[Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Hi All, A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered this issue or at least something similar. Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject Phono Box II USB phono stage. This latter device has a USB output that shows up as a Burr-Brown USB DAC when probed by alsaconf or similar. By selecting this device and using audacity or gramofile I can rip vinyl albums and singles to .wav files, for subsequent processing and compression to ogg vorbis audio files. The most convenient and consistent way to do this has proved to be using the following process: 1. boot laptop running Puppy 4.11 2. attach Pro-Ject Phono Box II USB to usb port 3. run alsaconf and select this device as the sound card 4. run [zmixer|alsamixer|sgmixer|...] to set the recording level (although this seems to be totally ineffective) 5. run gramofile 6. record the signal 7. process the signal What I have not been able to do, as implied in (3), is affect the input level to audacity or gramofile, using a selection of operating systems, applications and settings. I have tried various combinations of operating system (Ubuntu, Puppy and Win XP) + applications (audacity, gramofile, mH Wave Edit) + the various mixers as available. In every scenario the device is visible in the mixer of choise and I am (apparently) able to manipulate the sound level (i.e. the slider moves up and down where others are greyed out or otherwise unavailable), but the subsequent recording level remains unchanged. Approximately 80% of my recordings are fine both in terms of the reported levels and the result; the remaining 20% or so report high levels and clipping but produce a result that is listenable. (Note: my hearing is being affected by a long-term illness so take this last statement with a pinch of salt!) It occurs to me that the alternative is to unhook the phono stage from the amp and attach it to the line-in, but that is a major faff and utterly defeats the point of the purchase of the new USB phono stage, which replaced its non-USB equivalent. I have trawled the various hifi and AV forums and not found anything remotely applicable; has anyone here got any thoughts on this? Cheers, Sean [1] http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=phonoboxusb&cat=boxes&lang=en -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
At 10:19 30/03/2009, you wrote: >Hi All, > >A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered >this issue or at least something similar. > >Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject >Phono Box II USB phono stage. Decent beginner turntable. >It occurs to me that the alternative is to unhook the phono stage from >the amp and attach it to the line-in Is that the line in on the amp? If so then you will miss the translation of what comes out of the turntable to a normal sound. Treble is exagerated from a turntable and bass very much diminished. This is translated by the phono stage to line level fully equalised as you get from a cd player line out. Yes you can do it but it will sound really awful. >Martin N Co-Moderator of MiniDisc and amithlonopen yahoo groups. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
trotter wrote: > At 10:19 30/03/2009, you wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered >> this issue or at least something similar. >> >> Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject >> Phono Box II USB phono stage. >> > > Decent beginner turntable. > Heh, it was all I could afford at the time - a used 'bargain' from ebay. Badly packaged, it arrived in a 'kit form' never intended by the manufacturers, and a combination of postal insurance and a partial refund made it viable once the replacement parts had been purchased. It's actually in great condition now and sounds good to my none-too-discerning ears. I recall that it nearly cost me a great deal more than money when my wife discovered I wanted to start buying vinyl again! ;-) > > >> It occurs to me that the alternative is to unhook the phono stage from >> the amp and attach it to the line-in >> > > > Is that the line in on the amp? > I was actually thinking of going from phono stage line-out to laptop audio line-in, via a cable to convert phono leads to a 3.5mm jack plug, but yes it occurs to me now that you mention it that I may be by-passing the DAC device in the phono stage by doing this. I ripped my copy of De Stijl by The White Stripes today and got an excellent result. The problem is that it is currently a lottery as to what input levels I get! Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
At 18:41 30/03/2009, you wrote: >trotter wrote: > > At 10:19 30/03/2009, you wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered > >> this issue or at least something similar. > >> > >> Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject > >> Phono Box II USB phono stage. > >> > > > > Decent beginner turntable. > > > >Heh, it was all I could afford at the time - a used 'bargain' from ebay. >Badly packaged, it arrived in a 'kit form' never intended by the >manufacturers, and a combination of postal insurance and a partial >refund made it viable once the replacement parts had been purchased. >It's actually in great condition now and sounds good to my >none-too-discerning ears. > >I recall that it nearly cost me a great deal more than money when my >wife discovered I wanted to start buying vinyl again! > >;-) I have a projective perspective which was £600 new but i picked it up for £400 on ebay. Unfortunately vinyl hardware is expensive for sound that is better than cd. CD is better bang for buck unfortunately. I enjoy trawling car boot sales for vinyl. Then cleaning them up with disco knosti antistat fluid bath. > >> It occurs to me that the alternative is to unhook the phono stage from > >> the amp and attach it to the line-in > >> > > > > > > Is that the line in on the amp? > > > >I was actually thinking of going from phono stage line-out to laptop >audio line-in, via a cable to convert phono leads to a 3.5mm jack plug, >but yes it occurs to me now that you mention it that I may be by-passing >the DAC device in the phono stage by doing this. > >I ripped my copy of De Stijl by The White Stripes today and got an >excellent result. The problem is that it is currently a lottery as to >what input levels I get! Unfortunately line in on sound cards are frankly abysmal quality wise. In a recent PC pro magazine feature on ripping vinyl it stated that you really need to buy a sound card close to £100 for anything remotely decent. This put me off doing it with a PC so i am sticking with MiniDisc for now. Besides its easier that way. Martin N Co-Moderator of MiniDisc and amithlonopen yahoo groups. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
> Unfortunately vinyl hardware is expensive for > sound that is better than cd. Vinyl *isn't* better than CD. CD gives you much better fidelity. Vinyl sounds more familiar to those of us of a certain age - but that's because we're accustomed to the lack of fidelity in the medium. Even if we prefer it, it's not what the original performance sounded like. Of course, all that is obscured by the current vogue of trying to cook one's supper with the clip lights during production... > This put me off doing it with a PC so i am sticking with MiniDisc Eh? You rank ATRAC compression as better fidelity than a moderate sound card? Minidisc does many things well, but high fidelity is not amongst them[1]. Vic. [1] Although it is very much better now than when I was working for a certain Japanese consumer electronics company. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Hi, I got a fantastic deal from Absolut Music in Poole. It was a Tapco LinkUSB musicians audio interface. It works with ubuntu and as far as my tests have gone pretty good. It's 24 bit, bidirectional at all sampling rates below 88kHz and unidirectional at 88 and 96kHz. has a built in mic amp with phantom power if you need it. I think I paid £69 for it (rrp £199) Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: trotter Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:55:27 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List Subject: Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue At 18:41 30/03/2009, you wrote: >trotter wrote: > > At 10:19 30/03/2009, you wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered > >> this issue or at least something similar. > >> > >> Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject > >> Phono Box II USB phono stage. > >> > > > > Decent beginner turntable. > > > >Heh, it was all I could afford at the time - a used 'bargain' from ebay. >Badly packaged, it arrived in a 'kit form' never intended by the >manufacturers, and a combination of postal insurance and a partial >refund made it viable once the replacement parts had been purchased. >It's actually in great condition now and sounds good to my >none-too-discerning ears. > >I recall that it nearly cost me a great deal more than money when my >wife discovered I wanted to start buying vinyl again! > >;-) I have a projective perspective which was £600 new but i picked it up for £400 on ebay. Unfortunately vinyl hardware is expensive for sound that is better than cd. CD is better bang for buck unfortunately. I enjoy trawling car boot sales for vinyl. Then cleaning them up with disco knosti antistat fluid bath. > >> It occurs to me that the alternative is to unhook the phono stage from > >> the amp and attach it to the line-in > >> > > > > > > Is that the line in on the amp? > > > >I was actually thinking of going from phono stage line-out to laptop >audio line-in, via a cable to convert phono leads to a 3.5mm jack plug, >but yes it occurs to me now that you mention it that I may be by-passing >the DAC device in the phono stage by doing this. > >I ripped my copy of De Stijl by The White Stripes today and got an >excellent result. The problem is that it is currently a lottery as to >what input levels I get! Unfortunately line in on sound cards are frankly abysmal quality wise. In a recent PC pro magazine feature on ripping vinyl it stated that you really need to buy a sound card close to £100 for anything remotely decent. This put me off doing it with a PC so i am sticking with MiniDisc for now. Besides its easier that way. Martin N Co-Moderator of MiniDisc and amithlonopen yahoo groups. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
O.K. , already! All very interesting, but I want simply to digitise my old vinyl collection, to a reasonable sound quality, without spending a fortune in the process. How do I go about this? Chris. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: > O.K. , already! > > All very interesting, but I want simply to digitise my old vinyl > collection, to a reasonable sound quality, without spending a fortune > in the process. > > How do I go about this? I bought a Pro-ject USB phono stage for £75 (new) plus the Pro-ject Debut II deck for about £50-ish (used, ebay), and the rest of the equipment I already had. Currently I am using a reasonably powerful Dell dual-core laptop running Puppy 4.11 from a USB stick to record from the above. I fire up Gramofile to do this but Audacity will serve just as well if not better. Gramofile ships with some pre-set filters for processing the pops and clicks down to an acceptable level, while Audacity provides the fine control for targeting and repairing individual scratches, so I use a combination of the two. I record and process wit Gramofile, before dicing up the tracks (Gramofile will guess at this for you but I pass on that option) and tidying up the scratches with Audacity. Previously I have piped the sound directly from the phono stage line out to the line in on the laptop and got good results - thereby cutting out the need for the cost of the USB phone stage, but with the added inconvenience of having to faff around behind the amp every time I want to convert from vinyl to digital. I am thankfully /not/ blessed with audiophile ears* and am quite happy with the results I am getting, when the level happens to be right. I made a copy of an album for a mate the other day (his album, his copy) and he was thrilled with it, so I guess either it can't be too bad a set up or we've both knackered our hearing! Sean * they can cost you dear! -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Vic wrote: >> Unfortunately vinyl hardware is expensive for >> sound that is better than cd. >> > > Vinyl *isn't* better than CD. CD gives you much better fidelity. > > Vinyl sounds more familiar to those of us of a certain age - but that's > because we're accustomed to the lack of fidelity in the medium. Even if we > prefer it, it's not what the original performance sounded like. > A few thoughts on that, although overall I agree that at my end of the price range the benefits in terms of quality are negligible if indeed they are present at all. I did a direct track-for-track comparison of British Sea Power's 'The Decline Of British Sea Power' using the CD and vinyl album. They sounded different, for sure, but I couldn't nail down a preference. Perhaps it's the quality of my record deck that lets me down? I have never heard the likes of a Linn Sondek LP12 or better, so am blissfully ignorant and hope to remain that way until a massive windfall comes my way or they come down in price significantly. If this tinnitus gets any worse it'll be a moot point anyway. Having recently come to accept surface noise as a feature of /my/ copy of a record I prefer to spin the vinyl where I have the choice. There is something about the mechanical, hands-on nature of it that I love too. It must be turning that handle on the side...! :p As for the 'certain age' comment, I suspect that is also true but it is worth noting that my kids (aged 10, 14, 16 & 16) are all fascinated vinyl. Ellen (16) collects certain artist's output on vinyl, despite the current price premium on the format. I buy it mainly used from ebay, but also new where it is available for a reasonable price, but am certainly not opposed to buying CDs. It's encouraging to see a number of my favourite artists releasing new material on both formats, with some offering a download of the album or even a CD in with the vinyl. > >> This put me off doing it with a PC so i am sticking with MiniDisc >> > > Eh? You rank ATRAC compression as better fidelity than a moderate sound card? > > Minidisc does many things well, but high fidelity is not amongst them[1]. > > Vic. > > [1] Although it is very much better now than when I was working for a > certain Japanese consumer electronics company. The Japanese Victor Company perchance? :-) Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
trotter wrote: > At 18:41 30/03/2009, you wrote: > >> trotter wrote: >> >>> At 10:19 30/03/2009, you wrote: >>> Hi All, A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered this issue or at least something similar. Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject Phono Box II USB phono stage. >>> Decent beginner turntable. >>> >> Heh, it was all I could afford at the time - a used 'bargain' from ebay. >> Badly packaged, it arrived in a 'kit form' never intended by the >> manufacturers, and a combination of postal insurance and a partial >> refund made it viable once the replacement parts had been purchased. >> It's actually in great condition now and sounds good to my >> none-too-discerning ears. >> >> I recall that it nearly cost me a great deal more than money when my >> wife discovered I wanted to start buying vinyl again! >> >> ;-) >> > > I have a projective perspective which was £600 new but i picked it > up for £400 on ebay. Unfortunately vinyl hardware is expensive for > sound that is better than cd. CD is better bang for buck unfortunately. > > I enjoy trawling car boot sales for vinyl. > Yeah, I love hitting the charity shops too, although round here its all Hammond organ music or oompa bands! > Then cleaning them up with disco knosti antistat fluid bath. > Will investigate that. > > It occurs to me that the alternative is to unhook the phono stage from the amp and attach it to the line-in >>> Is that the line in on the amp? >>> >> I was actually thinking of going from phono stage line-out to laptop >> audio line-in, via a cable to convert phono leads to a 3.5mm jack plug, >> but yes it occurs to me now that you mention it that I may be by-passing >> the DAC device in the phono stage by doing this. >> >> I ripped my copy of De Stijl by The White Stripes today and got an >> excellent result. The problem is that it is currently a lottery as to >> what input levels I get! >> > > Unfortunately line in on sound cards are frankly abysmal quality > wise. In a recent PC pro magazine feature on ripping vinyl it stated that > you really need to buy a sound card close to £100 for anything remotely > decent. > Well, bearing in mind that hearing differs from person to person I am very happy with the results I have got so far, despite the odd bit of rumble from the platter and earthing noise at high volume. That said, I'll bear in mind your comments and stick to attempting to resolve the issue with the mixer settings for the time being. > This put me off doing it with a PC so i am sticking with MiniDisc > for now. Besides its easier that way. MiniDisc should be due for /its/ revival any time now, huh? :-) Never owned one myself, just recall everyone selling them off to buy digital media players at work! Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 18:16 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > Hi, > > I got a fantastic deal from Absolut Music in Poole. It was a Tapco LinkUSB > musicians audio interface. It works with ubuntu and as far as my tests have > gone pretty good. > > It's 24 bit, bidirectional at all sampling rates below 88kHz and > unidirectional at 88 and 96kHz. has a built in mic amp with phantom power if > you need it. I think I paid £69 for it (rrp £199) > > Cheers, > Paul. > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -Original Message- > From: trotter > > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:55:27 > To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue > > > At 18:41 30/03/2009, you wrote: > >trotter wrote: > > > At 10:19 30/03/2009, you wrote: > > > > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered > > >> this issue or at least something similar. > > >> > > >> Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject > > >> Phono Box II USB phono stage. > > >> > > > > > > Decent beginner turntable. > > > > > > >Heh, it was all I could afford at the time - a used 'bargain' from ebay. > >Badly packaged, it arrived in a 'kit form' never intended by the > >manufacturers, and a combination of postal insurance and a partial > >refund made it viable once the replacement parts had been purchased. > >It's actually in great condition now and sounds good to my > >none-too-discerning ears. > > > >I recall that it nearly cost me a great deal more than money when my > >wife discovered I wanted to start buying vinyl again! > > > >;-) > > I have a projective perspective which was £600 new but i picked it > up for £400 on ebay. Unfortunately vinyl hardware is expensive for > sound that is better than cd. CD is better bang for buck unfortunately. > > I enjoy trawling car boot sales for vinyl. > Then cleaning them up with disco knosti antistat fluid bath. > > > > >> It occurs to me that the alternative is to unhook the phono stage from > > >> the amp and attach it to the line-in > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is that the line in on the amp? > > > > > > >I was actually thinking of going from phono stage line-out to laptop > >audio line-in, via a cable to convert phono leads to a 3.5mm jack plug, > >but yes it occurs to me now that you mention it that I may be by-passing > >the DAC device in the phono stage by doing this. > > > >I ripped my copy of De Stijl by The White Stripes today and got an > >excellent result. The problem is that it is currently a lottery as to > >what input levels I get! > > Unfortunately line in on sound cards are frankly abysmal quality > wise. In a recent PC pro magazine feature on ripping vinyl it stated that > you really need to buy a sound card close to £100 for anything remotely > decent. > > This put me off doing it with a PC so i am sticking with MiniDisc > for now. Besides its easier that way. > > Martin N > > > Co-Moderator of MiniDisc and amithlonopen yahoo groups. > > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- > My 50 pence worth; Minidisc side by side with mp3, cd or vinyl sounds really lifeless and flat IMHO. Nothing more scientific needed than a pair of reasonable ears. Physically it's a bit 50/50. I've seen a number of top end Denon broadcast Minidisc players borked by the tiny screws falling out of minidisk media. It's a fun format, but compared to MP3 it's pointless in all but concept. However, it still sounds better than the average MOBO sound card without any doubt. Vinyl gives better reproduction than CD. I wish I could point to where that is specifically defined, but in the old vinyl-v-cd wars that have gone on over the years that always seems to emerge. Possibly something to do with sound being analogue and vinyl being an analogue medium. It does not tend to suffer all of that rounding of ADC's. The flip of that is most stuff is recorded (these days) on digital equipment. I still occasionally press a run of 12 inch singles (I find they just sell easier than CD's or downloads) and it has all been mastered in the digital domain. So, horses for courses. CD is another transient media. It is fairly pointless and limited in quality, life
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Sean Gibbins wrote: >> Then cleaning them up with disco knosti antistat fluid bath. >> > > Will investigate that. > http://tinyurl.com/dg4g85 55 quid? That's... ...4 new albums! Is it worth it Martin? Bit of a daft question as you mention it so i suppose that you do! How long does a litre of fluid last in terms of number of albums and duration of the result? Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Rik wrote: > Vinyl gives better reproduction than CD. I wish I could point to where > that is specifically defined, but in the old vinyl-v-cd wars that have > gone on over the years that always seems to emerge. Possibly something > to do with sound being analogue and vinyl being an analogue medium. It > does not tend to suffer all of that rounding of ADC's. The flip of that > is most stuff is recorded (these days) on digital equipment. I still > occasionally press a run of 12 inch singles (I find they just sell > easier than CD's or downloads) and it has all been mastered in the > digital domain. So, horses for courses. CD is another transient media. > It is fairly pointless and limited in quality, lifespan and durability. > I still have records from the 1950s that play clearly. I have plenty of > tea-stained destroyed CD's from the 80's that remain un-played. I don't > think I would define that as 'better'. > Ah, you must've been watching that episode of Tomorrow's World where they spread jam on a CD and proceeded to play it! Seriously though, tea-stained CDs? How do they compare against albums that have had a hot cup of tea stood on them? :-) Is it fair to say that poor-quality or poorly-stored media will degrad regardless of format? I have had new vinyl albums that have degraded quickly despite careful handling and good, well-maintained equipment. Same goes for CDs that have gone weird on me. I think there are too many variables in the listening equipment, both technological and biological, to make any comparison meaningful. Besides that the outcome of the debate is highly unlikely to make a meaningful difference in the music stores, and whilst that's not a reason to stop debating it for fun, there's certainly no point in getting lathered up over it (not implying for a moment that you were there Rik - just speaking in general terms!). I know what I like and thankfully it's available out there for me to buy and enjoy, along with many alternatives, including one of my current favourites, downloads of live music recordings from Dimeadozen. I have heard some sublime music in a format that would no doubt make purists weep, but for me it's more about the music than the quality of reproduction. I have standards, but they are set suitably low enough to let me enjoy pretty much anything played with enthusiasm, energy and passion! > As for the act of using Ubuntu (or Linux) to put vinyl to CD. It's > pretty flawless. I've happily had various M-Audio hardware (delta range) > work with Linux. Currently the cheerful USB Behringer soundcard works > without any installation on Ubuntu. They have just released a version > with a phone preamp in it too. Runs at about £25.(lots of the old > non-phono line only ones expected to drop in price I guess?). The one > thing I would say is get a quartz locked turntable with a decent Ortofon > or Shure cart. Go for stable speed and clean sound. > Worth knowing about the phono version if you are starting out. I might investigate the USB one for myself. Cheers, Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Sean Gibbins wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/dg4g85 > > 55 quid? > > That's... ...4 new albums! > > Is it worth it Martin? Bit of a daft question as you mention it so i > suppose that you do! Apologies for the Unglish folks - I started out with 'Do you rate it Martin?' in my head and ended up typing 'Is it worth it Martin?', then carried on with utter nonsense of the latter part of the sentence. What a pillock I am! Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
2009/3/30 Chris. Aubrey-Smith : > O.K. , already! > > All very interesting, but I want simply to digitise my old vinyl collection, > to a reasonable sound quality, without spending a fortune in the process. > > How do I go about this? > > Chris. If you already have a turntable connected to a HiFi amp then feed its line out to an mp3 player that has a line in socket. I use a iAudio Cowen bought from [1]. You then have a good quality sound_file.WMA, unfortunately Windows format, which you can listen to directly or transfer to your computer and convert to other formats. [1] http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk Clive Woodfine -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Clive Woodfine wrote: > If you already have a turntable connected to a HiFi amp then feed its > line out to an mp3 player that has a line in socket. I use a iAudio > Cowen bought from [1]. You then have a good quality sound_file.WMA, > unfortunately Windows format, which you can listen to directly or > transfer to your computer and convert to other formats. > > [1] http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk > Alternatively you could Rockbox [1] an iAudio X5 or similar and then record to a lossless format such as Wave, and then burn to cd or convert to your lossy format of choice. I figured the laptop soundcard was the lesser of two evils there, but I may well be wrong! Sean [1] http://www.rockbox.org/ -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Thanks, Clive! THAT's the sort of info. I wanted Chris. 2009/3/30 Clive Woodfine > 2009/3/30 Chris. Aubrey-Smith : > > O.K. , already! > > > > All very interesting, but I want simply to digitise my old vinyl > collection, > > to a reasonable sound quality, without spending a fortune in the process. > > > > How do I go about this? > > > > Chris. > > If you already have a turntable connected to a HiFi amp then feed its > line out to an mp3 player that has a line in socket. I use a iAudio > Cowen bought from [1]. You then have a good quality sound_file.WMA, > unfortunately Windows format, which you can listen to directly or > transfer to your computer and convert to other formats. > > [1] http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk > > Clive Woodfine > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
At 19:09 30/03/2009, you wrote: > > Unfortunately vinyl hardware is expensive for > > sound that is better than cd. > >Vinyl *isn't* better than CD. CD gives you much better fidelity. > >Vinyl sounds more familiar to those of us of a certain age - but that's >because we're accustomed to the lack of fidelity in the medium. Even if we >prefer it, it's not what the original performance sounded like. > >Of course, all that is obscured by the current vogue of trying to cook >one's supper with the clip lights during production... > > > This put me off doing it with a PC so i am sticking with MiniDisc > >Eh? You rank ATRAC compression as better fidelity than a moderate sound card? Fraid, so as the ATRAC compression is very good and has been refined for years since something like 1992? HiMD is not lossy by the way but full PCM >Minidisc does many things well, but high fidelity is not amongst them[1]. Its not the highest fidelity I agree but its the same as CD with HiMD and theres no other way of archiving vinyl at the moment apart from expensive sound cards in the home (according to PC Pro anyhow). Martin N Co-Moderator of MiniDisc and amithlonopen yahoo groups. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
At 20:26 30/03/2009, you wrote: >trotter wrote: > > At 18:41 30/03/2009, you wrote: > > > >> trotter wrote: > >> > >>> At 10:19 30/03/2009, you wrote: > >>> > Hi All, > > A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered > this issue or at least something similar. > > Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject > Phono Box II USB phono stage. > > >>> Decent beginner turntable. > >>> > >> Heh, it was all I could afford at the time - a used 'bargain' from ebay. > >> Badly packaged, it arrived in a 'kit form' never intended by the > >> manufacturers, and a combination of postal insurance and a partial > >> refund made it viable once the replacement parts had been purchased. > >> It's actually in great condition now and sounds good to my > >> none-too-discerning ears. > >> > >> I recall that it nearly cost me a great deal more than money when my > >> wife discovered I wanted to start buying vinyl again! > >> > >> ;-) > >> > > > > I have a projective perspective which was £600 new but i picked it > > up for £400 on ebay. Unfortunately vinyl hardware is expensive for > > sound that is better than cd. CD is better bang for buck unfortunately. > > > > I enjoy trawling car boot sales for vinyl. > > > >Yeah, I love hitting the charity shops too, although round here its all >Hammond organ music or oompa bands! Yeah that's what i found i charity shop in bolton as well -car boot is the way to go. :) > > Then cleaning them up with disco knosti antistat fluid bath. > > > >Will investigate that. Its a good cheap way to clean things up. there are better and more expensive vacuam turntables that do a better job but they start at £400 IIRC. > > > > > It occurs to me that the alternative is to unhook the phono stage from > the amp and attach it to the line-in > > >>> Is that the line in on the amp? > >>> > >> I was actually thinking of going from phono stage line-out to laptop > >> audio line-in, via a cable to convert phono leads to a 3.5mm jack plug, > >> but yes it occurs to me now that you mention it that I may be by-passing > >> the DAC device in the phono stage by doing this. > >> > >> I ripped my copy of De Stijl by The White Stripes today and got an > >> excellent result. The problem is that it is currently a lottery as to > >> what input levels I get! > >> > > > > Unfortunately line in on sound cards are frankly abysmal quality > > wise. In a recent PC pro magazine feature on ripping vinyl it stated that > > you really need to buy a sound card close to £100 for anything remotely > > decent. > > > >Well, bearing in mind that hearing differs from person to person I am >very happy with the results I have got so far, despite the odd bit of >rumble from the platter and earthing noise at high volume. That said, >I'll bear in mind your comments and stick to attempting to resolve the >issue with the mixer settings for the time being. If it works for you then that's fine, if you are happy so am I. Just thought I would point it out that if you can get hold of a audio CD recorder or MiniDisc recorder it might be a better way of doing things. > > This put me off doing it with a PC so i am sticking with MiniDisc > > for now. Besides its easier that way. > >MiniDisc should be due for /its/ revival any time now, huh? > >:-) > >Never owned one myself, just recall everyone selling them off to buy >digital media players at work! Got one of those as well (cowan iaudio D2 supports FLAC ) as its my main portable device. MiniDisc is good for convenience rather than traveling. Martin N Co-Moderator of MiniDisc and amithlonopen yahoo groups. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
The record company released MiniDisc were awful i would agree. The recording side got good around version 4.5 of ATRAC earlier versions were poorer. Cumulating in full Cd quality with HiMD and so no compression. I don't know what you mean with the screws falling out of the media as none of my MiniDisc have screw in. They are sealed plastic cases with a metal floppy disk like flap. As a format its relevance today is that it plugs into my separates and records like old tape does but with the option of longer times at lower quality. Its also Magneto Optical like the old syquest drives and has been shown to have a long shelf life. Its more of a home recording format than a portable format to most users now. Martin N Co-Moderator of MiniDisc and amithlonopen yahoo groups. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
At 20:33 30/03/2009, you wrote: >Sean Gibbins wrote: > >> Then cleaning them up with disco knosti antistat fluid bath. > >> > > > > Will investigate that. > > > >http://tinyurl.com/dg4g85 > >55 quid? > >That's... ...4 new albums! > >Is it worth it Martin? Bit of a daft question as you mention it so i >suppose that you do! Cheaper than the £400 upward for a proper cleaning machine! Depends how many albums you have to clean and how dirty they are. >How long does a litre of fluid last in terms of number of albums and >duration of the result? As you can see from the website you get 2 filter papers which you use filter out alot of the surface dirt before it goes back in the bottle to be reused. Theres a fair amount of dirt colouration after you have cleaned some records. Difficult to say how many it does as it depends on how careful you are at pouring etc. Martin N Co-Moderator of MiniDisc and amithlonopen yahoo groups. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
>The one >thing I would say is get a quartz locked turntable with a decent >Ortofon or Shure cart. Go for stable speed and clean sound. I'll second that, these [1] Ortofon's are really good on my Technics 1210's. I used to use a different Ortofon (cheaper) set and the difference is stunning. [1] http://www.dv247.com/invt/34392/ Wayne -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
On Monday 30 March 2009 20:56:21 Sean Gibbins wrote: > Apologies for the Unglish folks - I started out with 'Do you rate it > Martin?' in my head and ended up typing 'Is it worth it Martin?', then > carried on with utter nonsense of the latter part of the sentence. What > a pillock I am! Livy did it, so why not Sean? I certainly don't think that Livy was a pillock! Just an enthusiast whose mind could not keep up with itself. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Lisi wrote: > On Monday 30 March 2009 20:56:21 Sean Gibbins wrote: > >> Apologies for the Unglish folks - I started out with 'Do you rate it >> Martin?' in my head and ended up typing 'Is it worth it Martin?', then >> carried on with utter nonsense of the latter part of the sentence. What >> a pillock I am! >> > > Livy did it, so why not Sean? I certainly don't think that Livy was a > pillock! Just an enthusiast whose mind could not keep up with itself. > Hehe - I have the advantage of knowing for /certain/ that I am a pillock Lisi! It makes me cringe when I see drivel appear after hitting the 'send' button. Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:41:20PM +0100, Sean Gibbins wrote: > Lisi wrote: > > Livy did it, so why not Sean? I certainly don't think that Livy was a > > pillock! Just an enthusiast whose mind could not keep up with itself. > > > > Hehe - I have the advantage of knowing for /certain/ that I am a pillock > Lisi! > > It makes me cringe when I see drivel appear after hitting the 'send' button. Useful sometimes drivel. Not robot people know lets. Banana yoghurt? Hogu. -- === Hugo Mills: h...@... carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Anyone who claims their cryptographic protocol is secure is --- either a genius or a fool. Given the genius/fool ratio for our species, the odds aren't good. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
2009/3/31 Hugo Mills : > > Useful sometimes drivel. Not robot people know lets. Banana yoghurt? > > Hogu. This is weird, but interesting! fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! -- Philip Stubbs -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Philip Stubbs wrote: > 2009/3/31 Hugo Mills : > >> Useful sometimes drivel. Not robot people know lets. Banana yoghurt? >> >> Hogu. >> > > This is weird, but interesting! > fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too > > Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. > > i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. > The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at > Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a > wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer > be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll > raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not > raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? > yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! > > Ieninrsettig idneed; it's qeiut hrad to wrtie and aslo I fnid it hlpes to raed it qckiluy. Smoe wrdos wrok btteer tahn otrehs, too. Saen -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Sapmemrs dscivored tihs aegs ago to daefet kyowred flitres. Vriaga aonyne? Cheres, Pual. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Kev Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:14:56 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List Subject: Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue Liek 'too' Kve Sean Gibbins wrote: > Philip Stubbs wrote: >> 2009/3/31 Hugo Mills : >> >>> Useful sometimes drivel. Not robot people know lets. Banana yoghurt? >>> >>> Hogu. >>> >> This is weird, but interesting! >> fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too >> >> Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. >> >> i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. >> The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at >> Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a >> wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer >> be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll >> raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not >> raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? >> yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! >> >> > > Ieninrsettig idneed; it's qeiut hrad to wrtie and aslo I fnid it hlpes > to raed it qckiluy. Smoe wrdos wrok btteer tahn otrehs, too. > > Saen > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Liek 'too' Kve Sean Gibbins wrote: > Philip Stubbs wrote: >> 2009/3/31 Hugo Mills : >> >>> Useful sometimes drivel. Not robot people know lets. Banana yoghurt? >>> >>> Hogu. >>> >> This is weird, but interesting! >> fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too >> >> Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. >> >> i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. >> The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at >> Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a >> wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer >> be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll >> raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not >> raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? >> yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! >> >> > > Ieninrsettig idneed; it's qeiut hrad to wrtie and aslo I fnid it hlpes > to raed it qckiluy. Smoe wrdos wrok btteer tahn otrehs, too. > > Saen > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:57:51 +0100 Philip Stubbs wrote: > 2009/3/31 Hugo Mills : > > > > Useful sometimes drivel. Not robot people know lets. Banana > > yoghurt? > > > > Hogu. > > This is weird, but interesting! > fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too > > Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. > > i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. > The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at > Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a > wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer > be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll > raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not > raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? > yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! I could read that as quickly if it had been spelt normally. I might even not bother about correcting my typing errors in future ;-) -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Philip Stubbs wrote: > 2009/3/31 Hugo Mills : >> Useful sometimes drivel. Not robot people know lets. Banana yoghurt? >> >> Hogu. > > This is weird, but interesting! > fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too > > Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. > > i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. > The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at > Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a > wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer > be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll > raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not > raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? > yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! > That's why proof-reading is so hrad. -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:37:25 Paul Stimpson wrote: > Sapmemrs dscivored tihs aegs ago to daefet kyowred flitres. Vriaga aonyne? > > Cheres, > Pual. All right, I admit defeat. :-( What is kyowred? Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:37:25 Paul Stimpson wrote: > >> Sapmemrs dscivored tihs aegs ago to daefet kyowred flitres. Vriaga aonyne? >> >> Cheres, >> Pual. >> > > All right, I admit defeat. :-( What is kyowred? > > Lisi > > Keyword :) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
On Wednesday 01 April 2009 10:54:20 James Ashburner wrote: > Lisi wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:37:25 Paul Stimpson wrote: > >> Sapmemrs dscivored tihs aegs ago to daefet kyowred flitres. Vriaga > >> aonyne? > >> > >> Cheres, > >> Pual. > > > > All right, I admit defeat. :-( What is kyowred? > > > > Lisi > > Keyword :) Thanks, James. If it were later in the day I would say that I clearly ought to get off to bed. :-( -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Philip Stubbs wrote: > i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. > The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at > Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a > wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer > be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll > raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not > raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? > yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! T'tahs a cltmpoee fllcaay. Hnmaus pvcireee wdors troughh spahe and coxentt rhaetr tahn lrteet doitutisbirn. Olny cartein pmotunterias rimean liblgee. Dan -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
John Lewis wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:57:51 +0100 > Philip Stubbs wrote: > >> 2009/3/31 Hugo Mills : >> > >> > Â Useful sometimes drivel. Not robot people know lets. Banana >> > yoghurt? >> > >> > Â Hogu. >> >> This is weird, but interesting! >> fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too > I could read that as quickly if it had been spelt normally. I might > even not bother about correcting my typing errors in future ;-) I can't see the issue here? all looks fine :-/ -- http://www.diap.org.uk - distributed archive storage system development. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
2009/3/30 Sean Gibbins : > Hi All, > > A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered > this issue or at least something similar. > > Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject > Phono Box II USB phono stage. This latter device has a USB output that > shows up as a Burr-Brown USB DAC when probed by alsaconf or similar. By > selecting this device and using audacity or gramofile I can rip vinyl > albums and singles to .wav files, for subsequent processing and > compression to ogg vorbis audio files. The most convenient and > consistent way to do this has proved to be using the following process: > > 1. boot laptop running Puppy 4.11 > 2. attach Pro-Ject Phono Box II USB to usb port > 3. run alsaconf and select this device as the sound card > 4. run [zmixer|alsamixer|sgmixer|...] to set the recording level > (although this seems to be totally ineffective) > 5. run gramofile > 6. record the signal > 7. process the signal > You should not need alsaconf. Just plug the usb device in and run "alsamixer" (The dumb terminal one, not the gui one.) Options for startup could be alsamixer -c0 alsamixer -c1 etc. Once you find your usb sound card, try to set all the levels to 0dB gain. If it only shows percentage values, you are a bit lost then. Then, record your sound without changing volume levels. You should get the best recording without any distortion. You can then adjust the levels later in an audio file editor if need be. Kind Regards James -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > 2009/3/30 Sean Gibbins : > >> Hi All, >> >> A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered >> this issue or at least something similar. >> >> Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject >> Phono Box II USB phono stage. This latter device has a USB output that >> shows up as a Burr-Brown USB DAC when probed by alsaconf or similar. By >> selecting this device and using audacity or gramofile I can rip vinyl >> albums and singles to .wav files, for subsequent processing and >> compression to ogg vorbis audio files. The most convenient and >> consistent way to do this has proved to be using the following process: >> >> 1. boot laptop running Puppy 4.11 >> 2. attach Pro-Ject Phono Box II USB to usb port >> 3. run alsaconf and select this device as the sound card >> 4. run [zmixer|alsamixer|sgmixer|...] to set the recording level >> (although this seems to be totally ineffective) >> 5. run gramofile >> 6. record the signal >> 7. process the signal >> >> > > You should not need alsaconf. > Just plug the usb device in and run "alsamixer" (The dumb terminal > one, not the gui one.) > Options for startup could be > alsamixer -c0 > alsamixer -c1 > etc. > Once you find your usb sound card, try to set all the levels to 0dB gain. > If it only shows percentage values, you are a bit lost then. > > Then, record your sound without changing volume levels. > You should get the best recording without any distortion. You can then > adjust the levels later in an audio file editor if need be. I will give that a go James but I am /pretty/ sure I have already been there somewhere near the start of the quest! Perhaps it's a peculiarity of Puppy but I am certain that it only saw the laptop's onboard sound /until/ after I had run alsaconf and selected the Pro-ject/Burr-Brown device. Without doing that it defaults to the onboard microphone - just like the old days when I recorded onto a mono cassette deck from my dad's radiogram! Maybe I missed an option somewhere... Anyway, I have been around a few circles on this one and have a single to rip so it's no bother to give it another go. Thanks for the input! Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Vinyl Ripping Issue
James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > 2009/3/30 Sean Gibbins : > >> Hi All, >> >> A bit OT I know but I am hoping that someone somewhere has encountered >> this issue or at least something similar. >> >> Basically I have a Pro-ject Debut II turntable hooked up to a Pro-Ject >> Phono Box II USB phono stage. This latter device has a USB output that >> shows up as a Burr-Brown USB DAC when probed by alsaconf or similar. By >> selecting this device and using audacity or gramofile I can rip vinyl >> albums and singles to .wav files, for subsequent processing and >> compression to ogg vorbis audio files. The most convenient and >> consistent way to do this has proved to be using the following process: >> >> 1. boot laptop running Puppy 4.11 >> 2. attach Pro-Ject Phono Box II USB to usb port >> 3. run alsaconf and select this device as the sound card >> 4. run [zmixer|alsamixer|sgmixer|...] to set the recording level >> (although this seems to be totally ineffective) >> 5. run gramofile >> 6. record the signal >> 7. process the signal >> >> > > You should not need alsaconf. > Just plug the usb device in and run "alsamixer" (The dumb terminal > one, not the gui one.) > Options for startup could be > alsamixer -c0 > alsamixer -c1 > etc. > Once you find your usb sound card, try to set all the levels to 0dB gain. > If it only shows percentage values, you are a bit lost then. Hi James, I tried without alsaconf and that fell flat on its face - I could see that the usb device had been detected but I was unable to record without the software either (a) simply not working, or (b) getting in a right state, necessitating a reboot of the machine to clear. I suspect some if not much of this is down to the peculiarities of running Puppy from a usb stick - nothing wrong with that as a rule but it may be a bit 'specialised' for this particular application. Even with the alsaconf workaround the problem appears to be that alsamixer (or any other mixer for that matter) only shows a playback slider for this device in the 'playback' and 'all' views; the capture view is completely blank. This seems a little odd to me given that the primary, if not sole, purpose of the device is channelling the output from the phono stage to a digital recorder of some description, i.e. I could get my head around the opposite scenario. So, my options seem limited to: (1) contacting Pro-ject for advice. (2) taking the output from the phono stage and channelling that through the line-in socket. (3) exploring the option of using my Rockboxed iAudio X5 to capture the output somehow. Since both 2 and 3 effectively waste the additional £75 I spent on the phono stage over its non-usb counterpart (which cost me a tenner from a mate), I'll start with 1 and work down the list! Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
