the TV. Are there any other considerations here? The following spring to mind: Power consumption (& therefore running cost) Physical space Availability of spares/replacements Expected lifespan of existing equipment All worth taking into consideration I think! Tony -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Old equipment
Hi, The company system admin has 4 older P4 based PCs to give away. I don't think any of them have hard drives. They would all be, collect from North Hampshire (Kingsclere). Contact me off list by Friday noon if interested. I think his definition of desktop is a bit off btw I'd call the Scenics at least mini-towers. > > Looking for home: > > 2x desktop pc's > p4 with 1gb of Rdram > p4 3.0ghz with Ht based on intel 775 socket no memroy ddr2 > > 2x fujitsu scenic desktops p4 no hdd 128mb Memory > > 8x hot swap cases for scsi -- Bob Dunlop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
I was tempted to get one of those hps myself I like the design of them is there a option to get one of units without microshite home server? Lowering the cost. Sent from my iPhone On 31 May 2012, at 12:11, "Jan Henkins" wrote: > Hello Rob, > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 11:39, Rob Malpass wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I'm looking for a NAS device / media server - need a recommendation >> please. >> >> 1) Needs to be able to store 4TB+ of data so presumably need at least 2 >> drive bays. >> >> 2) Needs to be on 24/7 >> >> I was thinking (and this list has previously raved about) a HP >> microserver. However this gives me a dilemma. I have a PC I could >> resurrect at the cost of the drives (which I'd need for the microserver >> anyway) and the cost of a big PSU (big enough to run several hard drives >> in one box). Said cost would probably come out just under the £230 for >> a microserver. >> >> All of my previous NAS devices (Bufallo Linkstation, Netgear SLU, Netgear >> ReadyNAS) have all been devoted NAS units so this is the first time I'd >> ever be buying a "proper" server if I bought the HP thing. So I guess my >> question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver? >> Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to >> the TV. Are there any other considerations here? > > There are several things that counts heavily in the HP Microserver's favour: > > * As opposed to the self-build thing, you have relatively easy vendor > escalation if things goes pear-shaped > * It can take 4x LFF SATA drives, so you can chuck 2x, 3x or 4x 4TB drives > in there and play with various levels of RAID for redundancy. The 3.5" > drives are cheaper and loads bigger capacity wise than their 2.5" > counterparts. > * It's still a low-power device. > * It has been designed to be used in a 24x7 environment. > * The price is right! :-) > > I can probably go on, but will spare you that. Don't get me wrong, I love > the DIY route for things, but if you have 4TB+ of data to store - that is > an awfully large amount of data to lose... I break out into a cold sweat > just thinking about it! > > Anyway, even singing the HP's praises, remember that nothing is 100% > certain. Because you will be using software to do RAID, things might go > wrong. Depending on your budget, I would suggest you evaluate additional > layers of backup. > > -- > Regards, > Jan Henkins > > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
Hello Rob, On Thu, May 31, 2012 11:39, Rob Malpass wrote: > Hi all > > I'm looking for a NAS device / media server - need a recommendation > please. > > 1) Needs to be able to store 4TB+ of data so presumably need at least 2 > drive bays. > > 2) Needs to be on 24/7 > > I was thinking (and this list has previously raved about) a HP > microserver. However this gives me a dilemma. I have a PC I could > resurrect at the cost of the drives (which I'd need for the microserver > anyway) and the cost of a big PSU (big enough to run several hard drives > in one box). Said cost would probably come out just under the £230 for > a microserver. > > All of my previous NAS devices (Bufallo Linkstation, Netgear SLU, Netgear > ReadyNAS) have all been devoted NAS units so this is the first time I'd > ever be buying a "proper" server if I bought the HP thing. So I guess my > question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver? > Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to > the TV. Are there any other considerations here? There are several things that counts heavily in the HP Microserver's favour: * As opposed to the self-build thing, you have relatively easy vendor escalation if things goes pear-shaped * It can take 4x LFF SATA drives, so you can chuck 2x, 3x or 4x 4TB drives in there and play with various levels of RAID for redundancy. The 3.5" drives are cheaper and loads bigger capacity wise than their 2.5" counterparts. * It's still a low-power device. * It has been designed to be used in a 24x7 environment. * The price is right! :-) I can probably go on, but will spare you that. Don't get me wrong, I love the DIY route for things, but if you have 4TB+ of data to store - that is an awfully large amount of data to lose... I break out into a cold sweat just thinking about it! Anyway, even singing the HP's praises, remember that nothing is 100% certain. Because you will be using software to do RAID, things might go wrong. Depending on your budget, I would suggest you evaluate additional layers of backup. -- Regards, Jan Henkins -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
On 31 May 2012 11:39, Rob Malpass wrote: > question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver? > Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to the > TV. Are there any other considerations here? power consumption speed space aesthetics reliability ongoing admin overhead -- Philip Stubbs -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
Save the money and build it yourself freenas is they way to go. I had a old Pentium 3 server running over a year with no downtime loaded it up with a few decent sized SCSI drives happy days, Current got a dell power edge 800 running comes with a SATA controller so loaded up a few decent sized drives the O/S runs from a flash disk all configurations are carried out through a web Gui the drives are currently in a Raid1 array and the system has been running for half a year no problems setting up samba shares is a piece of cake with this :) Sent from my iPhone On 31 May 2012, at 11:39, "Rob Malpass" wrote: > Hi all > > I'm looking for a NAS device / media server - need a recommendation please. > > 1) Needs to be able to store 4TB+ of data so presumably need at least 2 drive > bays. > 2) Needs to be on 24/7 > > I was thinking (and this list has previously raved about) a HP microserver. > However this gives me a dilemma. I have a PC I could resurrect at the cost > of the drives (which I'd need for the microserver anyway) and the cost of a > big PSU (big enough to run several hard drives in one box). Said cost would > probably come out just under the £230 for a microserver. > > All of my previous NAS devices (Bufallo Linkstation, Netgear SLU, Netgear > ReadyNAS) have all been devoted NAS units so this is the first time I'd ever > be buying a "proper" server if I bought the HP thing. So I guess my > question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver? > Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to the > TV. Are there any other considerations here? > > Cheers > Rob > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
I see no reason not to build it yourself. Depending on the criticality of your data you may wish to consider a RAID system, which you can do through Linux in software. You might like to look at some mini-itx motherboards that are around. Some are quite impressive. The case is likely to be the thing you'll struggle with, in terms of cost and space. I haven't been over-impressed with cheap stand-alone NAS boxes, in terms of performance. I'm sure the expensive ones do better. Cheers, Tim B. > Hi all > > > > I'm looking for a NAS device / media server - need a recommendation > please. > > > > 1) Needs to be able to store 4TB+ of data so presumably need at least 2 > drive bays. > > 2) Needs to be on 24/7 > > > > I was thinking (and this list has previously raved about) a HP > microserver. > However this gives me a dilemma. I have a PC I could resurrect at the > cost > of the drives (which I'd need for the microserver anyway) and the cost of > a > big PSU (big enough to run several hard drives in one box). Said cost > would probably come out just under the £230 for a microserver. > > > > All of my previous NAS devices (Bufallo Linkstation, Netgear SLU, Netgear > ReadyNAS) have all been devoted NAS units so this is the first time I'd > ever > be buying a "proper" server if I bought the HP thing. So I guess my > question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver? > Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to > the > TV. Are there any other considerations here? > > > > Cheers > > Rob > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS
Hi all I'm looking for a NAS device / media server - need a recommendation please. 1) Needs to be able to store 4TB+ of data so presumably need at least 2 drive bays. 2) Needs to be on 24/7 I was thinking (and this list has previously raved about) a HP microserver. However this gives me a dilemma. I have a PC I could resurrect at the cost of the drives (which I'd need for the microserver anyway) and the cost of a big PSU (big enough to run several hard drives in one box). Said cost would probably come out just under the £230 for a microserver. All of my previous NAS devices (Bufallo Linkstation, Netgear SLU, Netgear ReadyNAS) have all been devoted NAS units so this is the first time I'd ever be buying a "proper" server if I bought the HP thing. So I guess my question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver? Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to the TV. Are there any other considerations here? Cheers Rob -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN - IMPORTANT] Time shift - HantsLUG Meeting this Saturday
On 31 May 2012 09:39, Dr A. J. Trickett wrote: > So we have our normal room from 13:00 and we have space before > hand upstairs if we want. Please respond to this email if you want > to use the lab space, otherwise it's probably best to run the > meeting from 13:00 - 18:00. Adam, I am planning to come for 1 pm. Are you still going to give your talk about Digital Photography software? I for one would find it very interesting. -- Clive Woodfine -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Reminder: Surrey LUG Bring-a-box meeting: 2nd June 2012, FSC, Juniper Hall (Dorking)
Hello. A reminder that the next BaB is this Saturday at at the Field Studies Council, Juniper Hall in Dorking from 11am to 5pm. There are still spaces for talks, workshops and the like. Please add them to: http://surrey.lug.org.uk/content/bab-june-2012 BTW one requirement of this venue is that all visitors sign in and out - there will be a sheet by the entrance to the room we're in. Please remember to do so. The weather forecast suggests it will be sunny and warm but not as hot as recently (which I suppose is a good thing!) Hope to see you there! Regards, robert_ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] [ADMIN - IMPORTANT] Time shift - HantsLUG Meeting this Saturday
Regarding this Saturday's meeting: > The online system is displaying that it's only available from > 13:00 so I've booked from then until 6pm. If you wanted to > start earlier then I can't see it being a problem if we occupy > the undergraduate labs upstairs. There's a breakout area that's > free to use up there and even a projector and it won't be busy > as exams finish this Friday for ECS. Also, there's still some > ECS-WLAN access points up there so connectivity won't be a > problem. > > Also, please can you ask people to submit their MAC addresses by > 2pm as a few people were disappointed last time. As I am unable > to add the addresses myself I need to ensure that Helpdesk have > plenty of time to do it as they get very busy. So we have our normal room from 13:00 and we have space before hand upstairs if we want. Please respond to this email if you want to use the lab space, otherwise it's probably best to run the meeting from 13:00 - 18:00. If you want WLAN access please email Oliver on rjo2g10 AT ecs DOT soton DOT ac DOT uk by 2pm (not sure if that's today or tomorrow, but either way earlier is better than later). -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's Razor -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
