Re: [Hardhats-members] Forth (was Linux question: Redhat 9 vs. Fedora 3?)

[Steve Wagner]

Another wonderful FORTH book (by Leo Brodie, author of Starting FORTH) 
is "Thinking FORTH: A Language and Philosophy for Solving Problems". 
Absolutely the best stuff I've ever read about refactoring! Very 
"object-oriented" before it's time.

Steve Wagner
On Dec 14, 2004, at 8:36 AM, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
I remember Forth was very popular when I was in school. All the
students (except me, unfortunately) seemed to be reading a book called
"Starting Forth".
--- "Beza, Fil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I got into FORTH when I was in Tucson Arizona.  All the software that
controlled the instruments at the observatory were written in FORTH.
-Original Message-
From: Bhaskar, K.S.
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Bhaskar, K.S.
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Forth (was Linux question: Redhat 9
vs.
Fedora 3?)
Yes, Forth is neat in it's own way, just as M is - byte for byte,
probably the most compact code generated by any high level language.
Much of the operating software on board the Hubble Space Telescope is
in
Forth.
I used to manage the development group of a product called Asyst,
which
was Forth with a lot of engineering, scientific and mathematical
software layered on top (supposedly the first Fast Fourier Transform
on
a PC).
-- Bhaskar
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Fil
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Fedora 3?
I liked all the RPN HP calculators I've ever owned.  I programmed in
FORTH for a short time and it was all RPN
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Re: [Hardhats-members] MUMPS for Mac OS X?

[Steve Wagner]

I haven't looked very hard at the page below, but its title suggests  
that you CAN install MUMPS on Mac OS X.

http://www.cs.uni.edu/~okane/source/INSTALL_OS_X
This seems to  be a frequently update archive--I successfully  
downloaded this file dated Nov 26:

http://www.cs.uni.edu/~okane/source/mumpscompiler-8.00m.src.tar.gz
Can anybody comment? If nobody has tried, I may give it a shot.
Is VistA possible once MUMPS is there?
Steve Wagner
On Dec 1, 2004, at 8:46 AM, Link, Chuck M wrote:
I've been awaiting an M for OS X also.  Having been talking to a  
couple of the IS folks, it sounds like Cache for OS X really will  
happen soon.  I'm also looking to try M and CPRS via Virtual PC on my  
G4 laptop.  (I've caught hell at previous meetings for lugging three  
laptops around.)

Sounds like a new sub-group of the VistA Community is brewing.  :-)
Just one of the beauties of OS X is that very nice development tools  
are included in the price of admission.  There's nothing extra to buy  
to create Mac apps.  (They're taken from the NeXT, which was damn  
sweet to develop on.)  Maybe we could come up with a client object for  
the Kernel Broker that could be used with OS X's Interface Builder.   
I'm looking forward to Cache for OS X, but it really isn't needed to  
do client-side development for OS X, or any OS, is it?.

Chuck

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OS X support has been promised for Cache v5.1 since September of last  
year.

According to Intersystem's listing of Cache v5.1 Planned Features
(http://www.intersystems.com/cache/technology/cache51/features/ 
index.html) ,
v5.1 support for OS X will be limited to a "deployment platform"  
(presumably
a runtime version), and not a full-blown development configuration.  
Yet.

More information may be available at Intersystem's Mac OS X Q&A Page
(http://www.intersystems.com/cache/technology/macqa.html) .
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On 11/30/04 6:38 PM, "Robert M. Witkop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Greg,
Version 5.1 of Cache is currently being tested, but it won't be out
before the first quarter 2005. I have been testing an earlier  
version of
5.1 on Linux, and I like it.

Bob
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 15:47, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
Has anyone installed GTM, Cache, or some other variant under OS X? I
would especially be interested in running VistA (or at least the
infrastructure packages) on my PowerBook G4. Any pointers?
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Simple FileMan listings?

[Steve Wagner]

Jim:
I'm very interested in exploring the m2web stuff; unfortunately I've  
been concentrating on the Windows (cache) Vista because:

it's somewhat easier to get up and running on the average student's PC
I need to work with CPRS and I don't have two machines or VMWARE
I've been fighting some Linux configuration problems on my machine
but I will get to it. In the meantime, I think your installation needs  
tweaking--I get a 404 not found from your latest URL and this from the  
m2web page:

Please send this report to VMTH:Computer Services, immediately.
M2Web Error (2nd level) --> 150375378,init+3^htCGI1,%GTM-E-DBFILOPERR,  
Error doing database I/O to region  
/home/vista/2.01/g/mumps.dat,%SYSTEM-E-ENO5, Input/output error

Steve
On Nov 10, 2004, at 3:34 PM, Jim Self wrote:
Steve,
If you add M2Web to your VistA installation, you will have many  
additional options for
viewing the database and database definitions - in your web browser. I  
uploaded some
screenshots that illustrate a number of them of them at
http://birch.vmth.ucdavis.edu:8080/m2web/doc/m2web-snapshots/

Of particular interest, at least to me ;), is the javascript object  
representation of the
database definitions and data that can be used by Mozilla (and other  
web browsers) to
provide very quick and highly interactive client-side manipulation and  
presentation of
data formats and queries and...

I will be adding descriptions for the various screenshots, as soon as  
I can get to it.
Meanwhile, I will be glad to answer questions via email. Incidently,  
that would help me to
understand what features need the most explanation.

Jim
---
Steve Wagner wrote:
Ah! There is a "file of files." That's what I was looking for.
Thanks David!
Anybody know where this is discussed in the documentation?
I also note that I can get the fields for a file in this way:
FM-->Print File Entries
Output From What File: PATIENT//
SORT BY: NAME// ??
   Choose from:
   .01 NAME
   .02 SEX
   .03     DATE OF BIRTH
   .033AGE
   ...
Steve Wagner
On Nov 10, 2004, at 10:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Two questions:
1. What is the best way to print a listing of files in the Vista
database, including number of records in each, and sorted in
descending
order by # of records?  Such as:
File Number  File Name   # Records
-- ---   --
...
xxx Patient  1
...
01   New Person 1002
...

Something like this?
SORT BY: NAME// -ENTRIES
START WITH ENTRIES: FIRST//
  WITHIN ENTRIES, SORT BY:
FIRST PRINT ATTRIBUTE: NUMBER
THEN PRINT ATTRIBUTE: NAME;C15
THEN PRINT ATTRIBUTE: ENTRIES
THEN PRINT ATTRIBUTE:
Heading (S/C): FILE LIST//
STORE PRINT LOGIC IN TEMPLATE:
DEVICE:   GENERIC TELNET TERMINALRight Margin: 80//
...EXCUSE ME, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN...
FILE LIST  NOV 10,2004  11:58
PAGE 1
NUMBERNAME   ENTRIES
- 
--
-

100   ORDER  20520870
433   AR TRANSACTION 19073425
120.5 GMRV VITAL MEASUREMENT 15977800
910.18V CPT  15593974
409.68OUTPATIENT ENCOUNTER   15236048
910   VISIT  11800216
910.06V PROVIDER  9979266
53.79 BCMA MEDICATION LOG 9868102
8925  TIU DOCUMENT9145751
910.07V POV   8742690
...
I'd also like to be able to do a simple list of fields within a file
(not an inquiry).

Select OPTION: DATA DICTIONARY UTILITIES
Select DATA DICTIONARY UTILITY OPTION: LIST FILE ATTRIBUTES
 START WITH WHAT FILE: FILE//
  GO TO WHAT FILE: FILE//
  Select SUB-FILE:
Select LISTING FORMAT: STANDARD// CONDENSED
DEVICE:   GENERIC TELNET TERMINALRight Margin: 80//
CONDENSED DATA DICTIONARY---277 FILE (#1)  UCI: TESTING ACCOUNT
VERSION:22.0
STORED IN: ^DIC(  11/10/04
PAGE 1
- 
--
-

  FILE SECURITY
   DD SECURITY: ^ DELETE
SECURITY:
   READ SECURITY  : ^ LAYGO
SECURITY : ^
   WRITE SECURITY : ^
CROSS REFERENCED BY:
  APPLICATION GROUP(AC)  NAME(AD)  NAME(AE)  NAME(B)
 FILE STRUCTURE
FIELD FIELD
NUMBERNAME
.001  NUMBER (N), [ ]
.01   NAME (RF), [

Re: [Hardhats-members] Simple FileMan listings?

[Steve Wagner]

Ah! There is a "file of files." That's what I was looking for.
Thanks David!
Anybody know where this is discussed in the documentation?
I also note that I can get the fields for a file in this way:
FM-->Print File Entries
Output From What File: PATIENT//
SORT BY: NAME// ??
Choose from:
.01 NAME
.02 SEX
.03 DATE OF BIRTH
.033    AGE
    ...
Steve Wagner
On Nov 10, 2004, at 10:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Two questions:
1. What is the best way to print a listing of files in the Vista
database, including number of records in each, and sorted in  
descending
order by # of records?  Such as:

File Number File Name   # Records
-- ---   --
...
xxx Patient  1
...
01   New Person 1002
...

Something like this?
SORT BY: NAME// -ENTRIES
START WITH ENTRIES: FIRST//
  WITHIN ENTRIES, SORT BY:
FIRST PRINT ATTRIBUTE: NUMBER
THEN PRINT ATTRIBUTE: NAME;C15
THEN PRINT ATTRIBUTE: ENTRIES
THEN PRINT ATTRIBUTE:
Heading (S/C): FILE LIST//
STORE PRINT LOGIC IN TEMPLATE:
DEVICE:   GENERIC TELNET TERMINALRight Margin: 80//
...EXCUSE ME, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN...
FILE LIST  NOV 10,2004  11:58 
PAGE 1
NUMBERNAME   ENTRIES
--- 
-

100   ORDER  20520870
433   AR TRANSACTION 19073425
120.5 GMRV VITAL MEASUREMENT 15977800
910.18V CPT  15593974
409.68OUTPATIENT ENCOUNTER   15236048
910   VISIT  11800216
910.06V PROVIDER  9979266
53.79 BCMA MEDICATION LOG 9868102
8925  TIU DOCUMENT9145751
910.07V POV   8742690
...
I'd also like to be able to do a simple list of fields within a file
(not an inquiry).

Select OPTION: DATA DICTIONARY UTILITIES
Select DATA DICTIONARY UTILITY OPTION: LIST FILE ATTRIBUTES
 START WITH WHAT FILE: FILE//
  GO TO WHAT FILE: FILE//
  Select SUB-FILE:
Select LISTING FORMAT: STANDARD// CONDENSED
DEVICE:   GENERIC TELNET TERMINALRight Margin: 80//
CONDENSED DATA DICTIONARY---277 FILE (#1)  UCI: TESTING ACCOUNT 
VERSION:22.0
STORED IN: ^DIC(  11/10/04 
PAGE 1
--- 
-

  FILE SECURITY
   DD SECURITY: ^ DELETE  
SECURITY:
   READ SECURITY  : ^ LAYGO  
SECURITY : ^
   WRITE SECURITY : ^
CROSS REFERENCED BY:
  APPLICATION GROUP(AC)  NAME(AD)  NAME(AE)  NAME(B)

 FILE STRUCTURE
FIELD FIELD
NUMBERNAME
.001  NUMBER (N), [ ]
.01   NAME (RF), [0;1]
1 GLOBAL NAME (CJ14), [ ; ]
2. Is #1 something I should be able to find in the Vista documentation
(for FileMan?), and where should I look?
Thanks in advance!
Steve Wagner
I'm afraid I started in FileMan long enough ago that a version 15
programming guide was all that I had to work with (kudos to anyone who  
knows
how much that dates me)
I assume it is in the documentation, and as I recall, classes taught by
Greg Kreis,  Dee Knapp and other trainers cover Files, Data  
Dictionaries,
and these kind of concepts based of File #1 (the File of Files)

Best Wishes,
David Whitten
(713) 870-3834
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[Hardhats-members] Simple FileMan listings?

[Steve Wagner]

Two questions:
1. What is the best way to print a listing of files in the Vista 
database, including number of records in each, and sorted in descending 
order by # of records?  Such as:

File Number File Name   # Records
-- ---   --
...
xxx Patient  1
...
01   New Person 1002
...
I'd also like to be able to do a simple list of fields within a file 
(not an inquiry).

2. Is #1 something I should be able to find in the Vista documentation 
(for FileMan?), and where should I look?

Thanks in advance!
Steve Wagner

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[Hardhats-members] CPRS screencam shown in Greenbelt...

[Steve Wagner]

After the CPRS demo, Joseph Dal Molin also showed a screencam 
demonstrating the integration of imaging with CPRS.

This would be quite useful to us at U. of Washington for demoing to our 
students.

In a search of the web, I located a Vista screencam at:
http://www.msystemsplus.com/vista.htm  (vintage 1997)
I think this may be the same screencam that Joseph ran.
Is there anything newer? Could this be posted to hardhats or 
sourceforge?

Thanks,
Steve Wagner

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Re: [Hardhats-members] What to do on Wednesday

[Steve Wagner]

Kevin:
Check this out (directions to Oleen):
http://www.oleen.com/about/directions.html
Steve Wagner
On Oct 18, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
I will be driving from TN up to Greenbelt Tuesday
night.  My original intent was to attend the
VistA-Office meeting on Wednesday.  But when I look at
the notice on the CMS website, it seems that the
targeted audience is vendors, and drumming up support
for VistA.
Is anyone attending the VistA office meeting?  If not,
should I be the token member from the WorldVistA
community to attent?
On the other hand, if I attend the GT.M acculturation
workshop, can someone tell me more specifically, where
it is located?  If I have an address, I could use
MapQuest.
Thanks
Kevin

You need to come to the GT.M acculturation workshop
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[Hardhats-members] CPRS Demo auto-login rationale/difficulty...

[Steve Wagner]

I've been working with the CPRS demo database, and find it frustrating 
that I am randomly auto-logged in as different doctors each time. I 
should think this is done intentionally, perhaps because we don't want 
to worry about remembering passwords for dummy users? Anyway...

Normally, I would never "give" a demo unless I could carefully 
orchestrate each keystroke and mouseclick beforehand so there are no 
"surprises" in the demo. Auto-login prevents me from practicing for a 
demo and making the demo repeatable.

Is there a way to turn off auto-login so that I can practice on a 
specific flow for my demo?

By the way, it isn't just CPRS that does the auto-login, if I do D ^ZU 
in the terminal, I get auto-logged to a random doc also.

Steve Wagner

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Re: [Hardhats-members] OpenVistA naming contest

[Steve Wagner]

I think Kevin and Blaskar are on the right track, but as I understand 
it, this is a multi-dimensional naming problem:

Linux vs. Windows
if Linux then
Knoppix vs. 'Damn Small Linux' vs. XXX
CPRS Vista vs. FOIA Vista vs. Vista-Office?
Cache' vs. GT.M
bootable vs. installable
if bootable then
target server has CD drive vs. DVD drive
etc???
Sometimes these kinds of variations are encapsulated in a version 
scheme rather than in the name, ie:

opSysVer.VistaVer.BootOrNot.CdOrDvdReq
I'd prefer fun names, but I'm not sure they'd work and I'm not good at 
coming up with them.

When I am looking at my options for installing, I start by looking at 
my potential target machines with available resources, then try to 
figure out what I can manage to install given what is available and/or 
augmentable. It seems like we ought to chose a naming convention that 
makes this easy, even obvious, eh?

Steve Wagner
On Oct 12, 2004, at 2:21 PM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
As per my other post, I would like to see if anyone is
interested in a different naming scheme.
To kick this off,
I propose:
"OpenVistA" for the standard disk that allows one to
put the system onto one's linux system.
and "OpenVistA bootable" for a disk that can be run
directly from the CD with a USB flashdrive.
Also, we would need to put a version number in the
name.  I would think either:
"OpenVistA 2004"
or "OpenVistA v1.0" would be fine.
I would propose that the OpenVistA disk would contain
the install information to install to both Cache' and
GTM.
What do you all think?
Kevin

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[Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...

[Steve Wagner]

I've been following this thread with interest, not because of the 
puzzle of getting CPRS to run with various security schemes in place, 
but because of CS Wagner's (no relation) comment early on that:

	 "...it is my understanding that CPRS does not allow you to add 
patients..."

It seems like what to do after installation and before CPRS  is my 
problem, just as appears to be CS Wagner's problem.

I've successfully installed the Cache Vista thanks to the very nice 
Hardhats installation instructions, but now am at a complete loss 
because I don't know what to do next. I finally got it that I needed to 
add some users with appropriate menu privileges so that I could start 
using the subsystems, but where do I start?

In other words, it seems like the installation instructions or the 
getting started documentation or the original cache.dat ought to 
provide a little bit more in terms of basic configuration stuff, or am 
I missing something obvious?

If I want to start entering patients after installation, what are steps 
A, B, C to be able to do that?

A demo database would be nice--I've seen some stuff on the web authored 
by Rick Marshall about the Whoville scrambled database project, but it 
doesn't appear to be in existence yet. I've been in touch with my local 
VA folks (Seattle) to find out if they had any de-identified data I 
could start with but they don't. We are trying to get hold of the dummy 
data used in the VA's CPRS demo in hopes of using that as a starting 
point (as crude as it is). Does anybody out there have such an animal? 
I'll be forever grateful for some Whoville or other data, no matter 
from what type of facility.

Please point me in the right direction, especially if I'm missing 
something obvious!

Very newbie Vista-er.

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