Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:00:48 -0500 Even the most learned psychologists psychiatrists who btw are usually atheists agree that story telling to the young is one of the best way to communicate ideas to them. I also strongly disagree that humans have a morality code built in. Try making a study of morality in our prison system some time. Many inmates turn to religion as easy way to chalk up points with the parole board but you'll find that the ones that actually reform enough not to be a nuisance to society after they get out are predominantly religious in their private lives. All of us have demons within that we must keep in the background. Sure the demons aren't usually a bright red man with pointy ears a pitch fork but that doesn't mean an evil doesn't lurk within us either after all humans are animals. Have you heard the one about the 3 monkeys in a tree discussing humans? You seem to have very little confidence in what a normal, non-deranged, non-psycho human mind is capable of. The fact we are wired to fall in love with a mate, protect the family and normally do not go around killing innocent people is an elementary example of a sense of morality built in. Books and the government do not need to instill this in most people. I suggest you find a better example to counter with than incarcerated felons.
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:31:05 -0400 At 03:13 AM 23/12/2005, Neil Atwood wrote: We are dealing with matters of truth here. Either something is true or it is not. There is discoverable truth about Jesus, because he was a real historical figure, and therefore we can employ the same approach to examining him and his claims as we do any historical figure. Ok, I find this direction interesting. Is there any proof of the existance of Jesus other than the Bible? The evidence is very sparse. The gospels actually hint that he may be a mythical figure. But really - who *WAS* documented extensively in those days other than Roman leaders? Josephus mentions his life but also mentions he had a brother (forget the name).
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:16:21 -0800 What do you mean worshipped the wrong God? There is only one According to you. Many other religious people outside of judeo-chirstianity have quite a few.
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:00:24 -0400 While it's true that very few people were carefully documented in those times, there is a fair bit of correspondence available from the time, and one would think that someone who raised the dead and walked on water would have attracted some level of attention. :) Well his story spread just like any other event through the have-not class, word of mouth. It's not like Rabbi Jesus could afford his own biographer or that Rome Publishing (TM) would issue a cash advance on a book deal concerning the musing of a petty jewish carpenter.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:26:00 -0800 A great example is President Bush. We would not be in the terrible situation we find ourselves in if he was a real CHRISTIAN that he claims he is. A person who lived Jesus teachings could not slaughter innocent people. And he would not have a foe. The human race has not evolved enough or Intelligent Design was a failure. Sam POST OF THE YEAR.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:39:16 -0800 It's difficult for humans to understand an entity like God and all that entails. It's pretty easy to understand as the idea spawned from the mind of feeble dolts over 5,000 years ago who turn to fairy tales about cloud men rather than investigation for life's answers. God - the world's longest running chain-letter troll. Should have been the first entry on Snopes.com. I can't believe humanity still clings to such an ass-backward ignorant view of the world. For a century or so since Nietzsche, popular culture in the West has operated according to an uneasy truce, in which God both is and is not dead. We teach our children the evidence-based materialism of science and tell them they can believe in God and a faith-based morality in their spare time if they like. And in some parts of the country, we celebrate Scopes as a victory over ignorance, while still insisting that we do not also celebrate it as a victory over religion. What these endless Scopes sequels tell us is that somewhere many years from now we're going to hit a fork in the road, beyond which this have-it-both-ways philosophy isn't going to fly anymore.
[H] ATA has come a LOOOOOOONG way
Just had the pleasure of experiencing what it was like to have an IDE system in 1993. My cable modem was crapping out and it messed up a bunch of downloads to the point that the rar files (from a massive 1080P feed sample) had enough CRC errors that it flagged Windows XP to downgrade the PATA disk to PIO mode!!! It was set so that the option to revert it back to DMA mode was greyed out in the device manager and only a registry change will fix. For a while I thought it must have been some clever vileware or virus as opening any file on this disk took forever and transfering a CD image from a 74GB raptor to the PATA took hours and over 80% CPU utilization, lol. I wonder when windows downgrades to PIO, if it is PIO mode 0 or if it uses whatever max PIO a disk is tagged to use. This normally happens to CD/DVD drives with a scratched disk that will generate enough CRC errors. First time I've seen it on a disk that wasnt physically damaged. On a side note - those with cable modems should make sure you have something recent. I thought all DOCIS2 were the same until I replaced my RCA freebie from Cox with a motorola 5000 series surfboard. My download speeds jumped x5. My downstream is over 15Mb/s with 2.5Mb up. Cox is litterally giving away fractional T3 speeds for pennies.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:38:05 -0800 If (as you indicate) people are turning less religious over time, why do you suppose that Roe V. Wade may actually be overturned soon, for the first time in 33 years? Gary VanderMolen Because abortion has absolutely nothing to do with fairy tales? Since when do you need to worship cloud men in order to determine if you personally find aborting fetuses to be immoral? I really have disgust for those who assume that only by instilling fairy tales does one have moral guidance. It is a real undermining of the human mind to overlook the sense of morality built in at the genetic level. I don't need a book to tell me that killing is wrong.
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Neil Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:02:18 +1100 You really are a rude and arrogant person Mr Robertson. Sad to think that one day you will awake to realise that much of what you write off as 'fairy tales' is true. True would mean factual, and facts are not a part of faith. But lets not have logic, facts, and truth get in the way of your reasoning, after all it's just religion.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:44:23 -0400 All these questions simply show that you haven't thought Darwinism through completely. The idea that Darwinism requires continuous improvement based on what mankind thinks is better shows a total lack of understanding of his theory. It's also important to understand that the scientific method is like the US constitution. It's a living, breathing set of foundations that allows us to challenge and refine theories or laws to get a better understanding of our universe. Religious dogma is absolute, it can not be corrected, and many have died when pointing out the blatent stupidity of said dogma. Those who suggest compromising the scientific method in wake of certain people's belief in delusional frameworks based ancient superstitions is an insult to all of mankind's progress as a result of science. Just sickening.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Why do all whales have useless hip bones? Not very intelligent in design I'd say.
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
God Shamgod 2nd round pick by the Washington Wizards. It's his birth given name though. From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:44:22 -0500 I thought that someone had recently changed their name to GOD in a courthouse. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thane Sherrington (S) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:38 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge At 12:57 PM 21/12/2005, 007 wrote: The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. All the people would go to Churches, Synagogues and Mosques all the time). And we would not have atheists or agnostics. Assuming there is a god. T
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
That town is invoking the wrath of God. Rabbi Jesus will not be mocked by such blasphemous diatribe. Only communists and deviants believe that man and monkey are related. PROOF: http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2434192005 Pat Robertson, I'm not an ape but I play one on TV. From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: hwg hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:59:08 -0700 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051220-5807.html Quote: (1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible complexity, central to ID, employs the same flawed and illogical contrived dualism that doomed creation science in the 1980's; and (3) ID's negative attacks on evolution have been refuted by the scientific community. Chalk one up for the good guys. -- Brian
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:22:52 - Their children will simply grow up ignorant then won't they ! If Darwin could prove just 1% of the natural world then it might be worth listening to . . . but why are Dogs no more intelligent than they were years ago, why are there still Monkeys, why have they not evolved like us ? Where did flowers come from ? How come there are still single cell organisms after all these milions of years ? One thing is for sure, they did not come from fairy tales about cloud men from 5,000 years ago (which are rehashed in every new cult inception, the cult of Rabbi Jesus is no exception). Darwinism doesn't prove anything, all it does it suggest a possible solution to the questions man has been asking for years. Actually it is a scientific theory. People who use Cletus McRedstate pablum such as it's only a theory perhaps should go prove how weak and unfounded scientific theories are by testing the theory of gravity and go leap off a tall building. If you read the Bible and compare the rock strata with the events in the Bible, like the great flood, you see the rocks match with the Bible. Darwin couldn't explain why the rocks are how they are. Have a look at http://www.creationresearch.org/ Some people have lost grasp of what faith is. Faith is defined as something that can never be proven yet is believed nonetheless. God archeologists are missing the point. Trying to fuse unprovable fairy tales with actual reality is a fruitless endeavor. Everybody has their own superstitions, I'm just as guilty. I have faith that the Redskins will make the Super Bowl this year but I have no proof to show for it (logic suggests that they will be lucky if they make the playoffs). The world's greatest novel was written to inspire it's readership with it's interpretation of how to live a moral life - not inspire wackos to hunt down wood debris claiming it's from Noah. I'm sure the authors would be laughing their asses off.
