[Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
Hi all I've been struggling with Unity/Ubuntu 12.04 on a Mac Desktop seems a good deal less usable than in the pre-Unity days On 10.04.x, you can access every single app cumulatively installed, ever so easily Is there a SysAdmin's walkthrough, of how to return a Unity desktop to full administator's ready functionality ? Please advize, if you can. ( If not, I'll downgrade, keep on updating that .. ) When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of Unity cut-down format .. Instead of giving you a bootup choice of desktop, the system auto-defaults to the latest installed desktop All this is a backwards step - offering less user-friendliness more system-initiated control ( Ubuntu for dummies ? ) thanx, Lesz -- The power of this life, if men will open their hearts to it, will heal them, will create them anew, physically and spiritually. Here is the gospel of earth, ringing with hope, like May mornings with bird-song, fresh and healthy as fields of young grain. But those who would be healed must absorb it not only into their bodies in daily food and warmth but into their minds, because its spiritual power is more intense. It is not reasonable to suppose that an essence so divine and mysterious as life can be confined to material things; therefore, if our bodies need to be in touch with it so do our minds. The joy of a spring day revives a man's spirit, reacting healthily on the bone and the blood, just as the wholesome juices of plants cleanse the body, reacting on the mind. Let us join in the abundant sacrament--for our bodies the crushed gold of harvest and ripe vine-clusters, for our souls the purple fruit of evening with its innumerable seed of stars . Vis Medicatrix Naturae, by Mary Webb, in Spring of Joy: Nature Essays, Constable, London, 1917 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 30/06/12 11:09, Leszek Kobiernicki 1 wrote: On 10.04.x, you can access every single app cumulatively installed, ever so easily In 12.04 it's very search-oriented. Press the Ubuntu button then click the second lens along (Applications Lens) or just tap the Windows (super) key + A and then start typing what you're after. Way more efficient than squirrelling through menus IMO. So to find xchat I do this:- Super + A, X, enter For audacity I do:- Super + A, au, enter etc. Is there a SysAdmin's walkthrough, of how to return a Unity desktop to full administator's ready functionality ? You could install gnome-session-fallback which is a bit like old GNOME 2, but not quite identical. Please advize, if you can. ( If not, I'll downgrade, keep on updating that .. ) .. and then have the issue again in a while when those older releases stop being updated and you have to choose a supported desktop again. You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of Unity cut-down format .. I hear Debian is quite nice :) All this is a backwards step - offering less user-friendliness more system-initiated control ( Ubuntu for dummies ? ) I use it on all my machines, I guess that makes me a dummy. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 30 June 2012 11:09, Leszek Kobiernicki 1 l.kobierni...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi all I've been struggling with Unity/Ubuntu 12.04 on a Mac Desktop seems a good deal less usable than in the pre-Unity days On 10.04.x, you can access every single app cumulatively installed, ever so easily What precisely are you trying to do? If you are trying to find a app you have installed, just press the windows key and the the first few letters of the app name. If uses search instead of multi-level menus. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Google Chrome and a kermel oops
The newest Macs Airs are apparently suffering from this (or a similar) bug too - it's something to do with a Chrome graphics leak and the Intel drivers. (If this is related, which it sounds like it might be.) http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/google_chrome_crashes_on_macbook_air_pushes_update/ -- Sent from my iPhone, so please forgive spelling/brevity. www.BenjieGillam.com Founder: FitFu.com, GymFu.com Brain Bakery Ltd. and GymFu Ltd have registered address: 7 Duck Island Lane BH24 3AA. Registered in England and Wales, Company Numbers: 5849251 and 7022440 respectively On 30 Jun 2012, at 12:57, Dr A. J. Trickett adam.trick...@iredale.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone else noticed that Google Chrome (release) can cause a kernel oops and pretty much bring a box down? My dad's box crashed on him this week and running Google Chrome now causes an oops and X grinds to a halt and eventually the box needs a cold restart. He has an Intel i915 graphics driver loaded when the oops happens. Iceweasel is perfectly okay. A quick Google suggests that the sandboxing may be an issue, but starting it with sandbox disabled prevents a crash but then Chrome just sits around doing nothing at all. I've told him to use Iceweasel until further notice. I'll keep an eye on the updated and see if one fixes it. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK When a Microsoft product is the lesser of two evils, you know for sure that there's something fishy going on. -- anon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Google Chrome and a kermel oops
On Saturday 30 Jun 2012, Benjie Gillam wrote: The newest Macs Airs are apparently suffering from this (or a similar) bug too - it's something to do with a Chrome graphics leak and the Intel drivers. (If this is related, which it sounds like it might be.) Someone else twitter to me the same. Must be how Chrome hooks into the graphics system for the openGL that causes the problem in the kernel. http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/google_chrome_crashes_on_macbook_air _pushes_update/ -- Sent from my iPhone, so please forgive spelling/brevity. www.BenjieGillam.com Founder: FitFu.com, GymFu.com Brain Bakery Ltd. and GymFu Ltd have registered address: 7 Duck Island Lane BH24 3AA. Registered in England and Wales, Company Numbers: 5849251 and 7022440 respectively On 30 Jun 2012, at 12:57, Dr A. J. Trickett adam.trick...@iredale.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone else noticed that Google Chrome (release) can cause a kernel oops and pretty much bring a box down? My dad's box crashed on him this week and running Google Chrome now causes an oops and X grinds to a halt and eventually the box needs a cold restart. He has an Intel i915 graphics driver loaded when the oops happens. Iceweasel is perfectly okay. A quick Google suggests that the sandboxing may be an issue, but starting it with sandbox disabled prevents a crash but then Chrome just sits around doing nothing at all. I've told him to use Iceweasel until further notice. I'll keep an eye on the updated and see if one fixes it. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather and ask for it back when it begins to rain. -- Robert Frost -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi
We had a demo of setting up a RPi at a recent SurreyLUG meeting: highly motivating. I've just reached the head of the queue to/ put my order in for a RPi! :-) Tony Wood (from PC) On 30/06/12 17:21, David Anderson wrote: My Raspberry Pi is supposed to be arriving next week. Has anyone tried one, or got one in use? Regards David -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:21:59 +0100, David Anderson wrote: My Raspberry Pi is supposed to be arriving next week. Has anyone tried one, or got one in use? Regards David -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- Had one for nearly two months now. Fun bit of kit. Running Arch (and sometimes my weather station). Had it been a bit more expensive and had twice the RAM, it would have been really impressive. -jh -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On Saturday 30 June 2012 11:37:06 Alan Pope wrote: I hear Debian is quite nice :) I never expected to hear you say that! ;-) Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi
On Saturday 30 June 2012 17:59:00 Jonathan Hudson wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:21:59 +0100, David Anderson wrote: My Raspberry Pi is supposed to be arriving next week. Has anyone tried one, or got one in use? Had one for nearly two months now. Fun bit of kit. Running Arch (and sometimes my weather station). Had it been a bit more expensive and had twice the RAM, it would have been really impressive. It would have been really impressive, but it would have negated the original purpose. It appears to me to be a remarkable achievement in terms both of price and of design, but even more of concept. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi
On 30 June 2012 17:21, David Anderson li...@pern.co.uk wrote: My Raspberry Pi is supposed to be arriving next week. Has anyone tried one, or got one in use? I have two! :-) One is jury rigged to the tv running OpenELEC. (minimal Linux with XBMC). Still need to spend some time setting it up. It makes a great Photo viewer. We had some family round and having old pictures on a random slideshow makes a good background. The second one is still in its box. Not sure exactly what I am going to do with that one yet. -- Philip Stubbs -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:41:42 +0100 hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2012 17:59:00 Jonathan Hudson wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:21:59 +0100, David Anderson wrote: My Raspberry Pi is supposed to be arriving next week. Has anyone tried one, or got one in use? Had one for nearly two months now. Fun bit of kit. Running Arch (and sometimes my weather station). Had it been a bit more expensive and had twice the RAM, it would have been really impressive. It would have been really impressive, but it would have negated the original purpose. It appears to me to be a remarkable achievement in terms both of price and of design, but even more of concept. Lisi Yes, £29 for a little machine is pretty good David -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 30 June 2012 12:29, john lewis zen57...@zen.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:06 +0100 Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 30/06/12 11:09, Leszek Kobiernicki 1 wrote: On 10.04.x, you can access every single app cumulatively installed, ever so easily In 12.04 it's very search-oriented. Press the Ubuntu button then click the second lens along (Applications Lens) or just tap the Windows (super) key + A and then start typing what you're after. Way more efficient than squirrelling through menus IMO. You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of Unity cut-down format .. I hear Debian is quite nice :) Debian is more than Nice ;-) Install it and never have to re-install your OS again and (for now at least and hopefully always) you can use Gnome Classic, chosen at login Wheezy has just been frozen but it will be a few months before it is released as the next stable version. Install Debian Unstable instead if you need more recent packages than are in current Debian Stable. It isn't all that problematic to use but does need regular doses of aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade I do it daily. One aspect I like of debian, now that I have it installed because Ubuntu refused to install on this old 486 box. (a nice fanless box now running my home automation software) aptitude update takes about 20MB on Ubuntu, but only takes about 250KB on Debian. A difference of 8000%. Reason being, Debian uses something called a diffindex, and ubuntu does not. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 30 June 2012 16:07, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. Almost the same issue here when I was roaming around desktops and landed on Ubuntu 12.04 with unity . Yes its hardly usable, the whole copy cat behaviour of unity (from mac) is driving people crazy . First it was things on left , next the entire menu goes out of the window . Though I dont mind designing for the mobile/handhelds I feel this is just not for me . If you still want to use the default unity , you can try out a nice guide on unity by Vancouver ubuntu http://frenchfortunecookie.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/unity-5-10-0-final-pdf.pdf The above guide though was helpful didn't convince me to use unity on ubuntu :) I have been using Cinnamon desktop from the linux mint team and I am not going back to unity . I agree that the support on cinnamon is a question but as long as the linux mint thrives there would be cinnamon :) Review on Cinnamon : Just loved it :) I tried out Gnome3 on debian and I liked it . Coming back to ubuntu the simplest way to get a usable desktop was to install Cinnamon . I just added the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable and sudo apt-get install cinnamon was how I got back the control of my desktop . It took few minutes to discover cinnamon . There was this Cinnamon Settings with which you can get themes and other extensions which can be downloaded from http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ Happy to see a downstream project like linuxmint helping out upstream :) Well there are also plans to bring it more up aka into the debian archives ! Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
Who are you and what have you done with the real Alan Pope? Question about Unity and HUD that no-one's yet answered: why are you making me type and search for stuff that I used to, errm... have in nice menus and panels? Still not beginner friendly (I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!) Use instead Gnome Fallback Session. Easy. RC Robin Catling Full Circle Podcast On 30 June 2012 11:37, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 30/06/12 11:09, Leszek Kobiernicki 1 wrote: On 10.04.x, you can access every single app cumulatively installed, ever so easily In 12.04 it's very search-oriented. Press the Ubuntu button then click the second lens along (Applications Lens) or just tap the Windows (super) key + A and then start typing what you're after. Way more efficient than squirrelling through menus IMO. So to find xchat I do this:- Super + A, X, enter For audacity I do:- Super + A, au, enter etc. Is there a SysAdmin's walkthrough, of how to return a Unity desktop to full administator's ready functionality ? You could install gnome-session-fallback which is a bit like old GNOME 2, but not quite identical. Please advize, if you can. ( If not, I'll downgrade, keep on updating that .. ) .. and then have the issue again in a while when those older releases stop being updated and you have to choose a supported desktop again. You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of Unity cut-down format .. I hear Debian is quite nice :) All this is a backwards step - offering less user-friendliness more system-initiated control ( Ubuntu for dummies ? ) I use it on all my machines, I guess that makes me a dummy. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/hampshirehttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --**--**-- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
Oops, almost forgot, Popey: You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. Nice plug of the corporate line, I mean, who wants to get stuck on a proprietary desktop supported by only one commercial Linux vendor oh. When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of Unity cut-down format .. Hmm. don't suppose those project teams would take that as a compliment. Or an accurate comparison. Ho hum. I use it on all my machines, I guess that makes me a dummy. We couldn't possibly comment. But then again, if you're Canonical's Product Strategy Manager, you are kind of obliged to eat your own dog food. -- All in fun, RC Robin Catling Full Circle Podcast -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
Hello, On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 02:22:58AM +0100, Full Circle Podcast wrote: I use it on all my machines, I guess that makes me a dummy. We couldn't possibly comment. But then again, if you're Canonical's Product Strategy Manager, you are kind of obliged to eat your own dog food. This was not a very constructive post. Please can you try to be less needlessly offensive when posting here. Thanks, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 30/06/12 11:37, Alan Pope wrote: On 30/06/12 11:09, Leszek Kobiernicki 1 wrote: On 10.04.x, you can access every single app cumulatively installed, ever so easily In 12.04 it's very search-oriented. Press the Ubuntu button then click the second lens along (Applications Lens) or just tap the Windows (super) key + A and then start typing what you're after. Way more efficient than squirrelling through menus IMO. So to find xchat I do this:- Super + A, X, enter For audacity I do:- Super + A, au, enter etc. Is there a SysAdmin's walkthrough, of how to return a Unity desktop to full administator's ready functionality ? You could install gnome-session-fallback which is a bit like old GNOME 2, but not quite identical. Please advize, if you can. ( If not, I'll downgrade, keep on updating that .. ) .. and then have the issue again in a while when those older releases stop being updated and you have to choose a supported desktop again. You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of Unity cut-down format .. I hear Debian is quite nice :) All this is a backwards step - offering less user-friendliness more system-initiated control ( Ubuntu for dummies ? ) I use it on all my machines, I guess that makes me a dummy. Cheers, Hi Alan Thanx for the good advice I understand Canonical's committed to Unity, but I still don't hafta like its seizure of control over the old menu-driven experience Nonetheless, I'll try keystroking, as you suggest .. Didn't mean to imply you're a dummy: what I meant, was, that the experience of Unity, gives me the impression, that I'm being turned into one ! Search-orientation derives from the browsing experience, which is a step along the way to Cloud. When that becomes mandatory, I'll give up computing altogether, as by then I guess I'll have written out all my books ! Oh - by the way, Ubuntu 12.04's installed on a Mac, so - no Windows key. Happy days, Lesz -- The power of this life, if men will open their hearts to it, will heal them, will create them anew, physically and spiritually. Here is the gospel of earth, ringing with hope, like May mornings with bird-song, fresh and healthy as fields of young grain. But those who would be healed must absorb it not only into their bodies in daily food and warmth but into their minds, because its spiritual power is more intense. It is not reasonable to suppose that an essence so divine and mysterious as life can be confined to material things; therefore, if our bodies need to be in touch with it so do our minds. The joy of a spring day revives a man's spirit, reacting healthily on the bone and the blood, just as the wholesome juices of plants cleanse the body, reacting on the mind. Let us join in the abundant sacrament--for our bodies the crushed gold of harvest and ripe vine-clusters, for our souls the purple fruit of evening with its innumerable seed of stars . Vis Medicatrix Naturae, by Mary Webb, in Spring of Joy: Nature Essays, Constable, London, 1917 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 30/06/12 12:29, john lewis wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:06 +0100 Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 30/06/12 11:09, Leszek Kobiernicki 1 wrote: On 10.04.x, you can access every single app cumulatively installed, ever so easily In 12.04 it's very search-oriented. Press the Ubuntu button then click the second lens along (Applications Lens) or just tap the Windows (super) key + A and then start typing what you're after. Way more efficient than squirrelling through menus IMO. You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of Unity cut-down format .. I hear Debian is quite nice :) Debian is more than Nice ;-) Install it and never have to re-install your OS again and (for now at least and hopefully always) you can use Gnome Classic, chosen at login Wheezy has just been frozen but it will be a few months before it is released as the next stable version. Install Debian Unstable instead if you need more recent packages than are in current Debian Stable. It isn't all that problematic to use but does need regular doses of aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade I do it daily. Thanx John If I can't warm to Unity, I might well hafta go Debian Is there a HOW TO for installing it on a Mac ? It was mighty fiddly getting Ubuntu to dual-boot with OS-X on the Mac Thanx again, Lesz -- The power of this life, if men will open their hearts to it, will heal them, will create them anew, physically and spiritually. Here is the gospel of earth, ringing with hope, like May mornings with bird-song, fresh and healthy as fields of young grain. But those who would be healed must absorb it not only into their bodies in daily food and warmth but into their minds, because its spiritual power is more intense. It is not reasonable to suppose that an essence so divine and mysterious as life can be confined to material things; therefore, if our bodies need to be in touch with it so do our minds. The joy of a spring day revives a man's spirit, reacting healthily on the bone and the blood, just as the wholesome juices of plants cleanse the body, reacting on the mind. Let us join in the abundant sacrament--for our bodies the crushed gold of harvest and ripe vine-clusters, for our souls the purple fruit of evening with its innumerable seed of stars . Vis Medicatrix Naturae, by Mary Webb, in Spring of Joy: Nature Essays, Constable, London, 1917 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 30/06/12 20:44, pavithran wrote: On 30 June 2012 16:07, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. Almost the same issue here when I was roaming around desktops and landed on Ubuntu 12.04 with unity . Yes its hardly usable, the whole copy cat behaviour of unity (from mac) is driving people crazy . First it was things on left , next the entire menu goes out of the window . Though I dont mind designing for the mobile/handhelds I feel this is just not for me . If you still want to use the default unity , you can try out a nice guide on unity by Vancouver ubuntu http://frenchfortunecookie.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/unity-5-10-0-final-pdf.pdf The above guide though was helpful didn't convince me to use unity on ubuntu :) I have been using Cinnamon desktop from the linux mint team and I am not going back to unity . I agree that the support on cinnamon is a question but as long as the linux mint thrives there would be cinnamon :) Review on Cinnamon : Just loved it :) I tried out Gnome3 on debian and I liked it . Coming back to ubuntu the simplest way to get a usable desktop was to install Cinnamon . I just added the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable and sudo apt-get install cinnamon was how I got back the control of my desktop . It took few minutes to discover cinnamon . There was this Cinnamon Settings with which you can get themes and other extensions which can be downloaded from http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ Happy to see a downstream project like linuxmint helping out upstream :) Well there are also plans to bring it more up aka into the debian archives ! Regards, Pavithran Hi Pavi Good ideas here Thanx in bunches ! Will certainly have a peek sometime All the best, Lesz -- The power of this life, if men will open their hearts to it, will heal them, will create them anew, physically and spiritually. Here is the gospel of earth, ringing with hope, like May mornings with bird-song, fresh and healthy as fields of young grain. But those who would be healed must absorb it not only into their bodies in daily food and warmth but into their minds, because its spiritual power is more intense. It is not reasonable to suppose that an essence so divine and mysterious as life can be confined to material things; therefore, if our bodies need to be in touch with it so do our minds. The joy of a spring day revives a man's spirit, reacting healthily on the bone and the blood, just as the wholesome juices of plants cleanse the body, reacting on the mind. Let us join in the abundant sacrament--for our bodies the crushed gold of harvest and ripe vine-clusters, for our souls the purple fruit of evening with its innumerable seed of stars . Vis Medicatrix Naturae, by Mary Webb, in Spring of Joy: Nature Essays, Constable, London, 1917 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 01/07/12 02:17, Full Circle Podcast wrote: Who are you and what have you done with the real Alan Pope? Question about Unity and HUD that no-one's yet answered: why are you making me type and search for stuff that I used to, errm... have in nice menus and panels? Still not beginner friendly (I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!) Use instead Gnome Fallback Session. Easy. RC Robin Catling Full Circle Podcast On 30 June 2012 11:37, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com mailto:alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 30/06/12 11:09, Leszek Kobiernicki 1 wrote: On 10.04.x, you can access every single app cumulatively installed, ever so easily In 12.04 it's very search-oriented. Press the Ubuntu button then click the second lens along (Applications Lens) or just tap the Windows (super) key + A and then start typing what you're after. Way more efficient than squirrelling through menus IMO. So to find xchat I do this:- Super + A, X, enter For audacity I do:- Super + A, au, enter etc. Is there a SysAdmin's walkthrough, of how to return a Unity desktop to full administator's ready functionality ? You could install gnome-session-fallback which is a bit like old GNOME 2, but not quite identical. Please advize, if you can. ( If not, I'll downgrade, keep on updating that .. ) .. and then have the issue again in a while when those older releases stop being updated and you have to choose a supported desktop again. You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or Mate, but I would question the sustainability of those desktops. When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of Unity cut-down format .. I hear Debian is quite nice :) All this is a backwards step - offering less user-friendliness more system-initiated control ( Ubuntu for dummies ? ) I use it on all my machines, I guess that makes me a dummy. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207973%20620%20164 alan.p...@canonical.com mailto:alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk mailto:Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Some private jokery-pokery here But, more pragmatically, how to get Gnome fall-back session ? I will hunt for it in the repository - if ever it can be found .. Thanx, Lesz -- The power of this life, if men will open their hearts to it, will heal them, will create them anew, physically and spiritually. Here is the gospel of earth, ringing with hope, like May mornings with bird-song, fresh and healthy as fields of young grain. But those who would be healed must absorb it not only into their bodies in daily food and warmth but into their minds, because its spiritual power is more intense. It is not reasonable to suppose that an essence so divine and mysterious as life can be confined to material things; therefore, if our bodies need to be in touch with it so do our minds. The joy of a spring day revives a man's spirit, reacting healthily on the bone and the blood, just as the wholesome juices of plants cleanse the body, reacting on the mind. Let us join in the abundant sacrament--for our bodies the crushed gold of harvest and ripe vine-clusters, for our souls the purple fruit of evening with its innumerable seed of stars . Vis Medicatrix Naturae, by Mary Webb, in Spring of Joy: Nature Essays, Constable, London, 1917 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x
On 01/07/12 02:30, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 02:22:58AM +0100, Full Circle Podcast wrote: I use it on all my machines, I guess that makes me a dummy. We couldn't possibly comment. But then again, if you're Canonical's Product Strategy Manager, you are kind of obliged to eat your own dog food. This was not a very constructive post. Please can you try to be less needlessly offensive when posting here. Thanks, Andy -- Hi Andy This is clearly a joke, and not intended to offend I'm the puzzled mastiff, straining at the leash, with Unity And the light-hearted tone helps confidence surmount the desktop hurdle Lesz --- The power of this life, if men will open their hearts to it, will heal them, will create them anew, physically and spiritually. Here is the gospel of earth, ringing with hope, like May mornings with bird-song, fresh and healthy as fields of young grain. But those who would be healed must absorb it not only into their bodies in daily food and warmth but into their minds, because its spiritual power is more intense. It is not reasonable to suppose that an essence so divine and mysterious as life can be confined to material things; therefore, if our bodies need to be in touch with it so do our minds. The joy of a spring day revives a man's spirit, reacting healthily on the bone and the blood, just as the wholesome juices of plants cleanse the body, reacting on the mind. Let us join in the abundant sacrament--for our bodies the crushed gold of harvest and ripe vine-clusters, for our souls the purple fruit of evening with its innumerable seed of stars . Vis Medicatrix Naturae, by Mary Webb, in Spring of Joy: Nature Essays, Constable, London, 1917 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
