Re: [H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe

[_ Winterlight]

Well done Chris! Now I understand it.

Yes indeed! Computers are funit is either that or have some kind of 
psychological problem.

w

From: Hardware  on behalf of 
Christopher Fisk 
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 6:47 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe

In order to use an NVMe drive you need an NVMe port.  Your current
motherboard doesn't have one.  Using one of these boards vs a built in NVMe
port really doesn't have any performance differences.  It's all about
getting the connection to the 4 PCIe lanes.

Frankly, the way NVMe works I find very funny.

Originally, we had PATA drives.  They used a parallel connection, with 40
(later 80) wire connectors allowing data to go across.  Then we switched to
SATA connectors (Serial ATA), which is essentially using one very fast
connection to transport data to/from the hard drives.

The original PATA was 33mbps, then the 80 wire PATA was 66.  Then SATA came
and did 150, then SATA2 at 300, then SATA3 at 600.  That's pretty much
maxed out the connection speed possible over a SATA connection.

So, they got the big idea, lets parallel the serial connection, putting 4
SATA links together for a total of 2400mbps.  Thus, you have NVMe using 4
SATA3 connections at the same time.

Aren't computers fun?


Chris

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 5:48 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> Thanks Chris
> I didn't realize I could use an adaptor. I thought it would be it works or
> it doesn't. Is there a version of these drives that would plug directly
> into my board and how much of a performance hit would I have.  I haven't
> been paying attention and didn't realize there were so many different
> versions.
>
> Thanks
> 
> From: Hardware  on behalf of
> Christopher Fisk 
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 6:17 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
> Subject: Re: [H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe
>
> A caveat on the second one:  The second one is M.2 SATA, not NVMe, so you
> may just want the first one to say the $3.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 9:15 AM Christopher Fisk <
> christopher.f...@thefisks.org> wrote:
>
> > Your motherboard supports PCIe 3.0, so that is good, you will need to use
> > either first or second PCIe slot (I suggest the second slot which is an
> x16
> > slot that gets limited to x8 when something in the the first slot, use
> the
> > first slot for your video card)
> >
> > You will also need to purchase an NVMe adaptor.
> >
> > Something like:
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/YATENG-Controller-Expansion-Card-Support-Converter/dp/B07JJTVGZM
> > or:
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-advanced-solution-Controller-Expansion/dp/B07JKH5VTL
> >
> > The second one allows you to throw in a second one in the future.
> >
> > You can search for other adaptors if you like, those looked fine from my
> > very quick research though.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 7:16 PM _ Winterlight 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am looking at a
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-SN550-1TB-NVMe-Internal/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ref=psdc_1292116011_t1_B073SB2MXT
> >> >
> >> Western Digital 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD - Gen3 x4 PCIe
> 8Gb/s,
> >> M.2 2280, 3D NAND, Up to 2,400 MB/s - WDS100T2B0C
> >> but I am unclear if my motherboard will support it = Ausus P9X79 with
> >> these specs
> >>
> >> 4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (dual@x16/x16; Quad@x8/x8/x8/x8; Triple@x16
> /x8/x8)
> >> 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (White@x4 speed)
> >> * This motherboard is ready to support PCIe 3.0 SPEC. Functions will be
> >> available when using PCIe 3.0-compliant devices
> >>
> >> Is Gen3 and PCe 3.0 the same thing?
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >
>

Re: [H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe

[_ Winterlight]

Thanks Chris
I didn't realize I could use an adaptor. I thought it would be it works or it 
doesn't. Is there a version of these drives that would plug directly into my 
board and how much of a performance hit would I have.  I haven't been paying 
attention and didn't realize there were so many different versions.

Thanks

From: Hardware  on behalf of 
Christopher Fisk 
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 6:17 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe

A caveat on the second one:  The second one is M.2 SATA, not NVMe, so you
may just want the first one to say the $3.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 9:15 AM Christopher Fisk <
christopher.f...@thefisks.org> wrote:

> Your motherboard supports PCIe 3.0, so that is good, you will need to use
> either first or second PCIe slot (I suggest the second slot which is an x16
> slot that gets limited to x8 when something in the the first slot, use the
> first slot for your video card)
>
> You will also need to purchase an NVMe adaptor.
>
> Something like:
> https://www.amazon.com/YATENG-Controller-Expansion-Card-Support-Converter/dp/B07JJTVGZM
> or:
> https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-advanced-solution-Controller-Expansion/dp/B07JKH5VTL
>
> The second one allows you to throw in a second one in the future.
>
> You can search for other adaptors if you like, those looked fine from my
> very quick research though.
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 7:16 PM _ Winterlight 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking at a
>> <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-SN550-1TB-NVMe-Internal/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ref=psdc_1292116011_t1_B073SB2MXT
>> >
>> Western Digital 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD - Gen3 x4 PCIe 8Gb/s,
>> M.2 2280, 3D NAND, Up to 2,400 MB/s - WDS100T2B0C
>> but I am unclear if my motherboard will support it = Ausus P9X79 with
>> these specs
>>
>> 4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (dual@x16/x16; Quad@x8/x8/x8/x8; Triple@x16/x8/x8)
>> 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (White@x4 speed)
>> * This motherboard is ready to support PCIe 3.0 SPEC. Functions will be
>> available when using PCIe 3.0-compliant devices
>>
>> Is Gen3 and PCe 3.0 the same thing?
>>
>> 
>>
>

Re: [H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe

[Christopher Fisk]

A caveat on the second one:  The second one is M.2 SATA, not NVMe, so you
may just want the first one to say the $3.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 9:15 AM Christopher Fisk <
christopher.f...@thefisks.org> wrote:

> Your motherboard supports PCIe 3.0, so that is good, you will need to use
> either first or second PCIe slot (I suggest the second slot which is an x16
> slot that gets limited to x8 when something in the the first slot, use the
> first slot for your video card)
>
> You will also need to purchase an NVMe adaptor.
>
> Something like:
> https://www.amazon.com/YATENG-Controller-Expansion-Card-Support-Converter/dp/B07JJTVGZM
> or:
> https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-advanced-solution-Controller-Expansion/dp/B07JKH5VTL
>
> The second one allows you to throw in a second one in the future.
>
> You can search for other adaptors if you like, those looked fine from my
> very quick research though.
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 7:16 PM _ Winterlight 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking at a
>> <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-SN550-1TB-NVMe-Internal/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ref=psdc_1292116011_t1_B073SB2MXT
>> >
>> Western Digital 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD - Gen3 x4 PCIe 8Gb/s,
>> M.2 2280, 3D NAND, Up to 2,400 MB/s - WDS100T2B0C
>> but I am unclear if my motherboard will support it = Ausus P9X79 with
>> these specs
>>
>> 4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (dual@x16/x16; Quad@x8/x8/x8/x8; Triple@x16/x8/x8)
>> 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (White@x4 speed)
>> * This motherboard is ready to support PCIe 3.0 SPEC. Functions will be
>> available when using PCIe 3.0-compliant devices
>>
>> Is Gen3 and PCe 3.0 the same thing?
>>
>> 
>>
>

Re: [H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe

[Christopher Fisk]

Your motherboard supports PCIe 3.0, so that is good, you will need to use
either first or second PCIe slot (I suggest the second slot which is an x16
slot that gets limited to x8 when something in the the first slot, use the
first slot for your video card)

You will also need to purchase an NVMe adaptor.

Something like:
https://www.amazon.com/YATENG-Controller-Expansion-Card-Support-Converter/dp/B07JJTVGZM
or:
https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-advanced-solution-Controller-Expansion/dp/B07JKH5VTL

The second one allows you to throw in a second one in the future.

You can search for other adaptors if you like, those looked fine from my
very quick research though.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 7:16 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I am looking at a
> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-SN550-1TB-NVMe-Internal/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ref=psdc_1292116011_t1_B073SB2MXT
> >
> Western Digital 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD - Gen3 x4 PCIe 8Gb/s,
> M.2 2280, 3D NAND, Up to 2,400 MB/s - WDS100T2B0C
> but I am unclear if my motherboard will support it = Ausus P9X79 with
> these specs
>
> 4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (dual@x16/x16; Quad@x8/x8/x8/x8; Triple@x16/x8/x8)
> 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (White@x4 speed)
> * This motherboard is ready to support PCIe 3.0 SPEC. Functions will be
> available when using PCIe 3.0-compliant devices
>
> Is Gen3 and PCe 3.0 the same thing?
>
> 
>

Re: [H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe

[Jamie Furtner]

Yes. Even if it wasn't PCIe is forwards/backwards compatible, the 
motherboard and device would negotiate the fastest speed possible 
between them.


Jamie

On 2020-10-25 5:16 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

I am looking at a

Western Digital 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD - Gen3 x4 PCIe 8Gb/s, M.2 
2280, 3D NAND, Up to 2,400 MB/s - WDS100T2B0C
but I am unclear if my motherboard will support it = Ausus P9X79 with these 
specs

4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (dual@x16/x16; Quad@x8/x8/x8/x8; Triple@x16/x8/x8)
2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (White@x4 speed)
* This motherboard is ready to support PCIe 3.0 SPEC. Functions will be 
available when using PCIe 3.0-compliant devices

Is Gen3 and PCe 3.0 the same thing?

[H] Asus P9X79 WS and Gen3 PCIe

[_ Winterlight]

I am looking at a

Western Digital 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD - Gen3 x4 PCIe 8Gb/s, M.2 
2280, 3D NAND, Up to 2,400 MB/s - WDS100T2B0C
but I am unclear if my motherboard will support it = Ausus P9X79 with these 
specs

4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (dual@x16/x16; Quad@x8/x8/x8/x8; Triple@x16/x8/x8)
2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (White@x4 speed)
* This motherboard is ready to support PCIe 3.0 SPEC. Functions will be 
available when using PCIe 3.0-compliant devices

Is Gen3 and PCe 3.0 the same thing?