[Hardhats-members] Linux package handling and other... (was Re: Linux KDE question)
Kevin and folks: On package handling, Fedora uses yum (short for YellowDog Update Manager). yum (RedHat, CentOS, and Fedora flavors) parallels apt-get (Debian, Knoppix, and K/Ubuntu flavors). man yum will give more details, but if the package repositories in the yum sources file has a particular package, it would be yum install package name. Like apt-get there is yum check-update and yum upgrade (similar to apt-get upgrade) as well. I would STRONG urge NOT to use apt for rpm's from personal usage as well as other tales of terror. ;-) Keep apt for the Debian forks, use yum for the RedHat forks. As for Fedora itself...I would suggest CentOS instead. It is a week delayed version of RHEL (RedHat Enterprise Linux), just without the RedHat labels and tags due to their licenses. I have used it quite successfully for our clients in the event they want a quick install (since Gentoo takes a few days to compile from source after all ;-) ). CentOS does also have a server only edition, which is 1 CD and is bare minimal packages (i.e., no fat like X, KDE, Gnome, etc.). Fedora as Nancy and others have mentioned is extremely too unstable and bleeding edge for a production environment. Personal use...one's call there obviously. HTH and FWIW. --- Crawford PS: I get the HardHat's list in digest mode, so pardon any delays on responding. The Linux ETC Company 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Suite #146 Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com
Re: [Hardhats-members] Recommend a preloaded Linux system?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. 11. Recommend a preloaded Linux system? (Ernest Pieper) --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:07:18 -0700 From: Ernest Pieper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Recommend a preloaded Linux system? Reply-To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net --=_Part_6776_1451860.1146258438461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline We are attempting to look at the some of the VistA/Open-VistA products available. To date we have had trouble getting our WiFi cards to work with Linux. Would anyone care to recommend an inexpensive laptop or desktop that comes preloaded with Linux? Thank You, Ernie Pieper Pharmacist Glenn Medical Center Willows, CA I will break this into two parts. First Linux on laptops and second Linux and Wifi. Linux on Laptops: There is actually a site out there with How To's on installation of Linux on laptops. This is separated by brand, model, with the author's particular distribution in mind. For those who are I need to know now! types, download K/Ubuntu LiveCD (version 5.10 is the latest, with 6.0 around the corner if I recall correctly), boot the laptop to be Linux'ized from said CD, and go from there. These are stable kernel distributions that in most cases (insert disclaimer here) should autodetect the common chipsets for hardware out there, including wireless. Now on to Linux and Wifi... Wifi: Linux and any hardware (network cards in particular) is an interesting topic to say the least. The common chipsets for wireless network cards are Orinoco, Prism, Intel, and Atheros (aka MADWifi) to name a few that I can recall quickly that most popular distributions (reference DistroWatch at http://www.distrowatch.com) will detect. Current kernel version along the 2.6.x series (I would look at 2.6.9 and beyond in particular) are adding and enhancing these on a regular basis (though I am still fighting the the Intel/Broadcom ipw2200 set myself with Gentoo). K/Ubuntu both have LiveCD versions that I have noticed can pick up most of the common chipset for wireless networks. SuSE/Novell has been pretty good as well. RedHat and CentOS I have had mixed troubles and headaches personally. Gentoo can cover most, but IS NOT for the newbie of Linux nor faint of heart. One other key item to keep in mind...latest and newest does not mean it will fly right off the bat in Linux (save for those embedded software Linux kernel geek types that have to have a hobby here), so I would recommend a generation back on the chipset line. With the above in mind for an 802.11b/g setup: - 3Com makes some Prism and Atheros based PCMCIA cards (covers the whole 802.11a/b/g). - Most recent IBM/Lenovo laptops with built in mini-PCI wifi cards are Intel ipw2100 or ipw2200 or Atheros based (most are 802.11b/g). - Most recent HP/Compaq laptops with built in mini-PCI wifi cards are Intel ipw2100 and ipw2200 (most are 802.11b/g). FWIW and HTH. --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company 368 South McCaslin Boulevard PMB 146 Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com (getting updated a bit)
RE: [Hardhats-members] VMWare questions
There are actually several levels of VMware out there, the most noticed are the Workstation and GSX versions. Workstation runs as follows (which a few have described). You have a host operating system and computer. VMware is installed on said host. VMware then will accept virtual machines (VM for short) to be installed on it. In some cases, you can run multiple VM's, however, you are limited to (1) the physical size of the hard drive and (2) 50% of the total RAM amount on the host machine to be used. Hence why most people wonder why I have 2GBs on my laptops for training purposes. GSX is the server version of VMware. It is its own operating system (pseudo-Linux based per memory). It is installed on the system, then will run VM's underneath it. So to answer Kevin's initial questions... Can VMWare be installed AFTER windows (i.e. after windows is already installed)? Doesn't it run UNDER windows somehow? See above, yes it will run under Windows if Windows is the host operating system for the Workstation version. GSX will be the host operating system for that situation with Windows and/or Linux being the VM's underneath. Would there be any problem using VMWare to host a linux process on a Windows server, to run GT.M in? I supposed we would have to re-partition the harddrive with PartitionMagic to give the linux process somewhere to work in. The VM with enough allocated hard drive space initially allocated will run a Linux distro of choice underneath it. Information can be exchanged via a virtual network between the host and virtual machines real time (VMware will set up this virtual networking either via bridged or NAT styles). Skip the Partition Magic part, it is not needed in this case. Just allocated ample physical hard drive space (~8GB for a console version of a Linux server) and 512MB of VM's RAM (or 1GB for the whole machine) should work nicely. HTH, and back to lurking on the list. ;-) --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Suite 146 Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com
[Hardhats-members] Test, please ignore
Just a test, please ignore. TIA. --- Crawford --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: Test, please ignore
Actually, SourceForge for some odd reason has been blocking my posts for the past several months. I finally gave in and talked to Greg Kreis who pointed me to the SF folks to finally get this corrected. Part of this was switching static IPs initially, then swapping out ISP's entirely later. During this time though, yes, I received everyone's email in digest form (luckily) and tried to reply to a few of them, but...alas, couldn't. So now you do have to put up with me once again. ;-) --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company 368 South McCaslin Boulevard P.M.B. 146 Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 11:30 -0700, hardhats-members- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:34:19 -0400 From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Re: Test, please ignore Reply-To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net OK. But don't be a stranger. OK? :-) Kevin On 9/19/05, Crawford Rainwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a test, please ignore. =20 TIA. =20 --- Crawford =20 =20 =20 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] On Linux support (was Re: On Linux distributions...)
In regards to support, I was referring to the distribution supporting and offering outside support in house like RedHat and Novell/SuSE does directly. Ubunbutu (which I actually have Kubuntu going on my laptop) has support from third parties, but as with most third parties supporting a product there is that use at your own whim aspect and clause I suspect somewhere in the writing. In the end, supporting Linux for any VistA implementation (in this case, just a base demo site) that was described in Mexico City by Dr. Alberto Odor (the original thread here) will be a must. Depending on the resources available (e.g., local or remote Linux savvy gurus) will depend on how easy it is to get things going here. As with most that have attempted simple implementations from scratch on the HH's list there have been some interesting trials with Linux distributions here, but most have succeeded in the end. :-) --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company 368 South McCaslin Boulevard P.M.B. 146 Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 20:19 -0700, Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 2 Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] On Linux distributions (was Re: How do I start?) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:19:43 -0500 From: Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Reply-To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Crawford -- Good to hear from you again - you've been quiet for a while! If you consider Debian to be a family of releases with a common package = management system and database, rather than just the specific Debian = GNU/Linux, then doesn't a distribution like Ubuntu = (http://www.ubuntulinux.org) count as having commercial support (e.g., = see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/paidsupport and = http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/marketplace)? Regards -- Bhaskar --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] On Linux distributions (was Re: How do I start?)
The only difference of doing RedHat and/or SuSE vs. Debian or (insert another non-commercial distribution name here) is the commercial enterprise support offered. As Mark said, Linux is the kernel, the kernel is Linux. Distributions are the icing on top of the cake in my honest opinion. With that said, there are quite a few folks on the HHs list that have tried Debian and RedHat variants. Depending on the end game plan, most will work for small and large implementations quite well. It is if you have the Linux system administrator(s) to handle said implementation that becomes the question. FWIW. --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company 368 South McCaslin Boulevard P.M.B. 146 Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com Quoting Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:34:31 -0400 From: Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I start? To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Reply-To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net I am running Debian, and I am very happy with it and loath to change, being comfortable with it, but since he is just starting out and looking at supporting 40,000,000, maybe something with an Enterprise version would be a good thing for him to look at. If I were from RedHat or Novell and happened to be reading this list, I would be writing him a nice email offering him a free eval copy of the Enterprise version right now! On Wednesday 25 May 2005 11:53 am, Nancy Anthracite wrote: First, do you have anything you are in love with on your Fedora 2 machine? If no, why not start by getting yourself an up to date version of Linux version. Rat Hat and Suse have Enterprise versions. It have been thinking that might be nice to my feet wet with one of those that a hospital or perhaps a practice installing VistA-Office might like to use for that reason as it will have support guaranteed to be available. Red Hats non-enterprise offspring is Fedora, as you know, and tends to be a bit bleeding edge as others more than me have said. (One with a name beginning with a B comes to mind, and my son as well.) Then there is Suse, and I would like to have someone comment on Suse as you can download it for bargain use vs. the Enterprise version. Also, maybe some know about the quality and depth of the support available to a large enterprise for the other distros. On Wednesday 25 May 2005 10:27 am, Alberto Odor wrote: Well, I'm decided to give OpenVistA as much time as I can. I downloaded a lot of stuff yesterday like: 1. OpenVistA VIVA FOIA Gold 20050212.iso 2. OpenVistA SemiVIVA FOIA Gold 20050212.tar.gz 3. GT.MAcculturation0.3.iso I have a Linux Server with Fedora2 I can use as I only use it for testing. (Linux is not my strong point) I also have a Windows Server and a couple of PCs with WindowsXP I can use. If you would like to have a DEMO site, how would you start? Please elaborate as much as you want to ;) Once I have a Demo site, I plan to try and make an installation from the VA files on GT.M. (I also have Cache's demo disk - one user version). Thanks, Alberto Odor, MD Mexico City --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: On Linux distributions (was Re: How do I start?)
Just a simple analogy. I will admit, the Linux kernel by itself would make things interesting even from a console point of view (to put it very mildly). Have to love modular design though, so I want a simple cake with icing, or shall we go for the quad layer with the works? ;-) --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company 368 South McCaslin Boulevard P.M.B. 146 Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 11:33 -0700, Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that might be a LITTLE strong. For example, X11 isn't party of the kernel, nor is bash, little things like mv, cp, tar, etc., etc. (much less libraries like libc). Does that mean that these things are all icing on the cake? --- Crawford Rainwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only difference of doing RedHat and/or SuSE vs. Debian or (insert another non-commercial distribution name here) is the commercial enterprise support offered. As Mark said, Linux is the kernel, the kernel is Linux. Distributions are the icing on top of the cake in my honest opinion. With that said, there are quite a few folks on the HHs list that have tried Debian and RedHat variants. Depending on the end game plan, most will work for small and large implementations quite well. It is if you have the Linux system administrator(s) to handle said implementation that becomes the question. FWIW. --- Crawford --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Fwd: TeamSpeak at the WorldVistA Meeting
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 12:18 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:22:36 -0400 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Fwd: TeamSpeak at the WorldVistA Meeting Reply-To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net I connected but the audio was a bit too low. I could only understand one or two people/presenters. Also there was some low pulsing noise that started driving me crazy after a few minutes. Perhaps they could increase the mic level. I use Teamspeak and Ventrillo for online gaming and usually their pretty good. I can record to MP3 if we have permission to do so and use the material later. Dan: What is your connection settings there? Been trying to connect (using the Linux client, first time here with this) with no luck. TIA. --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] For those wanting Linux assistance in Boston
Folks: Since I am unable to attend or have any of Linux ETC's staff at present, I will make myself available via remote at times during the Boston WV meeting. Please keep in mind there is a two hour time difference between Denver and Boston though I am typically up and going around 8AM Mountain Time in the office. For those who are inquiring about larger Linux oriented projects and implementations (VistA or otherwise), feel free to email me your requests directly. I might have you speak with Brian Lord on the side as well if need be while he is present at the meeting. Nancy and I have talked about using one or two means to remotely connect and conference in some during the meeting. We shall see how that works. Sincerely, Crawford Rainwater CEO and President Linux+, LCP, LPIC-1, RHCT -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] OT: FS APC laptop case and power supply
Folks: Linux ETC has four (possibly five) APC TPC1300B laptop cases with the universal power supply (URLs below). Great little toy, save APC is discontinuing the cases (not the power supplies though). The power supply can be used on planes, cars, and regular AC outlets. APC also makes an international plug kit (P/N: INPA2 or 3 depending on 2 or 3 plug units) with is compatible with this power supply to. TPC1300B URL http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=TPC1300B Power supply that is included URL: http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=TPA90DC Price is $99.00 + S/H (+ tax for any CO residents), normal MSRP is $129.95. Email directly if you have any questions or are interested. First come, first served. TIA. --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: On apt and yum (was Re: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup)
Comments below: Note, do the yum installation first, then k3b for this. On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 20:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Crawford, where were you when I was giving Kevin all that bad advice? ;-) Been a little busy. As far as I know you can go ahead and stop the download by stopping the process and then run apt-get update and apt-get install (which should update apt if it needs it also) and if it doesn't finish off k3b, you can always do apt-get install k3b again. From the http://www.k3b.org site. Red Hat 9 users should add the following lines to the configuration files: * yum - /etc/yum.conf [xcyb-stable] name=Red Hat Linux 9 ( xcyborg / stable ) baseurl=http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9/stable/ [xcyb-bleeding] name=Red Hat Linux 9 ( xcyborg / bleeding ) baseurl=http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9/bleeding/ Crawford, can he apt-get install Yum? Download the following for RH 9.0's yum: http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/9/yum/yum-2.0.4-1.rh.fr.i386.rpm Then as root: # rpm -ivh yum.xxx.xxx.rpm A little easier than trying to apt-get it. --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] On apt and yum (was Re: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup)
Kevin (and others): On the topic of apt vs. yum my thoughts and experiences here: apt is originally meant for Debian based systems or dpkg's. Synaptic is the GUI for apt, and I highly recommend NOT using it from personal experience and others' experiences. Most of the time, it crashes, so the good old command line works wonders here. yum is YellowDog Update Manager. YellowDog is RH for PPC's, hence it is more tuned to rpm's. It is very much like apt as well, but again, it is designed specifically for rpm's to be used on RH, Fedora, CentOS, and YellowDog. Kevin, install yum on the RH box and point it to the RH 9.0 repositories. Mark mentioned that in a prior post on this thread. From there, use yum as root, take it from there. --- Crawford Linux+, LCP, LPIC-1, RHCT -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: (NEWS)EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 10:24 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,261733,39184795,00.htm Large enterprises should not use Linux because it is not secure enough, has scalability problems and could fork into many different flavours, according to the Agility Alliance, which includes IT heavyweights EDS, Fuji Xerox, Cisco, Microsoft, Sun, Dell and EMC. (more) rant Hmmm, consider that Microsoft is involved in a study that is finding its results against Linux...can we say perhaps slightly biased!?! Throw in Sun with Solaris, though they are moving towards Open Source avenues recently... EMC is oriented to UNIX and M$ based... Dell...well, they only resell with M$ on board... EDS as consultants...oops, that is a contradiction I think. ;-) /rant FWIW. --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup
On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 19:52 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crawford, Great to hear from you. Hadn't seen you post in awhile. Will you be at the Boston conf.? At this time I have other obligations to attend to, so I will not be at the Boston WV meeting. Thanks for your suggestions below. The one issue about scp'ing the data, though, is that I would have to have an scp server running on the windows box. I don't know how to set that up. I have downloaded a program for windows, pscp that can pull the data from the linux box when run on the windows box. It would be nice to be able to push it though. scp (and sftp) are part of the ssh package with Linux. However, I am not sure if the M$ world is nice enough to include all of those. The scp option would be most likely the simplest for file transfer of backup archives from two different machines. However, as per Bhaskar, there is still the point of the data being accessed by Gt.M/VistA while this is being done which should be addressed as well (and goes beyond my realm since I tend to pass those fun questions off to others at this point). Bacula though would be a similar option to the scp option above, sounds like it would work cross platforms as well for the sending and receiving machines, but their web site might have more details. HTH. --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: 2005 Windows Mobile Application Contest Submit applications for Windows Mobile(tm)-based Pocket PCs or Smartphones for the chance to win $25,000 and application distribution. Enter today at http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6882alloc_id=15148op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup
Comments below. On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 15:36 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Install Services for Linux (SFU) put out by Windows onto our Windows server. ...snipped... Linux + NTFS is experimental at best still. Do not know much about the SFU deal from M$, but would not put too much trust in it for my obvious prejudices. ;-) 2. Run a Samba server on my linux box. ...snipped... Samba on the Linux box will allow the M$ boxes to see and mount it as a share potentially. Possible idea, not the greatest though. 3. Run a Samba client on my linux box. ...snipped... If you are using RH (or one of the Fedora or CentOS forks), there are some built in RH specific tools for Samba (redhat-config-samba for RH). Not too hard using them. Otherwise, there are a few HOW-To's on the Samba subject. 4. Get scp to work on my Windows server, and scp the needed data up. ...snipped... This is actually one of the easier solutions you have presented so far that could run unattended potentially. scp is part of the SSH package typically (along with sftp). This would be one of your easiest solutions. Tarball (with gz or bz2 compression depending on the amount of data you wish to back up), scp the tarball to remote backup location directory. You can make a simple script and cron job to do this on a regular basis. 5. Install a DVD writer on my linux box. ...snipped... There is k3b which also noted by Bhaskar is freeware. Nice tool overall once you get the DVD up and running, can handle CD and DVD burning. At issue, you will be starting a large DVD collection potentially in time. 6. Purchase and install tape backup system for the linux box. This may well be a great options, but I have no experience with this. Old school, but possible via Amanda, And finally...another Linux based solution presented is Bacula. I personally have not played with it (yet), but one of my guys is using it for one of our clients on a regular basis. This is a better or more modern idea than Amanda, allows for secure file transfer to a remote machine, and such. http://www.bacula.org/ for their web site, and yes...it is cross platformed as well. Pardon the delay in responding, but involved with a training deal over the past weekend. --- Crawford Linux+, LCP, LPIC-1, RHCT -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: Internet conference trial run, 10 Dec
I was not expecting a take 2 on this yet, but we can discuss options from the prior run during the phone conference this morning. Also, we are having the T1 serviced this morning, so I will be offline possibly for a while (new router getting installed). --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Internet conference trial run, 10 Dec
For those who have been participating in the VistA Vendor/Open-Source conference calls on Fridays, we have been discussing alternative means and methods for collaborations via the internet. The idea behind this is for those who cannot attend VistA Development oriented meetings but wish to contribute to some degree can do so via remote on the internet. Friday, 10 December, 12noon EST, we will be attempting to use Yahoo Messenger features and Yahoo Groups for one of these trial runs (at the same time). For those with Yahoo Messenger (http://messenger.yahoo.com) please email me directly your Yahoo ID and I will invite you to two methods via this route, Private Chat Rooms and Conferences. For those behind firewalls (VA or otherwise) with instant messaging services blocked, there is also the Chat feature in the Vista-Open-Source (formerly known as VistA-Vendors) Yahoo Group as well, which simulates a Chat Room via a web browser and Java (be sure to enable Java and JavaScript features for this on your browser). Again, this is a trial run to see can be and cannot be done. For those not part of the VistA-Open-Source Yahoo Group, please request to join at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vista-open-source and one of the moderators or owners will grant access. For those with web cameras and microphones, I know the M$ Windows versions of Yahoo Messenger will allow the use of these, though it is one at a time situation for the voice portions, and the web cameras will take quite a bit of system resources and bandwidth. The current Linux version of Yahoo Messenger does not. For GAIM (GNU AOL Instant Messenger, http://gaim.sourceforge.net) users I am not sure of at this point in regards to voice and web camera services (rumor for future versions to include these features are out there though). The conference call will also be done at the same time as well so that those that cannot use any of the above three methods can follow along. The number for that is (866) 639-4718, access code 9185610 (courtesy of HP). Any questions or comments, feel free to post to the list, though I will admit I receive this in digest form, so pardon my delays in responding. --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] (Linux ETC) Upcoming Linux training classes before and after VistA Community Meeting
With the results from the Seattle, WA VistA Community Meeting of the need for some basic Linux training, including base installation, I would like for this information to be passed on to anyone who is not on the various VistA Community email lists. The Linux ETC Company will be hosting our Linux Fundamentals (LNX-100) a nd a General Linux 1, LPI-101 prep (LPI-101) courses before and after the upcoming VistA Community Meeting in the Baltimore, MD area (final training site will be announced upon confirmation of enrollment). The dates are as follows: 18 to 20 October, Linux Fundamentals (3 days), $875/person 25 to 29 October, General Linux 1/LPI-101 prep (5 days), $1745/person The costs are discounted for all members and attendees of the VistA Community Meeting, so please note this when requesting enrollment for one of the above courses. For more details, please visit our comanys web site (http://www.linux-etc.biz) under the Education - Courses (for LNX-100) and Certification (for LPI-101) sections for more details of the courses, including downloadable PDF brochures. Feel free to RSVP a spot for the upcoming classes since space is limited. Also feel free to email me directly with any questions about the courses. Sincerely, Crawford Rainwater CEO and President Linux+, LCP, LPIC-1, RHCT -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Succeeding With Open Source
As a prelude to Bhaskar's tentative panel discussion on Open Source and VistA at the upcoming VistA Community Meeting, I came across this posting to Slashdot today: http://books.slashdot.org/books/04/09/17/209217.shtml?tid=187tid=117tid=163tid=6 (Pardon any word wrapping there.) That article talks about a recently published book titled Succeeding with Open Source by Bernard Golden. There is another review on Amazon.com as well which is quite informative for those wondering about using Open Source models in business and practice. --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Detecting ethernet card
For RedHat/Fedora, the redhat-config-network (TUI or GUI) will assist in a nice(r) way on changing network cards and configurations. This is assuming the module is there as well, if not, it will ask for some CDs I suspect and do some kernel mods. A latest release of Knoppix (v3.6 presently) will assist 95% of the time with most hardware (bleeding edge excluded here) for the proper driver module as an alternative method. In general (distribution neutral) using lspci to find the chipset, then doing a kernel compile with that module (if available) will generally do the trick if the initial installation does not auto-detect the hardware. Most common distros out there (e.g., Debian, Redhat/Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake...) will do this more or less. Most network cards that are Intel or RealTek chipset based will fly with Linux. If you want to find others, break open a 2.4.24+ or 2.6.x kernel with make config (TUI for sadists method), make menuconfig (nicer TUI method), make xconfig (GUI method) to find others. Personally, I prefer the Intel chipsets myself. --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 13. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] hostname error (Linux guru needed)
From: Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] hostname error (Linux guru needed) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:50:51 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How would you do it from an SSH command line without the GUI tool? Also, there is a way to start the SSH session so you can use the GUI tool with SSH, correct? redhat-config-network-tui as root will do the same thing via command line or via ssh terminal in RedHat 9.0+ versions. The TUI version looks and feels like the GUI version. --- Crawford This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
X through SSH (was Re: [Hardhats-members] hostname error (Linux guru needed))
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 10:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 6 From: Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] hostname error (Linux guru needed) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:04:31 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you know how you can get the GUI version to run on SSH? My son set up our machines so that happens, but I have no idea how. It may be a Fedora Core 2 feature or a feature of the new kernel? I can use the command for any program that is GUI on the machine I am SSHing in with to one of our other machines, and the GUI will come right up. It is like mini VNC, and MAGIC. Per memory, I believe is would be ssh -X to establish an X forwarded session from a remote machine to your local machine. However, as I mentioned before, the TUI version of that redhat-config-network is virtually the same as the GUI version, just no mouse, point-n-click action (tabs and enter instead). --- Crawford -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Local loopback (was RE: [Hardhats-members] hostname error (Linux guru needed))
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 10:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 7 From: Marc Aylesworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:10:31 -0400 Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] hostname error (Linux guru needed) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the top put 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost and leave the kdtop line alone this might help=20 Actually, the above line is needed in Linux. This is the local loopback address since Linux is natively a networking operation system. Taking this out will cause issues. Sorry, forgot to mention that part earlier. --- Craford -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] (Greenbelt, MD meeting) Regarding hotel arrangements
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 17:50, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: I am planning on attending the conference. I would like to start making arrangements. I notice on the WorldVistA site that the dates October 21-24 are tentative dates. Are these firm now? Is anyone else wanting to try to get a block of rooms? Is the site definate? I.e. can I reserve at the Marriott mentioned below and be safe I won't be at the wrong time/place etc? Maury said he would be looking into the Marriott's block deal, so details are TBD. There is tentatively (though I am awaiting the information myself) another VistA Vendors phone conference on Friday as well in which the upcoming VistA Community Meeting has been the primary topic of discussion. If you can hold off until after this phone conference I believe some more details will be told. (If not, go after Maury! ;-) ) --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] (Linux ETC) CORRECTED: Upcoming Linux training classes before and after VistA Community Meeting
(Thanks Greg for pointing out the typo with the month!) With the results from the Seattle, WA VistA Community Meeting of the need for some basic Linux training, including base installation, I would like for this information to be passed on to anyone who is not on the various VistA Community email lists. The Linux ETC Company will be hosting our Linux Fundamentals (LNX-100) and a General Linux 1, LPI-101 prep (LPI-101) courses before and after the upcoming VistA Community Meeting in the Baltimore, MD area (final training site will be announced upon confirmation of enrollment). The dates are as follows: 18 to 20 October, Linux Fundamentals (3 days), $875/person 25 to 29 October, General Linux 1/LPI-101 prep (5 days), $1745/person The costs are discounted for all members and attendees of the VistA Community Meeting, so please note this when requesting enrollment for one of the above courses. For more details, please visit our comany's web site (http://www.linux-etc.biz) under the Education - Courses (for LNX-100) and Certification (for LPI-101) sections for more details of the courses, including downloadable PDF brochures. Feel free to RSVP a spot for the upcoming classes since space is limited. Also feel free to email me directly with any questions about the courses. Sincerely, Crawford Rainwater CEO and President Linux+, LCP, LPIC-1, RHCT -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
