RE: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux Misus e
I'm not a lawyer but the way I read it is if you modify a program with the GPL then the program has to also be licensed under the GPL. The only way to get around this seems if you have modular code the only thing that has to be GPLed is the module that has the original program in it. Thanks Marc Aylesworth C3I Associates AFRL/IFSE Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team 525 Brooks Rd Rome, NY 13441-4505 Tel:315.330.2422 Fax:315.330.7009 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:21 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux Misuse Does GPL require that they provide they enhancements they made, or just the source code of what they started with? If the latter is the case, I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like others can't get their own copy of the source code from SourceForge. Kevin --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5621156.html?tag=nl.e589 > > ... Interesting RE enforcement of the GPL in court. > -- > Nancy Anthracite > > > --- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT > Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. > Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux Misus e
Or use the LGPL --- Aylesworth Marc A Contr AFRL/IFSE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not a lawyer but the way I read it is if you modify a program > with the > GPL then the program has to also be licensed under the GPL. The only > way to > get around this seems if you have modular code the only thing that > has to be > GPLed is the module that has the original program in it. > > Thanks > > Marc Aylesworth > > C3I Associates > > AFRL/IFSE > > Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team > > 525 Brooks Rd > > Rome, NY 13441-4505 > > Tel:315.330.2422 > > Fax:315.330.7009 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Kevin > Toppenberg > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:21 PM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux > Misuse > > Does GPL require that they provide they enhancements > they made, or just the source code of what they > started with? If the latter is the case, I don't see > what the big deal is. It's not like others can't get > their own copy of the source code from SourceForge. > > Kevin > > --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5621156.html?tag=nl.e589 > > > > ... Interesting RE enforcement of the GPL in court. > > -- > > Nancy Anthracite > > > > > > > --- > > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT > > Products from real users. > > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. > > Start reading now. > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > > ___ > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > --- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real > users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > --- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real > users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux Misus e
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Read the GPL If you modify a program that is licensed under the GPL and then re-distribute or sell that program to a customer or entity you must release the changes made to the source code to the community under the GPL. There is nothing in the GPL that says you can't sell the your version of the program, but you must release your changes to the community. You benefitted from the source code to build your program so the community deserves to benefit from your additions and changes also. And I quote ``Free software'' is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of ``free'' as in ``free speech,'' not as in ``free beer.'' "Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software: * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this." Modules are a different story. Proprietary modules don't neccesarily use or change GPL code or programs, they merely interface with the GPL program indirectly. This happens in the Linux kernel, if a proprietary or closed source module is used ... say for a video card driver, the kernel is said to be 'tainted' by the proprietary driver. Aylesworth Marc A Contr AFRL/IFSE said: > I'm not a lawyer but the way I read it is if you modify a program with > the > GPL then the program has to also be licensed under the GPL. The only way > to > get around this seems if you have modular code the only thing that has to > be > GPLed is the module that has the original program in it. > > Thanks > > Marc Aylesworth > > C3I Associates > > AFRL/IFSE > > Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team > > 525 Brooks Rd > > Rome, NY 13441-4505 > > Tel:315.330.2422 > > Fax:315.330.7009 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin > Toppenberg > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:21 PM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux > Misuse > > Does GPL require that they provide they enhancements > they made, or just the source code of what they > started with? If the latter is the case, I don't see > what the big deal is. It's not like others can't get > their own copy of the source code from SourceForge. > > Kevin > > --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5621156.html?tag=nl.e589 >> >> ... Interesting RE enforcement of the GPL in court. >> -- >> Nancy Anthracite >> >> >> > --- >> SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide >> Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT >> Products from real users. >> Discover which products truly live up to the hype. >> Start reading now. >> > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click >> ___ >> Hardhats-members mailing list >> Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members >> > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > --- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > --- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype.
Re: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux Misus e
My only point to the was that the article title was misleading (no fault of Nancy's). He is not alleging Linux misuse. He is alleging GPL non-compliance. The fact that Linux might be involved is not material to what he is alleging. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux Misus e
Yepits about GPL noncomplianceand fundamentally this is no different than Microsoft or any other EULA non-compliance. Joseph Jim Drash wrote: My only point to the was that the article title was misleading (no fault of Nancy's). He is not alleging Linux misuse. He is alleging GPL non-compliance. The fact that Linux might be involved is not material to what he is alleging. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux Misus e
But if I use a product in a way that is inconsistent with the license, couldn't that be called misuse of the product? I'm not so sure the title was misleading. --- Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yepits about GPL noncomplianceand fundamentally this is no > different than Microsoft or any other EULA non-compliance. > > Joseph > > Jim Drash wrote: > > My only point to the was that the article title was misleading (no > > fault of Nancy's). He is not alleging Linux misuse. He is alleging > > GPL non-compliance. The fact that Linux might be involved is not > > material to what he is alleging. > > > > > > --- > > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real > users. > > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading > now. > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > > ___ > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > . > > > > > --- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real > users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Open Source Programmer Alleges Linux Misus e
The GPL gives you the freedom to use the product in any way that you choose to use it, so you cannot misuse a product licensed under GPL. Proprietary licenses can of course limit your use of a product. From the GPL: "... Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted ..." Indeed you can modify a GPL'd software to your heart's content and not make public a single byte of your enhancements. But if you distribute or publish your enhanced software, then you must make the source code for your enhancements available to the recipient. The GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html or http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt) is well worth a read by anyone involved in free and open source software (if for no other reason than to dispel the clouds of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt spread by organizations that feel threatened by open source). It's only a couple of pages of plain English, free of legalese. -- Bhaskar On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 15:11 -0800, Greg Woodhouse wrote: > But if I use a product in a way that is inconsistent with the license, > couldn't that be called misuse of the product? I'm not so sure the > title was misleading. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
