[Hardhats-members] Towards a "shrink-wrapped" VistA

2005-03-29 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
With the recent interest on this board of several
newcomers in getting VistA, I am again brought to the
point that WE REALLY NEED TO GET THE INSTALL PROCESS
EASIER.

Sorry about the shouting, but we have some
knowledgable people on this board, and it seems that
nothing is really being done to solve this problem. 

Unless we can significantly make this easier, only the
very brave and persistent will get it working.

It seems to me, that during the low-level installation
process, that the only thing a new user really needs
to change is the machine name.  Why can't we make sit
down at the next conference and complete a basic
config on a system.  We could use generic names for
installation institution etc etc.  Then use this to
create our CD-ROM/DVD that is distributed. Then write
a short program that would change the stored name of
the linux box to match the current user's system.

This would get a user up and running.  Then, using the
menu system, they could go back and edit institution
names, add new users, etc, etc.  But it would be a
WORKING system early on.

I would really like to make significant progress on
this by the end of the Boston conference.

Let me slightly change topics here for a minute. 
Bhaskar once made a point to me, that I would like to
consider here.  (I'll add my thoughts here too.) We
have "demos" which show interested people what the
system can do, and then there are full installs.  If a
user is going to use a system in their office, they
either need to pay someone knowledgeable to install &
support their system, or they need to become
knowledgeable themselves.  I.e. if we make the system
extremely easy to install, and it can get itself up in
the air automatically, then suddenly we will have
people flying an airplane, so to speak, that they
really don't know how to control.  And they will
likely crash. I know that I have my system essentially
configured, but it is very helpful that I have learned
how to fix problems with fileman etc.

I think I will still come down on the side of wanting
an install wizard that does all the hard configuration
work, but I'd be interested in other's feedback.

Kevin







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Re: [Hardhats-members] Towards a "shrink-wrapped" VistA

2005-03-29 Thread Mark Street
I was waiting for someone who has been here a bit longer than I to say 
something like this.

I am swamped at work right now but I am taking 5 days off.  I have mirrored 
hardhats, Kevin's Config stuff from his IP and kdtop websites onto my laptop.  
I plan on scratching out basic configuration steps as outlined in Hardhats 
and I hope to ask for clarification and order on some of the steps.

I like the idea of an installation script that prompts the user for essential 
information, and takes care of the gory details under the covers.  I plan to 
give the Kevin's configuraiton script another go now that I have 3 servers to 
play with.

On Tuesday 29 March 2005 10:58, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> With the recent interest on this board of several
> newcomers in getting VistA, I am again brought to the
> point that WE REALLY NEED TO GET THE INSTALL PROCESS
> EASIER.
>
> Sorry about the shouting, but we have some
> knowledgable people on this board, and it seems that
> nothing is really being done to solve this problem.
>
> Unless we can significantly make this easier, only the
> very brave and persistent will get it working.
>
> It seems to me, that during the low-level installation
> process, that the only thing a new user really needs
> to change is the machine name.  Why can't we make sit
> down at the next conference and complete a basic
> config on a system.  We could use generic names for
> installation institution etc etc.  Then use this to
> create our CD-ROM/DVD that is distributed. Then write
> a short program that would change the stored name of
> the linux box to match the current user's system.
>
> This would get a user up and running.  Then, using the
> menu system, they could go back and edit institution
> names, add new users, etc, etc.  But it would be a
> WORKING system early on.
>
> I would really like to make significant progress on
> this by the end of the Boston conference.
>
> Let me slightly change topics here for a minute.
> Bhaskar once made a point to me, that I would like to
> consider here.  (I'll add my thoughts here too.) We
> have "demos" which show interested people what the
> system can do, and then there are full installs.  If a
> user is going to use a system in their office, they
> either need to pay someone knowledgeable to install &
> support their system, or they need to become
> knowledgeable themselves.  I.e. if we make the system
> extremely easy to install, and it can get itself up in
> the air automatically, then suddenly we will have
> people flying an airplane, so to speak, that they
> really don't know how to control.  And they will
> likely crash. I know that I have my system essentially
> configured, but it is very helpful that I have learned
> how to fix problems with fileman etc.
>
> I think I will still come down on the side of wanting
> an install wizard that does all the hard configuration
> work, but I'd be interested in other's feedback.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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