Re: [H] New MS rule
Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all true, but the fact remains that people who have legally purchased the software are being penalized for being human. I have no problem with the proof of purchase or the $15, Penalty being the proof and the $15. but the time frame is insane. If I fax in the PoP and call with a Visa number, I should have the number within the hour. Agreed. If they need the number, it's most likely they need to reinstall. 4 to 6 weeks will make most upgrade, as you suggested. Seems obvious. regards, Al Smile... it increases your face value.
RE: [H] Auto-FTP program
Use a command line scheduler and built in FTP in command line (cmd) I didn't know I could use scripting with the command line FTP. Cool. As you can transfer a file from one server to another without downloading with no problem, can scripting be used to have an FTP client transfer a file from an HTTP file link to an FTP folder ? Thanks
Re: [H] New MS rule
Does anyone see this as simply a drive to make people to upgrade to XP. And a drive for an easy $15 ;-)
Re: [H] New MS rule
Seriously (and here's where I will get catcalls) this is why I wish MS -did- have a way to force more people to literally upgrade; If you're still running Win98, etc. I'd prefer they almost say sorry, we don't support that product at all anymore You can say oh, that's unfair but call Ford and see if you can get parts for a Pinto. Or Chevy if you can get parts for a 68 whatever; you have to go aftermarket. At a certain point, it's true of all products, software is not the exception to the rule. I've had to replace books because they were tattered (See: Hitchhiker's Guide, Discworld, Dune and numerous others). Call Apple up and see about getting support for Mac System 7 or your Apple Lisa, they'll tell you to jump in a lake. CW -Original message- From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:00:23 -0500 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New MS rule Does anyone see this as simply a drive to make people to upgrade to XP. And a drive for an easy $15 ;-)
Re: [H] New MS rule
Thane Sherrington wrote: But MS doesn't allow aftermarket, so that's not a fair comparison. If all I do is Word Processing and Email, why should I have to upgrade my Pentium 233 to XP (which would require a hardware upgrade as well?) Keeping the auth number generator software costs MS nothing, and the support time is easily covered under by the $15. How can you be sure the support time is really covered by $15? These problems go away of the customer keeps up with their own info...
Re: [H] New MS rule
At 02:38 PM 05/05/2005, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: How can you be sure the support time is really covered by $15? These problems go away of the customer keeps up with their own info... Hmmm... underpaid Indian worker gives fax number to caller - 3 minutes looks at fax - 1 minute Loads keygen program - 30 seconds presses Generate Key - 2 seconds Writes down key number in email or letter to be faxed - 1 minute Sends fax/email - 30 seconds So $15 Cdn for 6 minutes and 2 seconds of work. No bad, even if you were paying a decent salary - but since this guy is making $0.25 Cdn per hour, the income is amazing. T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus]
Re: [H] New MS rule
On 5/5/05, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:38 PM 05/05/2005, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: How can you be sure the support time is really covered by $15? These problems go away of the customer keeps up with their own info... Hmmm... underpaid Indian worker gives fax number to caller - 3 minutes looks at fax - 1 minute Loads keygen program - 30 seconds presses Generate Key - 2 seconds Writes down key number in email or letter to be faxed - 1 minute Sends fax/email - 30 seconds Knowing that job could have belonged to an American - priceless.
Re: [H] New MS rule
Thane Sherrington wrote: At 02:38 PM 05/05/2005, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: How can you be sure the support time is really covered by $15? These problems go away of the customer keeps up with their own info... Hmmm... underpaid Indian worker gives fax number to caller - 3 minutes looks at fax - 1 minute Loads keygen program - 30 seconds presses Generate Key - 2 seconds Writes down key number in email or letter to be faxed - 1 minute Sends fax/email - 30 seconds So $15 Cdn for 6 minutes and 2 seconds of work. No bad, even if you were paying a decent salary - but since this guy is making $0.25 Cdn per hour, the income is amazing. You really think those are all the costs involved? The generated income must pay for *all* costs involved...
Re: [H] New MS rule
At 02:54 PM 05/05/2005, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You really think those are all the costs involved? The generated income must pay for *all* costs involved... Oh Christ, Anthony, you win. MS is losing billions a year on this stuff, I'm sure. T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus]
Re: [H] New MS rule/keys suck
FORC5 wrote: customers should NOT need numbers, KEYS SUCK. and always have IMO :-} I agree.
Re: [H] New MS rule/keys suck
customers should NOT need numbers, KEYS SUCK. and always have IMO :-} At 06:58 AM 5/5/2005, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: Thane Sherrington wrote: This is lovely. The new MS rule on regenerating Auth numbers for people with CDs and lost numbers. You fax in a proof of purchase (must be a receipt) and pay then $15 and if you call the US number, they'll generate the number and call back in FOUR WEEKS! Here in Canada, it's FOUR to SIX weeks! So if you've lost your auth number, you're screwed. Does anyone see this as simply a drive to make people to upgrade to XP. Yes. Also, customers shouldn't lose those numbers. Why don't vendors simply put a sticker on or inside the case with the Auth numbers on them? Then include the CD. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) -- October; When trees change from hirsuties to bald pates.
Re: [H] New MS rule/keys suck
I'm comming into this conversation way late... So are they charging for the KEY or the authentication number?On 5/5/05, Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FORC5 wrote: customers should NOT need numbers, KEYS SUCK. and always have IMO :-} I agree. -- -Franciscohttp://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
Re: [H] New MS rule
OK, I guess I've just missed the point. Can anyone show me a single instance where MS has prosecuted a home user for borrowing a key? -Original message- From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:53:51 -0500 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New MS rule At 02:25 PM 05/05/2005, CW wrote: Seriously (and here's where I will get catcalls) this is why I wish MS -did- have a way to force more people to literally upgrade; If you're still running Win98, etc. I'd prefer they almost say sorry, we don't support that product at all anymore They do for Win95. You can say oh, that's unfair but call Ford and see if you can get parts for a Pinto. Or Chevy if you can get parts for a 68 whatever; you have to go aftermarket. But MS doesn't allow aftermarket, so that's not a fair comparison. If all I do is Word Processing and Email, why should I have to upgrade my Pentium 233 to XP (which would require a hardware upgrade as well?) Keeping the auth number generator software costs MS nothing, and the support time is easily covered under by the $15. If MS doesn't want to support their products, they should release them into the public domain. At a certain point, it's true of all products, software is not the exception to the rule. I've had to replace books because they were tattered (See: Hitchhiker's Guide, Discworld, Dune and numerous others). I don't think your analogy holds - this is more like losing the front cover of a book, and being forced to buy a new copy if you want to read it again. They still have the CD. T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus]
Re: [H] New MS rule/keys suck
- Original Message - From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [H] New MS rule/keys suck Yes. Also, customers shouldn't lose those numbers. Why don't vendors simply put a sticker on or inside the case withthe Auth numbers on them? Then include the CD. The Windows XP Home OEM kits I use as a computer manufacturer include a laminated COA sticker that I am required to affix to the computer. The text is small, but very difficult to accidently erase. If you pull your computer from the bottom of a lake and the text is smeared, well, you need a new computer anyway. Chuck
RE: [H] New MS rule
(note: this is for Windows98 only, and applies for initially legally valid copies) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CW Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:59 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] New MS rule OK, I guess I've just missed the point. Can anyone show me a single instance where MS has prosecuted a home user for borrowing a key? -Original message- From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:53:51 -0500 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New MS rule At 02:25 PM 05/05/2005, CW wrote: Seriously (and here's where I will get catcalls) this is why I wish MS -did- have a way to force more people to literally upgrade; If you're still running Win98, etc. I'd prefer they almost say sorry, we don't support that product at all anymore They do for Win95. You can say oh, that's unfair but call Ford and see if you can get parts for a Pinto. Or Chevy if you can get parts for a 68 whatever; you have to go aftermarket. But MS doesn't allow aftermarket, so that's not a fair comparison. If all I do is Word Processing and Email, why should I have to upgrade my Pentium 233 to XP (which would require a hardware upgrade as well?) Keeping the auth number generator software costs MS nothing, and the support time is easily covered under by the $15. If MS doesn't want to support their products, they should release them into the public domain. At a certain point, it's true of all products, software is not the exception to the rule. I've had to replace books because they were tattered (See: Hitchhiker's Guide, Discworld, Dune and numerous others). I don't think your analogy holds - this is more like losing the front cover of a book, and being forced to buy a new copy if you want to read it again. They still have the CD. T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus]
RE: [H] New MS rule
OK, but at question here, if I understand correctly, is the generation of keys for older OS (98 specifically) your example that a borrowed key works seems to highlight my position of: if you're really out a 98SE key, and you waste the time calling them instead of finding any of the millions of people who have a key you can use then they ought to charge you $ for wasting their time ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:37 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] New MS rule - Original Message - From: CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [H] New MS rule OK, I guess I've just missed the point. Can anyone show me a single instance where MS has prosecuted a home user for borrowing a key? Your hurdle is not getting Windows XP to install. You can use any Product Key for the same version (OEM, Full or Upgrade) and Windows XP will install. It is the required authentication process that you have to worry about. The first time your new computer (or Upgrade Installation) was authenticated a detailed description of the computer was matched to the Product Key and sent to Microsoft. Microsoft will detect and deny authentication on any future occasion if authentication is attempted after having used a different Product Key to install Windows. Authentication is the key. Example: Before authentication became a requirement people like Hewlett Packard could easily be suspected of piracy. If any of you has a Hewlett Packard computer with Windows 98 SE on it, check and see if VTXBY-99K94-9C6CW-Q2FR4-8Q4VQ is the Product Key used to install Windows 98 SE version 4.10.. Out of the well over a hundred Hewlett Packard computers I installed Windows 98 SE on all came with Windows installed using this same Product Key which I bet you will find if you examine the Product Key for this version of Windows which can be found in the registry. My point here is it is easy to come up with most any Product Key and install Windows. Windows 98 did not need authentication. Windows XP does and there lies your obstacle if you do not always use the same Product Key that the computer manufacturer used. Right now you may not believe me. You will believe me if several others post Me to's in response to my question, Does your Windows 98 SE HP have the same Product Key as I listed in my 2nd paragraph above. Chuck
[H] coolers
http://tinyurl.com/dpjmy bad boy for sure, where are they headed, condensers mounted OUTSIDE :-! :-} -- Tallyho ! ]:8) -- If it's more than you need, it's greed.
Re: [H] coolers
Definitely big, but you need an absolute monstrosity to passively keep the mini nuclear furnace that is the Intel Prescott cool. Greg - Original Message - From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: [H] coolers http://tinyurl.com/dpjmy bad boy for sure, where are they headed, condensers mounted OUTSIDE :-! :-} -- Tallyho ! ]:8) -- If it's more than you need, it's greed.
