Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] Who knows about MoinMoin wikis?

2012-11-08 Thread Chris Dennis

On 07/11/12 20:42, Chris Dennis wrote:

Hello Folks

I've just been having another look at the HantsLUG wiki
(http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/wiki), having been nagged to do so by the
Ubuntu UK Podcast.


Thanks for the various replies.

Please see my reply in the Wiki broken? thread for the New Plan.

cheers

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Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] Who knows about MoinMoin wikis?

2012-11-07 Thread Michael James Daffin
I haven't used MoinMoin wikis before but I know that MediaWiki  can do
exactly what you want.

I have setup a few MediaWiki sites in the past with the configuration you
want and it has plenty of plugins to change it to your needs. (Even
Wikipedia is powered by MediaWiki)

If you want I could setup a demo site on my vps for you to play with and/or
help you migrate over... That is if you wish to at all.

Not saying you definitely should switch, just putting out there as an
option.
On Nov 7, 2012 8:43 PM, Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Hello Folks

 I've just been having another look at the HantsLUG wiki (
 http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/**wiki http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/wiki),
 having been nagged to do so by the Ubuntu UK Podcast.

 At the moment only 'superusers' can edit it, which is no good to anyone.

 It seems that if I re-enable the 'new account' feature, then anyone at all
 can instantly create an account and start messing with the pages, which is
 what happened before when the site filled up with pharmaceutical adverts.

 There's information on 
 http://moinmo.in/**HelpOnAuthenticationhttp://moinmo.in/HelpOnAuthenticationwhich
  discusses ways of authenticating users, but I'm not sure if it's
 relevant.

 Has anyone else played with MoinMoin and found a way to validate new
 users?  I don't mind if we set it up so that new users have to be validated
 manually by me.  But I'm finding it all rather confusing really.

 cheers

 Chris
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Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] Who knows about MoinMoin wikis?

2012-11-07 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 07 November 2012 20:42:51 Chris Dennis wrote:
 It seems that if I re-enable the 'new account' feature, then anyone at
 all can instantly create an account and start messing with the pages,
 which is what happened before when the site filled up with
 pharmaceutical adverts.

Why did we change to moin-moin?  I can't remember, but spam always was 
something that needed fighting.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] Who knows about MoinMoin wikis?

2012-11-07 Thread Michael James Daffin
To expand on my previous post a bit:

I know MediaWiki can be set-up so that accounts need to be requested and
then be accepted by a trusted user before they are created, which would
help to reduce spam allot. It can also be set up to create new user
automatically when requested but not allow them to edit anything until they
get promoted which can be done by trusted users. As well as many other
combinations of permissions.

I cannot say if moin-moin can do this or not, but if it cannot (or no one
else knows how to) and there is no other reason to stay with moin-moin then
it might be worth switching, assuming the web-master is happy to do this (I
would be willing to help out with this if needed).

You can see one of my MediaWiki sites here [1] if you want to have a play
around with it (I am not really using it for anything any more so I don't
mind it getting messed up much if you want to experiment).
Its probably because I never use it, but it hasn't yet been successfully
attacked by spammers (again, that is probably due to them just not finding
it more then anything else).

I am willing to experiment with the permissions/settings of [1] if anyone
wants to test out access control.

As a side note, WordPress with the akismet plugin [2] has stopped the few
bits of spam that have trickled into my blog if you are
still interested in proceeding with that route - Though I think it would be
nice to have a WordPress site for news/updates/announcement and a wiki site
for more technical documentations. (I have even found some hints that
suggest you can auth MediaWiki users through the WordPress db).

[1] 
http://wiki.james147.net/wiki/http://wiki.james147.net/wiki/Private:Services
[2] http://akismet.com/

http://akismet.com/

http://akismet.com/


On 7 November 2012 22:52, Dr A. J. Trickett adam.trick...@iredale.netwrote:

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 On Wednesday 07 Nov 2012, Lisi wrote:

  On Wednesday 07 November 2012 20:42:51 Chris Dennis wrote:

   It seems that if I re-enable the 'new account' feature, then anyone at

   all can instantly create an account and start messing with the pages,

   which is what happened before when the site filled up with

   pharmaceutical adverts.

 

  Why did we change to moin-moin? I can't remember, but spam always was

  something that needed fighting.



 I think it was because someone was prepared to migrate the content off the
 old wiki onto a new one and was prepared to do the cosmetic work, so it's
 what they picked.



 I'm told Moin-Moin has a half decent reputation - it's used by Debian for
 example. For quite a while it was okay but there was very little activity
 by anyone in the LUG, then the spam started to take it over and eventually
 we had to lock it as I spent all my time cleaning it up and not doing
 anything useful with it.



 I think the best tool is the one the Webmaster is happiest with and while
 I do love wikis, I'm not convinced enough other people do to make them work
 on the Internet.



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