Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...

[Veech]

Good point.  Does the dual GTS have the same requirements?


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The other factor is that the smallest psu you can really use for dual gtx 
is an 825w, but they recommend a 1000w. So it isn't just about adding a 
card, its about rethinking thermal design and power systems :)


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-Original Message-
From: "Veech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:12:44
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Subject: Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...

I'm going with dual GTS in SLI.  The GTX performance increase doesn't
warrant the price difference, imo.

I was originally going to go with dual 7950 GX2 in SLI, I wonder what the
performance difference will be between the two configs.



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From: "Stan Zaske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...



Get one 8800 GTX now and buy another one in the future. One is really all
you need with current games. Read the reviews dude! This card kicks
Oblivion's ass! ;-)



The BFGTech GeForce 8800 GTX and GTS however render that grass like it
wasn’t even there! It is that fast. We were blown away when we cranked up
Oblivion to 1600x1200 with absolute maximum in-game settings and grass to
maximum with no AA. When we first started testing we saw the framerate in
the 70 FPS range with grass on! It was simply amazing. We then started
experimenting with the different antialiasing modes since all of them 
work

in Oblivion with HDR enabled. You do have to set the driver control panel
to “override the application
<http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIxOCwxMCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=#>
setting” though and force the AA level from the control panel, which is
perfectly fine since it allows you to try out the CSAA levels of 8X, 16X
and 16xQ.

As you can see in the table with the 8800 GTX the highest playable 
setting

that struck a balance of image quality and performance was a very high
1600x1200 with 8X AA (which is the CSAA mode since it is turned on in the
control panel), and 16X AF with the absolutely highest in-game settings
possible. The in-game settings literally do not go any higher; this is as
good as the game gets visually. We were pulling an average in our test of
48 FPS, and a minimum in the lower 30’s, all very playable at such high
settings.






Veech wrote:

Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:

At what point does FPS become moot? We all know that you can tell the
difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?

Here's why I ask, I am considering an SLI configuration of GeForce 8800
either GTS or GTX. I have only found one site so far to show benchmark
comparisons of the two:

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=24&articleid=903&cid=2

On it, Quake4 performance is 141fps GTS vs 148fps GTX. No difference
essentially.

FEAR is 95fps GTS vs 120fps GTX. That's a considerable difference, but
will it be noticeable?

Biggest difference is Prey: 116fps GTS vs 154fps GTX. Big difference, 
but

heck isn't 116fps good enough? Will I really notice the difference?

thanks for your input...

Veech

Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...

[tmservo]

The other factor is that the smallest psu you can really use for dual gtx is an 
825w, but they recommend a 1000w. So it isn't just about adding a card, its 
about rethinking thermal design and power systems :)

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-Original Message-
From: "Veech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:12:44 
To:"The Hardware List" 
Subject: Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...

I'm going with dual GTS in SLI.  The GTX performance increase doesn't 
warrant the price difference, imo.

I was originally going to go with dual 7950 GX2 in SLI, I wonder what the 
performance difference will be between the two configs.



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From: "Stan Zaske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...


> Get one 8800 GTX now and buy another one in the future. One is really all 
> you need with current games. Read the reviews dude! This card kicks 
> Oblivion's ass! ;-)
>
> 
>
> The BFGTech GeForce 8800 GTX and GTS however render that grass like it 
> wasn’t even there! It is that fast. We were blown away when we cranked up 
> Oblivion to 1600x1200 with absolute maximum in-game settings and grass to 
> maximum with no AA. When we first started testing we saw the framerate in 
> the 70 FPS range with grass on! It was simply amazing. We then started 
> experimenting with the different antialiasing modes since all of them work 
> in Oblivion with HDR enabled. You do have to set the driver control panel 
> to “override the application 
> <http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIxOCwxMCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=#>
>  
> setting” though and force the AA level from the control panel, which is 
> perfectly fine since it allows you to try out the CSAA levels of 8X, 16X 
> and 16xQ.
>
> As you can see in the table with the 8800 GTX the highest playable setting 
> that struck a balance of image quality and performance was a very high 
> 1600x1200 with 8X AA (which is the CSAA mode since it is turned on in the 
> control panel), and 16X AF with the absolutely highest in-game settings 
> possible. The in-game settings literally do not go any higher; this is as 
> good as the game gets visually. We were pulling an average in our test of 
> 48 FPS, and a minimum in the lower 30’s, all very playable at such high 
> settings.
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> Veech wrote:
>> Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:
>>
>> At what point does FPS become moot? We all know that you can tell the 
>> difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?
>>
>> Here's why I ask, I am considering an SLI configuration of GeForce 8800 
>> either GTS or GTX. I have only found one site so far to show benchmark 
>> comparisons of the two:
>>
>> http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=24&articleid=903&cid=2
>>
>> On it, Quake4 performance is 141fps GTS vs 148fps GTX. No difference 
>> essentially.
>>
>> FEAR is 95fps GTS vs 120fps GTX. That's a considerable difference, but 
>> will it be noticeable?
>>
>> Biggest difference is Prey: 116fps GTS vs 154fps GTX. Big difference, but 
>> heck isn't 116fps good enough? Will I really notice the difference?
>>
>> thanks for your input...
>>
>> Veech 

Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...

[Veech]

I'm going with dual GTS in SLI.  The GTX performance increase doesn't 
warrant the price difference, imo.


I was originally going to go with dual 7950 GX2 in SLI, I wonder what the 
performance difference will be between the two configs.




- Original Message - 
From: "Stan Zaske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...


Get one 8800 GTX now and buy another one in the future. One is really all 
you need with current games. Read the reviews dude! This card kicks 
Oblivion's ass! ;-)




The BFGTech GeForce 8800 GTX and GTS however render that grass like it 
wasn’t even there! It is that fast. We were blown away when we cranked up 
Oblivion to 1600x1200 with absolute maximum in-game settings and grass to 
maximum with no AA. When we first started testing we saw the framerate in 
the 70 FPS range with grass on! It was simply amazing. We then started 
experimenting with the different antialiasing modes since all of them work 
in Oblivion with HDR enabled. You do have to set the driver control panel 
to “override the application 
<http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIxOCwxMCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=#> 
setting” though and force the AA level from the control panel, which is 
perfectly fine since it allows you to try out the CSAA levels of 8X, 16X 
and 16xQ.


As you can see in the table with the 8800 GTX the highest playable setting 
that struck a balance of image quality and performance was a very high 
1600x1200 with 8X AA (which is the CSAA mode since it is turned on in the 
control panel), and 16X AF with the absolutely highest in-game settings 
possible. The in-game settings literally do not go any higher; this is as 
good as the game gets visually. We were pulling an average in our test of 
48 FPS, and a minimum in the lower 30’s, all very playable at such high 
settings.







Veech wrote:

Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:

At what point does FPS become moot? We all know that you can tell the 
difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?


Here's why I ask, I am considering an SLI configuration of GeForce 8800 
either GTS or GTX. I have only found one site so far to show benchmark 
comparisons of the two:


http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=24&articleid=903&cid=2

On it, Quake4 performance is 141fps GTS vs 148fps GTX. No difference 
essentially.


FEAR is 95fps GTS vs 120fps GTX. That's a considerable difference, but 
will it be noticeable?


Biggest difference is Prey: 116fps GTS vs 154fps GTX. Big difference, but 
heck isn't 116fps good enough? Will I really notice the difference?


thanks for your input...

Veech 

Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...

[Stan Zaske]

Get one 8800 GTX now and buy another one in the future. One is really 
all you need with current games. Read the reviews dude! This card kicks 
Oblivion's ass! ;-)




The BFGTech GeForce 8800 GTX and GTS however render that grass like it 
wasn’t even there! It is that fast. We were blown away when we cranked 
up Oblivion to 1600x1200 with absolute maximum in-game settings and 
grass to maximum with no AA. When we first started testing we saw the 
framerate in the 70 FPS range with grass on! It was simply amazing. We 
then started experimenting with the different antialiasing modes since 
all of them work in Oblivion with HDR enabled. You do have to set the 
driver control panel to “override the application 
 
setting” though and force the AA level from the control panel, which is 
perfectly fine since it allows you to try out the CSAA levels of 8X, 16X 
and 16xQ.


As you can see in the table with the 8800 GTX the highest playable 
setting that struck a balance of image quality and performance was a 
very high 1600x1200 with 8X AA (which is the CSAA mode since it is 
turned on in the control panel), and 16X AF with the absolutely highest 
in-game settings possible. The in-game settings literally do not go any 
higher; this is as good as the game gets visually. We were pulling an 
average in our test of 48 FPS, and a minimum in the lower 30’s, all very 
playable at such high settings.







Veech wrote:

Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:

At what point does FPS become moot? We all know that you can tell the 
difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?


Here's why I ask, I am considering an SLI configuration of GeForce 
8800 either GTS or GTX. I have only found one site so far to show 
benchmark comparisons of the two:


http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=24&articleid=903&cid=2

On it, Quake4 performance is 141fps GTS vs 148fps GTX. No difference 
essentially.


FEAR is 95fps GTS vs 120fps GTX. That's a considerable difference, but 
will it be noticeable?


Biggest difference is Prey: 116fps GTS vs 154fps GTX. Big difference, 
but heck isn't 116fps good enough? Will I really notice the difference?


thanks for your input...

Veech

RE: [H] FPS question for gamers...

[Hayes Elkins]

The peak FPS is a moot number to benchmark.

With hardware as fast as it is today, what you want to look for is the 
LOWEST fps a game will get when benchmarking, and with all the eye candy 
turned on. hardocp.com goes with this philosophy.


The human eye can very well detect differences from 60fps to over 100fps, 
otherwise monitor makers would never bother offering refresh rates over 60hz 
:)




From: "Veech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "The Hardware List" 
Subject: [H] FPS question for gamers...
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:53:06 -0800

Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:

At what point does FPS become moot?  We all know that you can tell the 
difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?


Here's why I ask, I am considering an SLI configuration of GeForce 8800 
either GTS or GTX.  I have only found one site so far to show benchmark 
comparisons of the two:


http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=24&articleid=903&cid=2

On it, Quake4 performance is 141fps GTS vs 148fps GTX.  No difference 
essentially.


FEAR is 95fps GTS vs 120fps GTX.  That's a considerable difference, but 
will it be noticeable?


Biggest difference is Prey: 116fps GTS vs 154fps GTX.  Big difference, but 
heck isn't 116fps good enough?  Will I really notice the difference?


thanks for your input...

Veech



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Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...

[JOEUSER]

Hello Veech,

Thursday, November 9, 2006, 4:53:06 PM, you wrote:

> Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:

> At what point does FPS become moot?  We all know that you can tell the
> difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?


Don't quote me on this, but IIRC, when the FPS exceed the refresh rate
you have maxed the benefit.


-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

Re: [H] FPS question for gamers...

[Veech]

That's about what I thought  90fps is about all I need...  thing is 
about benchmarks, are these numbers averages or peaks?  If peaks, that means 
the 95fps may average 75 or less...



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From: "Bobby Heid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'The Hardware List'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: [H] FPS question for gamers...



I think that usually, anything over 60-80fps does not really matter.

I would think of it in terms of obsolescence, if it cost $20 more to get
20more fps, do it.  But for $100, nah.

Bobby

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veech
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:53 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: [H] FPS question for gamers...

Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:

At what point does FPS become moot?  We all know that you can tell the
difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?

Here's why I ask, I am considering an SLI configuration of GeForce 8800
either GTS or GTX.  I have only found one site so far to show benchmark
comparisons of the two:

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=24&articleid=903&cid=2

On it, Quake4 performance is 141fps GTS vs 148fps GTX.  No difference
essentially.

FEAR is 95fps GTS vs 120fps GTX.  That's a considerable difference, but 
will


it be noticeable?

Biggest difference is Prey: 116fps GTS vs 154fps GTX.  Big difference, but
heck isn't 116fps good enough?  Will I really notice the difference?

thanks for your input...

Veech

RE: [H] FPS question for gamers...

[Bobby Heid]

I think that usually, anything over 60-80fps does not really matter.

I would think of it in terms of obsolescence, if it cost $20 more to get
20more fps, do it.  But for $100, nah.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veech
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:53 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: [H] FPS question for gamers...

Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:

At what point does FPS become moot?  We all know that you can tell the 
difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?

Here's why I ask, I am considering an SLI configuration of GeForce 8800 
either GTS or GTX.  I have only found one site so far to show benchmark 
comparisons of the two:

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=24&articleid=903&cid=2

On it, Quake4 performance is 141fps GTS vs 148fps GTX.  No difference 
essentially.

FEAR is 95fps GTS vs 120fps GTX.  That's a considerable difference, but will

it be noticeable?

Biggest difference is Prey: 116fps GTS vs 154fps GTX.  Big difference, but 
heck isn't 116fps good enough?  Will I really notice the difference?

thanks for your input...

Veech 

[H] FPS question for gamers...

[Veech]

Those of you who enjoy fast-action PC gaming, I have a question:

At what point does FPS become moot?  We all know that you can tell the 
difference between 40fps and 60fps, but what about 80fps vs 100fps?


Here's why I ask, I am considering an SLI configuration of GeForce 8800 
either GTS or GTX.  I have only found one site so far to show benchmark 
comparisons of the two:


http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=24&articleid=903&cid=2

On it, Quake4 performance is 141fps GTS vs 148fps GTX.  No difference 
essentially.


FEAR is 95fps GTS vs 120fps GTX.  That's a considerable difference, but will 
it be noticeable?


Biggest difference is Prey: 116fps GTS vs 154fps GTX.  Big difference, but 
heck isn't 116fps good enough?  Will I really notice the difference?


thanks for your input...

Veech