Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Joe User]

Hello Wayne,

Friday, February 1, 2008, 10:08:34 AM, you wrote:

> At 05:26 PM 1/30/2008, Joe User typed:
>>Standards are solidified now?

> According to Wikipedia 

>>
>>Status
>>
>>
>>
>>Work on the 802.11n standard dates back to 2004. The draft is 
>>expected to be finalized in November 2008 with publication in July 
>>2009, but major manufacturers are now releasing 'pre-N', 'draft n' 
>>or 'MIMO-based' products based on early specs. These vendors 
>>anticipate the final version will not be significantly different 
>>from the draft, and in a bid to get the early mover advantage, are 
>>pushing ahead with the technology. A firmware update should be able 
>>to make current "Draft-N" hardware compatible with the final version.

> So the answer is no but I sure do love 144Mbps that I'm getting with 
> my configuration & hope that I get a little faster as firmware & 
> software will improve for both the Router & WNIC . Yes, I'll have to 
> keep checking for firmware updates for the WNIC & the router but 
> that's no big deal, IMHO It sure beats the 11 Mbps that the 802.11G 
> card that my B-I-L gets in his used Gateway 450 ROG w/ a Pentium M 
> 1400 MHz & 512meg laptop that he bought from his coworker that wanted 
> a new laptop. He could add more ram. The good news is that he bought 
> it for his grand daughter to pound on for only $300 from a coworker.



And that's why I said Ugh N.


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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Joe User]

Hello Wayne,

Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 2:14:53 PM, you wrote:

> At 08:29 PM 1/29/2008, Joe User typed:
>>Ugh N - not doing it for awhile.

> It works just fine here so I don't know why the Ugh.


Standards are solidified now?


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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Thane Sherrington]

At 04:14 PM 30/01/2008, Wayne Johnson wrote:

At 08:29 PM 1/29/2008, Joe User typed:

Ugh N - not doing it for awhile.


It works just fine here so I don't know why the Ugh.


The Intel 4965 chip doesn't work reliably with G routers unless you 
use the Intel connection software, I've found.  But that's not a big 
deal.  I've not gotten a chance to play with an N router yet, and I 
won't bother with one for myself until I replace my laptop in the 
next year or two.


T 

Re: [H] Odd network problem

[j maccraw]

Signal strength, not speed defines the quality of the
link.

Wayne Johnson wrote:
> At 03:59 PM 1/29/2008, Joe User typed:
>> Already redid their network drivers? The software
they use to manage
>> wireless (and they all have their own crap) is
probably the issue.
> 
> Just had the same issue with an Intel 2100 WiFi Nic.
The drivers were 
> old & didn't supt. WPA but it did once I upgraded
them altho I don't 
> know why XP calls 11Mbps an excellent connection. I
have an Intel 4965 & 
> it gets at least 54 Mbps even when the other laptop
is connected & it's 
> also considered an excellent connection. I believe
they're talking about 
> it not dropping packets versus speed but I still
wouldn't call it 11 
> Mbps excellent.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 


  

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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[j maccraw]

Singnal strength, not speed defines the quality of the
link.

Wayne Johnson wrote:
> At 03:59 PM 1/29/2008, Joe User typed:
>> Already redid their network drivers? The software
they use to manage
>> wireless (and they all have their own crap) is
probably the issue.
> 
> Just had the same issue with an Intel 2100 WiFi Nic.
The drivers were 
> old & didn't supt. WPA but it did once I upgraded
them altho I don't 
> know why XP calls 11Mbps an excellent connection. I
have an Intel 4965 & 
> it gets at least 54 Mbps even when the other laptop
is connected & it's 
> also considered an excellent connection. I believe
they're talking about 
> it not dropping packets versus speed but I still
wouldn't call it 11 
> Mbps excellent.
> 
> 
>  ---+--
> I'm a geek that loves to tweak.
> 
> 
> 


  

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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Joe User]

Hello Thane,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 4:50:15 PM, you wrote:

> That fixed it.  The Windows Wireless stuff works fine.

Yeah, I used to not care for windows wireless zero config having used it off
and on now and having seen the other crap out there, it's not to bad.

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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Thane Sherrington]

At 04:59 PM 29/01/2008, Joe User wrote:



Already redid their network drivers? The software they use to manage
wireless (and they all have their own crap) is probably the issue.


That fixed it.  The Windows Wireless stuff works fine.

Thanks.

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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Joe User]

Hello Wayne,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 6:48:40 PM, you wrote:

> I really don't care as long as it works with my B-I-L's cheap Netgear
> Router {the model # escapes me atm] but apparently it's working fine 
> with the Linksys Wireless-N Gigabit Security Router with VPN 
> WRVS4400N  or
> .
> I didn't realize that I had the router set that low for 802.11b.  I 
> did upgrade the WNIC's software in order to WPA as I didn't want to 
> change such a good router down to WEP as that would've defeated the 
> purpose of buying it.

Ugh N - not doing it for awhile.

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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Joe User]

Hello Ben,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 4:37:15 PM, you wrote:

> I suppose you could test by cranking down the speed on the AP (if it
> supports it) and see what Windows had to say about the quality of the 
> connection.

Already have. Maybe it's different for each software/program/driver.

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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Ben Ruset]

In XP the dialog says "Signal Strength: " where foo = Excellent, 
good, weak, poor.


You can't get an 11mb/s connection on a "weak" signal. Hence why it 
would say that it's poor. Poor in both signal strength and speed.


I suppose you could test by cranking down the speed on the AP (if it 
supports it) and see what Windows had to say about the quality of the 
connection.


Joe User wrote:

Hello Ben,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 4:21:14 PM, you wrote:


The Intel 2100 is an 802.11b NIC, with a max speed of 11 Mbit/s. Hence
why XP was saying the connection was excellent.


It focuses on the quality of the connection. 11/54/etc whatever
protocol is uses it rates - TMK it won't say "11 - u can better on 54"
or anything to that effect.

Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Joe User]

Hello Ben,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 4:21:14 PM, you wrote:

> The Intel 2100 is an 802.11b NIC, with a max speed of 11 Mbit/s. Hence
> why XP was saying the connection was excellent.

It focuses on the quality of the connection. 11/54/etc whatever
protocol is uses it rates - TMK it won't say "11 - u can better on 54"
or anything to that effect.

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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Ben Ruset]

The Intel 2100 is an 802.11b NIC, with a max speed of 11 Mbit/s. Hence 
why XP was saying the connection was excellent.


Wayne Johnson wrote:

At 03:59 PM 1/29/2008, Joe User typed:

Already redid their network drivers? The software they use to manage
wireless (and they all have their own crap) is probably the issue.


Just had the same issue with an Intel 2100 WiFi Nic. The drivers were 
old & didn't supt. WPA but it did once I upgraded them altho I don't 
know why XP calls 11Mbps an excellent connection. I have an Intel 4965 & 
it gets at least 54 Mbps even when the other laptop is connected & it's 
also considered an excellent connection. I believe they're talking about 
it not dropping packets versus speed but I still wouldn't call it 11 
Mbps excellent.



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Re: [H] Odd network problem

[Joe User]

Hello Thane,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 12:56:51 PM, you wrote:

> I have a laptop that will surf fine when plugged into a cable, but on 
> wireless will only ping and surf to IP addresses (it doesn't want to 
> resolve a domain name.)  I've tried hardwiring DNS numbers into the 
> TCP/IP for the wireless connection, but there was no change.  I also 
> tried turning off the DNS client service, but that made no 
> change.  The LSP stack appears to be fine.  Anyone have any ideas?


Already redid their network drivers? The software they use to manage
wireless (and they all have their own crap) is probably the issue.


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[H] Odd network problem

[Thane Sherrington]

I have a laptop that will surf fine when plugged into a cable, but on 
wireless will only ping and surf to IP addresses (it doesn't want to 
resolve a domain name.)  I've tried hardwiring DNS numbers into the 
TCP/IP for the wireless connection, but there was no change.  I also 
tried turning off the DNS client service, but that made no 
change.  The LSP stack appears to be fine.  Anyone have any ideas?


T