RE: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
Still catching up with messages... Greg, as I am the only person on this list who makes money off GT.M (since GT.M revenue ultimately pays my salary), it would seem that the only person who can make a sales pitch for GT.M is me. Right now, it is hard for me to understand which postings you are reacting to (and perhaps I have not seen them yet). Does it make sense, whenever you see a posting that makes you uncomfortable, to raise the matteer publicly on the list, with the poster offline, or the moderator (Greg Kreis)? I am sure that all of us want this to be a forum for open technical discussion where everyone feels able to express their views in a professional manner. Regards -- Bhaskar On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 10:27 -0500, Greg Woodhouse wrote: This is not a GT.M list (nor is it a Cache list or MUMPS V1 list). I appreciate that a significant number of list members happen to use GT.M, so it is natural that a GT.M specific questions or threads of discussion will be common on the list. What does make me uncomfortable is postings that have the flavor of a sales pitch for GT.M. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Design quality doesn't ensure success, but design failure can ensure failure. --Kent Beck --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
This is not a GT.M list (nor is it a Cache list or MUMPS V1 list). I appreciate that a significant number of list members happen to use GT.M, so it is natural that a GT.M specific questions or threads of discussion will be common on the list. What does make me uncomfortable is postings that have the flavor of a sales pitch for GT.M. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Design quality doesn't ensure success, but design failure can ensure failure. --Kent Beck --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
I got the same results as Kevin, I could not get to the page. - Original Message - From: Thurman Pedigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List I checked - short, succinct, and useful. I wouldn't mind seeing it posted to this list monthly. thurman I tried the link above twice, and got a bad link error. Kevin On 8/20/05, Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have quantified rules for the list that members are to observe in order to keep this list a productive and orderly place to explore and learn about the technical aspects of VistA (i.e. the infrastructure). Please review them. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
http://www.hardhats.org/mailing_list.html#RULES Still works for me - both click and paste. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Kreis Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:57 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List We have quantified rules for the list that members are to observe in order to keep this list a productive and orderly place to explore and learn about the technical aspects of VistA (i.e. the infrastructure). Please review them. http://www.hardhats.org/mailing_list.html#RULES -- Greg Kreis http://www.PioneerDataSys.com You are today where your thoughts have brought you, you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you. (James Lane Allen) --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
Today the linked worked without any changes to the browser. I do not know why it did not work the other day. - Original Message - From: Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List Is your browser encoding the _ in mailing_list? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five minutes longer. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson On Aug 21, 2005, at 4:11 AM, smcphelan wrote: I got the same results as Kevin, I could not get to the page. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
Is your browser encoding the _ in mailing_list? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five minutes longer. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson On Aug 21, 2005, at 4:11 AM, smcphelan wrote: I got the same results as Kevin, I could not get to the page. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
8. DO NOT spam the list with your advertising message. You will be banned from the list if you do so. If a company has a position open for a VistA knowledgeable person, is placing a job announcement considered SPAM? 12. Do not forward copyrighted material or information you do not have permission to forward, through the list Does placing a link to copyright material require permission similar to some requiring permission to place a link on a web page? --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
Good question. Generally speaking job announcements posted to lists not specifically intended for that purpose are considered spam. I don't know that this is what Greg K. had in mind, it's a matter for us to discuss. For what it's worth, it is common practice to have separate mailing lists or newsgroups set up for just that purpose. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most profound technologies are those that disappear. --Mark Weiser On Aug 21, 2005, at 11:48 AM, smcphelan wrote: 8. DO NOT spam the list with your advertising message. You will be banned from the list if you do so. If a company has a position open for a VistA knowledgeable person, is placing a job announcement considered SPAM? --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
IANAL (I am not a lawyer), but forbidding links to copyrighted material would pretty much rule out linking to ANYTHING. I would say the answer is generally no, and that hyperlinks should, in most cases, be treated as references (e.g., in footnotes or endnotes). === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Without the requirement of mathematical aesthetics a great many discoveries would not have been made. -- Albert Einstein On Aug 21, 2005, at 11:48 AM, smcphelan wrote: 12. Do not forward copyrighted material or information you do not have permission to forward, through the list Does placing a link to copyright material require permission similar to some requiring permission to place a link on a web page? --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
I tried the link above twice, and got a bad link error. But I'm sure it says something like, stay on track and no flame wars. The shoe fits me, so I'll try to wear it. Kevin On 8/20/05, Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have quantified rules for the list that members are to observe in order to keep this list a productive and orderly place to explore and learn about the technical aspects of VistA (i.e. the infrastructure). Please review them. http://www.hardhats.org/mailing_list.html#RULES -- Greg Kreis http://www.PioneerDataSys.com You are today where your thoughts have brought you, you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you. (James Lane Allen) --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Rules for the List
I checked - short, succinct, and useful. I wouldn't mind seeing it posted to this list monthly. thurman I tried the link above twice, and got a bad link error. Kevin On 8/20/05, Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have quantified rules for the list that members are to observe in order to keep this list a productive and orderly place to explore and learn about the technical aspects of VistA (i.e. the infrastructure). Please review them. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
