Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Bill Walton wrote: My question was more general in nature than Shaun's. Does all communication in VistA get "funnelled through" a single package? Yes and no. (see below). Or do the various components (e.g., registration, pharmacy, etc.) all communicate with terminals directly? They use a mix of interfaces. Originally, they all used terminals exclusively. The interactions could be hardcoded read and write scrolling dialogs, FIle Manager driven scrolling dialogs, formatted screens, hybrid scrolling and formatting (List Manager) and then GUIs. Some applications also use HL7 interfaces and RPCs, primarily for communicating with non-M entities. Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "steven mcphelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Nothing has to be modified at all. The question was could VistA be used without using CPRS, that is, using the List Manager version of CPRS. There is no GUI client nor callback in the List Manager version. It is just a ordinary terminal session. Now if the question is how to make CPRS to use a specific port. Then Roy gave the direction for that change. The M code does not need to be modified whatsoever. However, the Delphi code that sets up the client to be a listener must be changed to send a fixed port number. - Original Message - From: "Bill Walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS A very lucid explanation, Roy. Thank you. What package in VistA contains the host end of this? I'm interested in the possibility that VistA could be wrapped in SOAP as a way of addressing the lack of M-proficient system administrators in the IT population at large (context = VistA viability for community-based physicians). Has anyone here ever been down this alley? Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "Roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to use a specific port rather than a "random" port. The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by the client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC Client gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the client sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used for all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. - Original Message - From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I would guess, in the M code? How would I find it? Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on t? -- i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roy Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS It is in the winsock code. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Shaun, The server side is written in M, and the windows client is written in Delphi pascal. I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was thinking that someone else on the list might know right how to do it. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I haven't even found a starting point. I wrongly assumed that CP
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
My question was more general in nature than Shaun's. Does all communication in VistA get "funnelled through" a single package? Or do the various components (e.g., registration, pharmacy, etc.) all communicate with terminals directly? Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "steven mcphelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > Nothing has to be modified at all. The question was could VistA be used > without using CPRS, that is, using the List Manager version of CPRS. There > is no GUI client nor callback in the List Manager version. It is just a > ordinary terminal session. > > Now if the question is how to make CPRS to use a specific port. Then Roy > gave the direction for that change. The M code does not need to be modified > whatsoever. However, the Delphi code that sets up the client to be a > listener must be changed to send a fixed port number. > > - Original Message - > From: "Bill Walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > A very lucid explanation, Roy. Thank you. > > > > What package in VistA contains the host end of this? I'm interested in > the > > possibility that VistA could be wrapped in SOAP as a way of addressing the > > lack of M-proficient system administrators in the IT population at large > > (context = VistA viability for community-based physicians). Has anyone > here > > ever been down this alley? > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to > > use > > > a specific port rather than a "random" port. > > > > > > The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by > > the > > > client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC > > Client > > > gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip > > > address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. > > > > > > The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the > client > > > sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to > > > perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used > > for > > > all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM > > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > > > > Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I > > would > > > > guess, in the M code? How would I find it? > > > > Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on > > t? -- > > > > i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in the winsock code. > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaun, > > > > > > > > > > The server side is written in M, and the windows > > > > > client is written in Delphi pascal. > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that > > > > > M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was > > > > > thinking that someone else on the list might know > > > > > right how to do it. > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I > > > > > > haven't even found a > > > > > > starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was > > > > > > written in C or C++. > > > > > > It appears to be in M. Since I can barely recognize > > > > > > M at this point, I > > > > > > can't work on the code. > > > > > > -Shaun > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >How difficult would it be to modify the source code > > > > > > so > > > > > > >that a specific port is used for the call back, > > > > > > rather > > > > > > >than a random port. I would think that finding the > > > > > > >code would the difficult part. But after found, I > > > > > > >would think that specifying a given port would be > > > > > > >straightforward. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kevin > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Which version of CPRS are you using? I got OR_30_187_SRC.ZIP and it has no reference to LocalPort (and does not have wsockc.pas). Is CPRS incremental, so I have to download the first version and overwrite files with each version after that to ensure I have it all? -Shaun Roy wrote: The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to use a specific port rather than a "random" port. The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by the client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC Client gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the client sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used for all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. - Original Message - From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I would guess, in the M code? How would I find it? Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on it? -- i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS It is in the winsock code. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Shaun, The server side is written in M, and the windows client is written in Delphi pascal. I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was thinking that someone else on the list might know right how to do it. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I haven't even found a starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was written in C or C++. It appears to be in M. Since I can barely recognize M at this point, I can't work on the code. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: How difficult would it be to modify the source code so that a specific port is used for the call back, rather than a random port. I would think that finding the code would the difficult part. But after found, I would think that specifying a given port would be straightforward. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Thanks. I got it and it is Pascal code now - not M. I was directed to the .kid files before, which definately are not the CPRS source code. -Shaun Nancy Anthracite wrote: Hi. I think I must have sent him the information for the wrong version because he should have found it, but for the 23-15 version go to ftp.va.gov/vista then software, packages, order entry results reporting, then programs, the OR_30_187_SRC.zip -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Shaun, The code is freely available on the VA FTP server **Nancy, can you supply the URL? I will tell you that you will have to have Delphi professional ($300) to compile it. I think I have that version, and I would be willing to put in an hour or two to try to get it compiled for you if you want. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I assumed that was the case, but I cannot get my hands on the CPRS source code. I've asked twice if it is available and both times I was pointed to some M code in a .kid file. -Shaun Roy wrote: The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to use a specific port rather than a "random" port. The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by the client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC Client gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the client sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used for all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. - Original Message - From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I would guess, in the M code? How would I find it? Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on it? -- i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS It is in the winsock code. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Shaun, The server side is written in M, and the windows client is written in Delphi pascal. I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was thinking that someone else on the list might know right how to do it. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I haven't even found a starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was written in C or C++. It appears to be in M. Since I can barely recognize M at this point, I can't work on the code. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: How difficult would it be to modify the source code so that a specific port is used for the call back, rather than a random port. I would think that finding the code would the difficult part. But after found, I would think that specifying a given port would be straightforward. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardha
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Hi. I think I must have sent him the information for the wrong version because he should have found it, but for the 23-15 version go to ftp.va.gov/vista then software, packages, order entry results reporting, then programs, the OR_30_187_SRC.zip -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Shaun, The code is freely available on the VA FTP server **Nancy, can you supply the URL? I will tell you that you will have to have Delphi professional ($300) to compile it. I think I have that version, and I would be willing to put in an hour or two to try to get it compiled for you if you want. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I assumed that was the case, but I cannot get my > hands on the CPRS > source code. I've asked twice if it is available > and both times I was > pointed to some M code in a .kid file. > -Shaun > > Roy wrote: > > >The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would > have to modify it to use > >a specific port rather than a "random" port. > > > >The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the > callback is actually set by the > >client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you > will see how the RPC Client > >gets this port, it sends the port to the host > (VistA) along with the ip > >address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the > call back. > > > >The process is rather simple, an initial connection > is made and the client > >sends the necessary info to the host, the host > forks off a process to > >perform the callback to the client, this forked > process is the one used for > >all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I > hope this helps. > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM > >Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > > > >>Is that with the RPC broker components in the > Delphi code, or, as I would > >>guess, in the M code? How would I find it? > >>Can you think of a string I could search M code > for to hone in on it? -- > >>i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us > newbies!!! ;-) > >> > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Roy > >>Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > >> > >> > >>It is in the winsock code. > >> > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Shaun, > >>> > >>>The server side is written in M, and the windows > >>>client is written in Delphi pascal. > >>> > >>>I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all > that > >>>M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was > >>>thinking that someone else on the list might know > >>>right how to do it. > >>> > >>>Kevin > >>> > >>>--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I > haven't even found a > starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was > written in C or C++. > It appears to be in M. Since I can barely > recognize > M at this point, I > can't work on the code. > -Shaun > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > > > >How difficult would it be to modify the source > code > > > > > so > > > >that a specific port is used for the call back, > > > > > rather > > > >than a random port. I would think that finding > the > >code would the difficult part. But after > found, I > >would think that specifying a given port would > be > >straightforward. > > > >Kevin > > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS > with > >>our network security. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > > > > > providers! > > > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > --- > > > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > > > > > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > > > >Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini > FREE > > > > > for your judgement on > > > >who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > > > > > Sponsored by IBM. > > > >Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > > > > > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > > > >___
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
What version of CPRS are you using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS I assumed that was the case, but I cannot get my hands on the CPRS source code. I've asked twice if it is available and both times I was pointed to some M code in a .kid file. -Shaun Roy wrote: >The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to use >a specific port rather than a "random" port. > >The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by the >client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC Client >gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip >address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. > >The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the client >sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to >perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used for >all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. > >- Original Message - >From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM >Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > >>Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I would >>guess, in the M code? How would I find it? >>Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on it? -- >>i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy >>Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS >> >> >>It is in the winsock code. >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS >> >> >> >> >>>Shaun, >>> >>>The server side is written in M, and the windows >>>client is written in Delphi pascal. >>> >>>I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that >>>M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was >>>thinking that someone else on the list might know >>>right how to do it. >>> >>>Kevin >>> >>>--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I haven't even found a starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was written in C or C++. It appears to be in M. Since I can barely recognize M at this point, I can't work on the code. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: >How difficult would it be to modify the source code > > so >that a specific port is used for the call back, > > rather >than a random port. I would think that finding the >code would the difficult part. But after found, I >would think that specifying a given port would be >straightforward. > >Kevin > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with >>our network security. >> >> >> >> > > >__ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > > providers! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > --- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > > JUDGE. Be one of 170 >Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > > for your judgement on >who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > > Sponsored by IBM. >Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php >___ >Hardhats-members mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > >>>--- >>> >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. >>>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >>
Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
Let me just add that the little exercise that we are doing here at UW is directed at just the issues brought out in this dialog thread, namely the creation of an "Introduction to VistA" which is based upon the the body of conceptual content informatics standards oriented to the basic care scenario. We have participants from the Health Information Management professional discipline program (aka Medical Record Administrators) herwe at UW as well as other healthcare disciplines. The intention is to have the Intro doc point to the exsiting User and Technical documentation but have enough of a global perspective and vernacular to allow entry into meaningful dialog by either non-informatics practitioners of any of the healthcare disciplines or the information engineering disciplines. This will make VistA a useful instructional tool throughout the education of the Healthcare Professions and stimulate dialog regarding evolving capabilities. I have sent one version to Nancy Anthracite for critical input regarding the ObGYn/Peds View of VistA and I solicit those who would be willing to give input regarding other "Views". The evolving document set will be openly vailable via World VistA and its Education Committee hwere we hope to provoke discussion of educational approaches and issues regarding informatics subjects in the education of health professions using VistA as a comprehensive enterprise architecture foil for dialog. The intention is to work with contacts in the VA, IHS and DoD via these open organizational links to promote discussion of extensions to VistA configurations that are demonstrations of the common conventions (standards) for the conceptual content. Implementation discussions can then focus on uses of the evolving technology to best serve the target beneficiaries; it is expected that the M Technology can hold its own through performance and scalability in being components of enterprise informtion architectures. The Hardhats are an excellent forum for that kind of discussion if given the clear targets from the Conceptual Content discussion. Thus, content input from Hardhats participants will provide an immediate advantage. As soon as a World VistA and Education Committee organizational framework is documnented. UW will provide the latest versions of this document set to WV for circulation by an Open mechansism. Meantime, we solicit comments and input regarding the outine and section detail (particulalry in the implementation section which is still quite incomplete when compared to what is envisioned) so that the versions distributed ad hoc until the WV activity is formed can reflect the needed comprehensive picture. Copies of this documentation can also be provided for a hardhats central site. Arden W. Forrey PhD Dept of Restorative Dentistry University of Washington School of Dentistry 206-616-1875 Phone 206-543-7783 FAX On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, CS Wagner wrote: I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of finding and reading the documentation. For instance, I had no idea what the 'Add a User' command was when I started. The VA has a great volume of documentation online, but it is broken up by cryptic module names. I had to scan through each and every file on the site until I found something that looked like it might work. Luckily, Nancy sent me a document that had XUSERADD right at the top. Next, adding a patient... I don't know what module that would be in. I just want the command. After scanning a bunch (over 50) of possible docs, I found mention of DG ADD PATIENT. I tried that and it worked (of course, I still don't know what 10-10 Data is or how to add an outpatient). Side note: You cannot easily search PDF and Word documents online. It would be SO much nicer if all the documents were in HTML. I assume that the DG on DG ADD PATIENT means something to those who know the modules, but it means nothing to me because I haven't found a document that lists all the module names and what they do. I know that would be a huge list, but it could be made nicer by listing only the top 10 most used modules at the top. The same with the commands - a list of the top 20 most used commands (and what they do) would be nice. Because I am a software engineer, I recognize the problem too well. This is like trying to convert a Windows user Linux (sans GUI). They may have used DOS and they know that 'dir' will list a directory, but that won't help them figure out that it is 'ls' in Linux. Once they figure out a few commands, telling them to read the man page is a waste of time because the manual is written specifically for those who already know how to use Linux, not for those trying to figure it out. The popularity of Linux is directly related to the translation of the manuals from tech-speak to plain English. I think that Vista has the ability to become more popular as the manuals are translated from cryptic module g
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Shaun, The code is freely available on the VA FTP server **Nancy, can you supply the URL? I will tell you that you will have to have Delphi professional ($300) to compile it. I think I have that version, and I would be willing to put in an hour or two to try to get it compiled for you if you want. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I assumed that was the case, but I cannot get my > hands on the CPRS > source code. I've asked twice if it is available > and both times I was > pointed to some M code in a .kid file. > -Shaun > > Roy wrote: > > >The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would > have to modify it to use > >a specific port rather than a "random" port. > > > >The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the > callback is actually set by the > >client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you > will see how the RPC Client > >gets this port, it sends the port to the host > (VistA) along with the ip > >address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the > call back. > > > >The process is rather simple, an initial connection > is made and the client > >sends the necessary info to the host, the host > forks off a process to > >perform the callback to the client, this forked > process is the one used for > >all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I > hope this helps. > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM > >Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > > > >>Is that with the RPC broker components in the > Delphi code, or, as I would > >>guess, in the M code? How would I find it? > >>Can you think of a string I could search M code > for to hone in on it? -- > >>i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us > newbies!!! ;-) > >> > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Roy > >>Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > >> > >> > >>It is in the winsock code. > >> > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Shaun, > >>> > >>>The server side is written in M, and the windows > >>>client is written in Delphi pascal. > >>> > >>>I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all > that > >>>M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was > >>>thinking that someone else on the list might know > >>>right how to do it. > >>> > >>>Kevin > >>> > >>>--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I > haven't even found a > starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was > written in C or C++. > It appears to be in M. Since I can barely > recognize > M at this point, I > can't work on the code. > -Shaun > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > > > >How difficult would it be to modify the source > code > > > > > so > > > >that a specific port is used for the call back, > > > > > rather > > > >than a random port. I would think that finding > the > >code would the difficult part. But after > found, I > >would think that specifying a given port would > be > >straightforward. > > > >Kevin > > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS > with > >>our network security. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > > > > > providers! > > > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > --- > > > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > > > > > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > > > >Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini > FREE > > > > > for your judgement on > > > >who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > > > > > Sponsored by IBM. > > > >Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > > > > > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > > > >___ > >Hardhats-members mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > >>>-
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Nothing has to be modified at all. The question was could VistA be used without using CPRS, that is, using the List Manager version of CPRS. There is no GUI client nor callback in the List Manager version. It is just a ordinary terminal session. Now if the question is how to make CPRS to use a specific port. Then Roy gave the direction for that change. The M code does not need to be modified whatsoever. However, the Delphi code that sets up the client to be a listener must be changed to send a fixed port number. - Original Message - From: "Bill Walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > A very lucid explanation, Roy. Thank you. > > What package in VistA contains the host end of this? I'm interested in the > possibility that VistA could be wrapped in SOAP as a way of addressing the > lack of M-proficient system administrators in the IT population at large > (context = VistA viability for community-based physicians). Has anyone here > ever been down this alley? > > Thanks, > Bill > > > - Original Message - > From: "Roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to > use > > a specific port rather than a "random" port. > > > > The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by > the > > client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC > Client > > gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip > > address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. > > > > The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the client > > sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to > > perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used > for > > all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I > would > > > guess, in the M code? How would I find it? > > > Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on > t? -- > > > i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy > > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > > > It is in the winsock code. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > > > > Shaun, > > > > > > > > The server side is written in M, and the windows > > > > client is written in Delphi pascal. > > > > > > > > I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that > > > > M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was > > > > thinking that someone else on the list might know > > > > right how to do it. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I > > > > > haven't even found a > > > > > starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was > > > > > written in C or C++. > > > > > It appears to be in M. Since I can barely recognize > > > > > M at this point, I > > > > > can't work on the code. > > > > > -Shaun > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >How difficult would it be to modify the source code > > > > > so > > > > > >that a specific port is used for the call back, > > > > > rather > > > > > >than a random port. I would think that finding the > > > > > >code would the difficult part. But after found, I > > > > > >would think that specifying a given port would be > > > > > >straightforward. > > > > > > > > > > > >Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with > > > > > >>our network security. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > > > > > providers! > > > > > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > > > > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > > > > > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > > > > > >Project Admins to receive an
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
I assumed that was the case, but I cannot get my hands on the CPRS source code. I've asked twice if it is available and both times I was pointed to some M code in a .kid file. -Shaun Roy wrote: The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to use a specific port rather than a "random" port. The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by the client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC Client gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the client sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used for all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. - Original Message - From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I would guess, in the M code? How would I find it? Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on it? -- i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS It is in the winsock code. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Shaun, The server side is written in M, and the windows client is written in Delphi pascal. I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was thinking that someone else on the list might know right how to do it. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I haven't even found a starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was written in C or C++. It appears to be in M. Since I can barely recognize M at this point, I can't work on the code. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: How difficult would it be to modify the source code so that a specific port is used for the call back, rather than a random port. I would think that finding the code would the difficult part. But after found, I would think that specifying a given port would be straightforward. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadl
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
A very lucid explanation, Roy. Thank you. What package in VistA contains the host end of this? I'm interested in the possibility that VistA could be wrapped in SOAP as a way of addressing the lack of M-proficient system administrators in the IT population at large (context = VistA viability for community-based physicians). Has anyone here ever been down this alley? Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "Roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to use > a specific port rather than a "random" port. > > The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by the > client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC Client > gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip > address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. > > The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the client > sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to > perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used for > all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. > > - Original Message - > From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I would > > guess, in the M code? How would I find it? > > Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on t? -- > > i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > It is in the winsock code. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > > > > Shaun, > > > > > > The server side is written in M, and the windows > > > client is written in Delphi pascal. > > > > > > I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that > > > M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was > > > thinking that someone else on the list might know > > > right how to do it. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I > > > > haven't even found a > > > > starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was > > > > written in C or C++. > > > > It appears to be in M. Since I can barely recognize > > > > M at this point, I > > > > can't work on the code. > > > > -Shaun > > > > > > > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > >How difficult would it be to modify the source code > > > > so > > > > >that a specific port is used for the call back, > > > > rather > > > > >than a random port. I would think that finding the > > > > >code would the difficult part. But after found, I > > > > >would think that specifying a given port would be > > > > >straightforward. > > > > > > > > > >Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with > > > > >>our network security. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > > > > providers! > > > > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > > > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > > > > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > > > > >Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > > > > for your judgement on > > > > >who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > > > > Sponsored by IBM. > > > > >Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > > > > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > > > > >___ > > > > >Hardhats-members mailing list > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. > > > > Be one of 170 > > > > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > > > > for your judgement on > > > > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > > > > Sponsored by IBM. > > > > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > > > > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > > > > ___ > > > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECT
