Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On 27/05/14 12:44, Joseph Bennie wrote: or you know... you could just get on with life and not worry about the little things :) many more fields of issues in the world that need more time and attention brought to them! +1 So I completely failed to start a vicious flame war :( -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:54:48 +0100 Anton Piatek wrote: Hello Anton, because everything flows nicely, as it should. page looking for the start of the next paragraph? No, of course not, Finally, when reading a book, do you expect to have to jump about the From right to left, yes, but not bottom to top. My point being, no written language truly writes from bottom to top. now that I've done it? me to prove a point. Are you still as sure it's still as easy to read It's certainly not easier. Anyhow, nobody posts bottom to top, except >Your presumption however assumes that it is that much harder to read? -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" This disease is catching Into The Valley - Skids signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On 27 May 2014 12:54, Anton Piatek wrote: > Your presumption however assumes that it is that much harder to read? > If it really were, then all mail clients would make top-posting hard. > > The fact that most of the corporate mail clients don't speaks volumes > for how the rest of the world thinks email should work. > > Personally I'd rather see secure email solved rather than top/bottom > posting > Ironically Anton's reply was easier to read and made a lot more sense because it was interleaved. I just tried to imagine what this thread itself would be like to read if it was all written in untrimmed GMail/Outlook/Apple top-posted form. I think it would be up to 340+ messages by now with Owain's original repeated 25 times. -- best regards, 웃 Victor Churchill, Bournemouth -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On Tuesday 27 May 2014 12:54:48 Anton Piatek wrote: > Your presumption however assumes that it is that much harder to read? I find it so much harder to read that I usually just give up in despair. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
> Your presumption however assumes that it is that much harder to read? A: Well, you wouldn't want to hear the punchline before the joke, would you? Q: Why is top posting bad? > Personally I'd rather see secure email solved rather than top/bottom > posting Secure email was solved many years ago. That it is not prevalent is simply because very few people care enough to use it. Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On a side note this is how all the emails read if you use delete a lot unnecessary words :) …. >>> worry about the >>> little things >>> that need more time and attention >>> brought to them >> >> if I was >> spending so much effort to >> read >> conversations to try to work out >> a reply >> in relation to a >> comment, I would >> devote >> more time to to those >> other issues. >> >> In all seriousness… >> the minute of my time it would take me to >> compose a reply is more important >> than the accumulated hundreds >> of minutes of > > Your presumption > and > speaks volumes > for how the rest of the world thinks > I'd rather see > that > No trees were destroyed, however, a > significant number > were -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On 27 May 2014 12:54, Anton Piatek wrote: > Your presumption however assumes that it is that much harder to read? > If it really were, then all mail clients would make top-posting hard. > If I wrote my reply in ROT13, it would be harder to read. Ohg rznvy pyvragf qba'g cerirag zr sebz qbvat fb. The fact that most of the corporate mail clients don't speaks volumes > for how the rest of the world thinks email should work. > "Writing an email at the top because that's where the cursor is, is like messing in your trousers because that's where your backside is." (sanitised for a family-friendly list :-) That cursors appear at the top is a "good thing" - if it defaulted to the bottom, I'd have to scroll all the way back up to start reading the content of the email. But just because I read from the top, doesn't mean that's where my reply should go. It *should* go wherever is best for it. > Personally I'd rather see secure email solved rather than top/bottom > posting > Quite... it's a very different issue though (I'd rather see malaria eradicated... but it has little to do with a discussion about top-posting ;-) PS You might notice that I don't 'bottom post' or 'top post'... I try to make my replies address the content I'm talking about. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On 27 May 2014 12:51, Michael Pavling wrote: > On 27 May 2014 12:37, Freaky Clown wrote: >> >> or you know... you could just get on with life and not worry about the >> little things :) >> many more fields of issues in the world that need more time and attention >> brought to them > > > yup... and if I wasn't spending so much effort trying to reverse-read > upside-down conversations to try to work out what part of a reply might be > in relation to a previous comment, I would have more time to devote to those > other issues. > > > In all seriousness... when posting to a mailing list of many hundreds (or > more) people, it strikes me as presumptuous (if not a little rude) to assume > that the as the writer the minute extra of my time it would take me to > compose well a reply is more important to save than the accumulated hundreds > of minutes of effort the readership have to expend :-/ Your presumption however assumes that it is that much harder to read? If it really were, then all mail clients would make top-posting hard. The fact that most of the corporate mail clients don't speaks volumes for how the rest of the world thinks email should work. Personally I'd rather see secure email solved rather than top/bottom posting Anton -- Anton Piatek email: an...@piatek.co.uk blog/photos:http://www.strangeparty.com pgp: [74B1FA37](http://www.strangeparty.com/anton.asc) No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On 27 May 2014 13:37, Freaky Clown wrote: > or you know... you could just get on with life and not worry about the > little things :) What, like this? https://twitter.com/__Freakyclown__/status/471250625335164928 :) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
On 27 May 2014 12:37, Freaky Clown wrote: > or you know... you could just get on with life and not worry about the > little things :) > many more fields of issues in the world that need more time and attention > brought to them > yup... and if I wasn't spending so much effort trying to reverse-read upside-down conversations to try to work out what part of a reply might be in relation to a previous comment, I would have more time to devote to those other issues. In all seriousness... when posting to a mailing list of many hundreds (or more) people, it strikes me as presumptuous (if not a little rude) to assume that the as the writer the minute extra of my time it would take me to compose well a reply is more important to save than the accumulated hundreds of minutes of effort the readership have to expend :-/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
> or you know... you could just get on with life and not worry about the little > things :) > many more fields of issues in the world that need more time and attention > brought to them! > +1 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Top posting
or you know... you could just get on with life and not worry about the little things :) many more fields of issues in the world that need more time and attention brought to them! On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Anton Piatek wrote: > If I didn't want a footer then bottom posting would be easier in Gmail > (reply in line and it still sticks it at the top) > > Maybe I should ditch a footer, but I've grown used to having one for the > last 20 years > > Anton > -- > Anton Piatek > http://www.strangeparty.com > > No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a > significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > On 21 May 2014 19:03, "Imran Chaudhry" wrote: > >> >> On 20 May 2014 22:41, "Samuel Penn" wrote: >> > >> > On Tuesday 20 May 2014 13:27:50 Anton Piatek wrote: >> > > Gmail on mobile actively makes it more difficult to bottom post >> > >> > Really? Click the "Respond inline" button and it switches to >> > inline quoting, and even adds a proper "On X, Y wrote" line >> > to the start of the quoted text. >> > >> > You can then start adding text anywhere in the quoted mail. >> > >> > At least it does on my phone. >> >> Thanks Samuel, my reasons were same as Anton but I've just responded to >> this using your method. >> >> Bear in mind that more of us use a mobile device more these days so >> convenience sometimes trumps ettiqutte. >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Be seeing you,Games: http://www.glendale.org.uk/ >> > Sam. Posts: http://www.google.com/+SamuelPenn >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk >> > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire >> > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk >> > -- >> >> -- >> Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk >> Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire >> LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk >> -- >> > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
