[Hardhats-members] Re: Configuration Project -- update

2004-10-26 Thread John Leo Zimmer
 
OK,  
Something to play with. 
Thanks, Kevin 
 
gra'pa Z 
 
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 Let's try this again.  I think I have the correct 
 files uploaded now.   
  
 
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Fwd: Text of Article from Modern Physician

2004-10-26 Thread Vincent . Dodd
we are working on an interface.

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The issue of lab data communication has largely been addressed by to sets 
of messaging standards:
1) Instrument Interface with lab information systems (particulalry 
Point-of-Care instrumentation) is address by NCCLS (1 Nov to be: Clinical 
and Laboratory Standards Institutue - CLSI) POCT1A
2) HL7 v2.x standards  and CLSI LIS2A and LIS5A which define 
instrument-computer and computer-computer system data exchanges.

#1 uses message formats from #2 but defines low-lvel protocols similar to 
LIS1A (the CLSI stds were previously ASTM E-31). The EHR locations of 
these data (ASTM E-1384) have been mapped to the lab standards and are 
being related to the newer V3 HL7 standards. VistA has an HL7 messaging 
module that can deal with these messaging flow how ever the CLSI POCT1A 
use with respect to lab data flow is in a later state of evolution. 
Discussions are underway with World VistA about work with the clinical lab 
specialty societies to address these issues in concert with society 
educational forums and other meetings. The lab companies below usually have 
this capability but use of the LOINC vocabulary (present in VistA) within 
healthcare enterpise business processes is an additional dimension that 
both lab service and lab information system Suppliers have had difficulty 
with. Thus this probleme area will require collbaorative work with these 
healthcare disciplines.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Nancy E. 
Anthracite wrote:

 I suspect by lab interface Kevin is referring to getting lab results back
from
 Lab Corp, Quest and the like and entering the results directly into the
EMR.
 Some years ago, the cost to do that was usually about $5000 collected by
the
 EMR company and another $5000 collected by the lab for an interface for
ONE
 lab.  I don't know it that is true any longer, but I strongly suspect it
is.
 Getting labs to make their output compliant with some standard would be a
big
 step forward and one that I think may have to be mandated by the
government
 sooner or later as there will be little incentive to change otherwise.
Now
 if the VA did not do their own lab for the most part, they are big enough
to
 force a standardized interface.

 On Tuesday 19 October 2004 02:22 pm, Cameron Schlehuber wrote:
 I think those are excellent observations!

 As for lab results, most lab instruments have electronic interfaces built
 in.  (In my experience, even the oldest equipment had at least a
 rudimentary electronic output.)

 With regard to upgrading, the VA has been extremely conservative with
 regard to what kind of equipment the end user needs for access to VistA,
as
 well as the server side hardware and software.  Unless you're getting
into
 diagnostic imaging, hardware (and code set license) costs will be in line
 with support costs (I would guess support costs over a 3 to 5 year
upgrade
 cycle would be nearly the same as the hardware and license fees for the
 same time period).

 Having standard health data interchange standards as ubiquitous as the
 exchange standards banks use is critical to the VA's and the rest of the
 world's success at providing a cost saving HER.  It's among the VHA's
 highest priority if not THE highest.

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 Toppenberg
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Physician

 Hello all,

 In Tennessee, our medical malpractice company is
 hosting an EMR conference this December (and why it is
 them is interesting) .  My office manager and I will
 be attending at the request of my medical group.  The
 group had previously agreed (tenatively) to go with
 VistA, but they still want me to look at other
 alternatives.  I haven't seen the actual report, but I
 have heard that AAFP is now strongly recommending
 that physicians get an EMR system.  I think this will
 push many into buying in--perhaps for fear of
 liability if something happens after such a strong
 directive is ignored.  This will be an business
 expense, not an investment, because there will be
 little (and I suspect no) financial return on this
 expendature.

 But frankly, I worry that this will be an expensive
 wild goose chase.  I believe the power of an EMR will
 not be realized unless there is interoperability.  For
 example, if labs are not obtained in a standard format
 that could be shared with others, then users will end
 up scanning the report and storing it as a graphic.
 This is no better than a paper chart.  And while many
 labs probably have such an interface, I know that my
 hospital doesn't.  And I suspect a majority of small
 hospitals don't (and remember that MUCH of America's
 health 

[Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Hello all,

I need to do some terminal scripting.  As I try to
download old progress notes from my server, it keeps
stopping and asking me a pointless question (1000's of
times!).  I need a simple terminal script that enters
N.

I know that TeraTerm Pro will do scripting, but I
can't get it to properly emulate an 3151 terminal that
our server expects.  The bash shell, however, does
fine: all the functions keys work as needed etc.

So I know that there is a scripting language built
into bash.  Is there any easy to write a program that
simply scans for a given phrase (i.e. Is this the
same patient?) and then automatically enter N.  And
if not found, then stay out of the way?

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread Maury Pepper
Kevin,

What problem are you having with TeraTerm?
For scripting, terminal type usually isn't an issue.
The keyboard config file allows for redefining most of the keys. (I can help
with this.)
It also has TEK4010 emulation which perhaps your system can handle.



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 Hello all,

 I need to do some terminal scripting.  As I try to
 download old progress notes from my server, it keeps
 stopping and asking me a pointless question (1000's of
 times!).  I need a simple terminal script that enters
 N.

 I know that TeraTerm Pro will do scripting, but I
 can't get it to properly emulate an 3151 terminal that
 our server expects.  The bash shell, however, does
 fine: all the functions keys work as needed etc.

 So I know that there is a scripting language built
 into bash.  Is there any easy to write a program that
 simply scans for a given phrase (i.e. Is this the
 same patient?) and then automatically enter N.  And
 if not found, then stay out of the way?

 Thanks
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
OK, I'm going to think out loud.  Please let me know
if I am off track.

In my bash script, I will need to initiate a
connection to my old (AIX) server.  We're on a VPN, so
are using telnet.

#begin script
telnet xx.xx.xx.xx
echo goodbyte
#end script

The above script will not show goodbye until after
the connection to the server is closed.  This won't
help.  So I need to somehow control the input and
output of the telnet program.  Sounds like redirection
is needed.

#begin script
telnet xx.xx.xx.xx  SomeScript  SomeScript
echo goodbyte
#end script

The above should launch telnet as well as SomeScript,
and put all output to SomeScript, and get all input
from the same.

But my question is, will this direct IO to a process,
or will it overwrite SomeScript as a simple text file?

Kevin


--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 I need to do some terminal scripting.  As I try to
 download old progress notes from my server, it keeps
 stopping and asking me a pointless question (1000's
 of
 times!).  I need a simple terminal script that
 enters
 N.
 
 I know that TeraTerm Pro will do scripting, but I
 can't get it to properly emulate an 3151 terminal
 that
 our server expects.  The bash shell, however, does
 fine: all the functions keys work as needed etc.
 
 So I know that there is a scripting language built
 into bash.  Is there any easy to write a program
 that
 simply scans for a given phrase (i.e. Is this the
 same patient?) and then automatically enter N. 
 And
 if not found, then stay out of the way?
 
 Thanks
 Kevin
 
 
 
   
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[Hardhats-members] Re: Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread John Leo Zimmer
You need a way to hook GTM to your 3151 terminal, whatever that is. 
Then you could use MUMPS for your scripting. 
Used to be easy when dumb terminals were sufficiently dumb. 
 
gra'pa Z 
 
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread Marc Aylesworth
You should be able to remote shell (rsh) into the mahine.

Ex. 

rsh command or script 


To do the same thing



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Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with
scripting?

OK, I'm going to think out loud.  Please let me know if I am off track.

In my bash script, I will need to initiate a connection to my old (AIX)
server.  We're on a VPN, so are using telnet.

#begin script
telnet xx.xx.xx.xx
echo goodbyte
#end script

The above script will not show goodbye until after the connection to
the server is closed.  This won't help.  So I need to somehow control
the input and output of the telnet program.  Sounds like redirection is
needed.

#begin script
telnet xx.xx.xx.xx  SomeScript  SomeScript echo goodbyte
#end script

The above should launch telnet as well as SomeScript, and put all output
to SomeScript, and get all input from the same.

But my question is, will this direct IO to a process, or will it
overwrite SomeScript as a simple text file?

Kevin


--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 I need to do some terminal scripting.  As I try to download old 
 progress notes from my server, it keeps stopping and asking me a 
 pointless question (1000's of times!).  I need a simple terminal 
 script that enters N.
 
 I know that TeraTerm Pro will do scripting, but I can't get it to 
 properly emulate an 3151 terminal that our server expects.  The bash 
 shell, however, does
 fine: all the functions keys work as needed etc.
 
 So I know that there is a scripting language built into bash.  Is 
 there any easy to write a program that simply scans for a given phrase

 (i.e. Is this the same patient?) and then automatically enter N.
 And
 if not found, then stay out of the way?
 
 Thanks
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread Benjamin Irwin
Kea! Does have a scripting language that allows just that option.  Something
like if the last string received is Hit and Key to continue then Kea! Will
insert a carriage return.

However, I have found all terminal emulators to have their own script
language, everything from Basic based to Java based, but never quite the
same.

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scripting?


Hello all,

I need to do some terminal scripting.  As I try to
download old progress notes from my server, it keeps
stopping and asking me a pointless question (1000's of
times!).  I need a simple terminal script that enters
N.

I know that TeraTerm Pro will do scripting, but I
can't get it to properly emulate an 3151 terminal that
our server expects.  The bash shell, however, does
fine: all the functions keys work as needed etc.

So I know that there is a scripting language built
into bash.  Is there any easy to write a program that
simply scans for a given phrase (i.e. Is this the
same patient?) and then automatically enter N.  And
if not found, then stay out of the way?

Thanks
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread Maury Pepper
Kevin,

If escape sequences are necessary to navigate, and if you don't know the
escape sequences, then how will you write a
script which contains all of the necessary characters?

The following termcap segment came from
www.blueemulations.com/e3151doc.shtml
:f1=\Ea\r:f2=\Eb\r:f3=\Ec\r:f4=\Ed\r:f5=\Ee\r:
:f6=\Ef\r:f7=\Eg\r:f8=\Eh\r:f9=\Ei\r:f10=\Ej\r:
:f11=\Ek\r:f12=\El\r:
:F1=\E!a\r:F2=\E!b\r:F3=\E!c\r:F4=\E!d\r:F5=\E!e\r:
:F6=\E!f\r:F7=\E!g\r:F8=\Ew\r:F9=\E!i\r:F10=\E!j\r:
:F11=\E!k\r:F12=\E!l\r:
:^f1=\Ea\r:^f2=\Eb\r:^f3=\Ec\r:^f4=\Ed\r:^f5=\Ee\r:
:^f6=\Ef\r:^f7=\Eg\r:^f8=\Eh\r:^f9=\Ei\r:^f10=\Ej\r:
:^f11=\Ek\r:^f12=\El\r:

-maury-


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From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with
scripting?


 Maury,

 I spent a full day a month or so ago trying to get
 TeraTerm to work with our server, and finally gave up.
  In order to navigate on the server, I have to use
 F1-F12 keys.  I spent a long time trying to figure out
 the escape sequences that should be sent when F1 etc
 is pressed, but couldn't ever get it to work.  I know
 that key mapping would allow for any arbitrary
 sequence to be sent when a key is pressed.  But again,
 I couldn't figure out what they should be.

 Thanks
 Kevin


 --- Maury Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Kevin,
 
  What problem are you having with TeraTerm?
  For scripting, terminal type usually isn't an issue.
  The keyboard config file allows for redefining most
  of the keys. (I can help
  with this.)
  It also has TEK4010 emulation which perhaps your
  system can handle.
 
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Hardhats Sourceforge
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:22 PM
  Subject: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as
  terminal emulator, with
  scripting?
 
 
   Hello all,
  
   I need to do some terminal scripting.  As I try to
   download old progress notes from my server, it
  keeps
   stopping and asking me a pointless question
  (1000's of
   times!).  I need a simple terminal script that
  enters
   N.
  
   I know that TeraTerm Pro will do scripting, but I
   can't get it to properly emulate an 3151 terminal
  that
   our server expects.  The bash shell, however, does
   fine: all the functions keys work as needed etc.
  
   So I know that there is a scripting language built
   into bash.  Is there any easy to write a program
  that
   simply scans for a given phrase (i.e. Is this the
   same patient?) and then automatically enter N.
  And
   if not found, then stay out of the way?
  
   Thanks
   Kevin



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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread Maury Pepper
If escape sequences are necessary to navigate, and if you don't know the
escape sequences, then how will you write a
script which contains all of the necessary characters?

The following termcap segment came from
www.blueemulations.com/e3151doc.shtml
:f1=\Ea\r:f2=\Eb\r:f3=\Ec\r:f4=\Ed\r:f5=\Ee\r:
:f6=\Ef\r:f7=\Eg\r:f8=\Eh\r:f9=\Ei\r:f10=\Ej\r:
:f11=\Ek\r:f12=\El\r:
:F1=\E!a\r:F2=\E!b\r:F3=\E!c\r:F4=\E!d\r:F5=\E!e\r:
:F6=\E!f\r:F7=\E!g\r:F8=\Ew\r:F9=\E!i\r:F10=\E!j\r:
:F11=\E!k\r:F12=\E!l\r:
:^f1=\Ea\r:^f2=\Eb\r:^f3=\Ec\r:^f4=\Ed\r:^f5=\Ee\r:
:^f6=\Ef\r:^f7=\Eg\r:^f8=\Eh\r:^f9=\Ei\r:^f10=\Ej\r:
:^f11=\Ek\r:^f12=\El\r:


- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as terminal emulator, with
scripting?


 Maury,

 I spent a full day a month or so ago trying to get
 TeraTerm to work with our server, and finally gave up.
  In order to navigate on the server, I have to use
 F1-F12 keys.  I spent a long time trying to figure out
 the escape sequences that should be sent when F1 etc
 is pressed, but couldn't ever get it to work.  I know
 that key mapping would allow for any arbitrary
 sequence to be sent when a key is pressed.  But again,
 I couldn't figure out what they should be.

 Thanks
 Kevin


 --- Maury Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Kevin,
 
  What problem are you having with TeraTerm?
  For scripting, terminal type usually isn't an issue.
  The keyboard config file allows for redefining most
  of the keys. (I can help
  with this.)
  It also has TEK4010 emulation which perhaps your
  system can handle.
 
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Hardhats Sourceforge
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:22 PM
  Subject: [Hardhats-members] Linux console as
  terminal emulator, with
  scripting?
 
 
   Hello all,
  
   I need to do some terminal scripting.  As I try to
   download old progress notes from my server, it
  keeps
   stopping and asking me a pointless question
  (1000's of
   times!).  I need a simple terminal script that
  enters
   N.
  
   I know that TeraTerm Pro will do scripting, but I
   can't get it to properly emulate an 3151 terminal
  that
   our server expects.  The bash shell, however, does
   fine: all the functions keys work as needed etc.
  
   So I know that there is a scripting language built
   into bash.  Is there any easy to write a program
  that
   simply scans for a given phrase (i.e. Is this the
   same patient?) and then automatically enter N.
  And
   if not found, then stay out of the way?
  
   Thanks
   Kevin
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Linux console as terminal emulator, with scripting?

2004-10-26 Thread Floyd Dennis
On 10/26/04 5:22 PM, Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 # Setenv DISPLAY=vt-100
 ksh: Setenv:  not found.
 # Export DISPLAY=vt-100
 ksh: Export:  not found.

AIX commands are case-sensitive.  Make certain you're using 'setenv/export'
instead of 'Setenv/Export' .

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