RE: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
At 01:22 4/16/2005, Bill Cohane, wrote: Guess I didn't look long enough for the source of that article! It only took a few seconds. The trick is to put a unique line in quotes like so: http://tinyurl.com/cp5h5 Start Here to Find It Fast! - http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names - http://domains.us-webmasters.com/
RE: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
At 13:10 04/16/05, W. D. wrote: At 01:22 4/16/2005, Bill Cohane, wrote: Guess I didn't look long enough for the source of that article! It only took a few seconds. The trick is to put a unique line in quotes like so: http://tinyurl.com/cp5h5 Yesterday, I used the exact same line (in quotes) and went through one page of useless results...mostly adds for PIII processors and short posts at discussion group. Today it worked right away. Go figure! Regards, Bill
Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
Are Athlon MPs cheap nowadays? I think they are a much better option path.
Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
Save headaches and go with something else. Unless you need more performance than the P6 architecture allows, or get a very good deal, the quirks and oddities in the Athlon MP 760MP/760MPX platform can be very...aggravating. Trust me--I'm typing on one. Greg - Original Message - From: Raul Limos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it? Are Athlon MPs cheap nowadays? I think they are a much better option path.
RE: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
bEEn giving it a lot of thought - I think I would be much better off investing my money in a cheap AMD 939 m/b and 939 AMD 3200+ If I had the matched PIII cpus laying around then I probably would have headed in that direction. Thanks one and all for your input though. Bill - if you want the m/b around for a spare let me know and you can have it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:43 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it? Save headaches and go with something else. Unless you need more performance than the P6 architecture allows, or get a very good deal, the quirks and oddities in the Athlon MP 760MP/760MPX platform can be very...aggravating. Trust me--I'm typing on one. Greg - Original Message - From: Raul Limos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it? Are Athlon MPs cheap nowadays? I think they are a much better option path.
Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
At 06:32 04/15/05, Bill Cohane wrote: Also, P2B-D boards before revision 1.06 don't all work at 133 MHz. FAB (front side bus). If you have one of these boards, you'd be limited to 800 MHz. (8X100) Coppermines. Oops. You could do 8.5X100. Or even 10X100 MHz if you can find a pair of 1 GHz PIII that run at 100 FSB. Of course, you don't need to bother with multiplier jumper settings since PIII ignore them. Just the FSB jumper. Regards, Bill
RE: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
Wow, thanks for all the good info. This board is version 1.05. I was thinking about going with the 8 x 100 PIII. But did not realize that the voltage limit would bite me. It was sort of an attractive way to go for me since I have about 700 mg lying around. But I wanted to with at least 1 gig hz on each cpu. I actually built this server originally for a company and has run 24 x 7 for nearly 8 years. Sort of aggravated to find out the Adaptec does not provide drivers for XP for the AAA-131U2. Was and expensive card way back when. Considering the obstacles, the cost of the processors, the age etc I think I will just pick up an MSI ATI 200 express m/b and 939 processor. But I appreciate all your input - btw - I had upgraded the bios to 14.003 while I was playing around with it. Thanks again, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Cohane Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:37 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it? At 06:32 04/15/05, Bill Cohane wrote: Also, P2B-D boards before revision 1.06 don't all work at 133 MHz. FAB (front side bus). If you have one of these boards, you'd be limited to 800 MHz. (8X100) Coppermines. Oops. You could do 8.5X100. Or even 10X100 MHz if you can find a pair of 1 GHz PIII that run at 100 FSB. Of course, you don't need to bother with multiplier jumper settings since PIII ignore them. Just the FSB jumper. Regards, Bill
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At 00:01 04/16/05, rls wrote: Wow, thanks for all the good info. This board is version 1.05. I was thinking about going with the 8 x 100 PIII. But did not realize that the voltage limit would bite me. It was sort of an attractive way to go for me since I have about 700 mg lying around. But I wanted to with at least 1 gig hz on each cpu. I actually built this server originally for a company and has run 24 x 7 for nearly 8 years. Sort of aggravated to find out the Adaptec does not provide drivers for XP for the AAA-131U2. Was and expensive card way back when. Considering the obstacles, the cost of the processors, the age etc I think I will just pick up an MSI ATI 200 express m/b and 939 processor. But I appreciate all your input - btw - I had upgraded the bios to 14.003 while I was playing around with it. There's still a way to get your 1.05 (or older) P2B-D to take two PIII-850 or two PIII-1000. I saved an article that shows how to modify any slot one Coppermine PIII to request 1.80 volts from the motherboard. (All P2B-D boards can supply 1.80 volts to the processors. This is only .10 volts more than the official voltage for PIII-1000, or .15 volts more than for the PIII-850. A .15v increase that shouldn't be harmful to the processor. I've run dual PIII-800 at 1.80 volts for weeks without problems. I couldn't find this article tonight using Google. But if you're interested, I can zip up the webpage that I saved and send it to you. Here are some of the text contents of the webpage. (There are great pictures that I of course can't include here. They make the procedure look very easy.) Dual PIII 1.12 Ghz on the Asus P2B-DS Rev 1.04 the PIII 1Ghz/100Mhz Slot 1 processor is designed for 1.7v core. This is no problem for newer P2D-DS boards (Rev 1.06 and higher) - just plug in the processors and boot up - but gives us a problem on older revision boards. There are five voltage identification pins (named VID[0-4]) on the Slot 1 connector. These pins are used to support automatic selection of power supply voltages. These pins are not signals, but are either an open circuit (logic 1) or a short circuit to ground (logic 0) on the processor. The combination of opens and shorts defines the voltage required by the processor core. The power supply must supply the voltage that is requested or disable itself. The table below shows the VID[0-4] logic states for 1.7v (Pentium III 1Ghz/100Mhz Slot 1) and 1.8v (minimum available on P2B-DS rev 1.05 and lower). Voltage VID0 VID1 VID2VID3VID4 (Pin B120) (Pin A120) (Pin A119) (Pin B119) (Pin A121) 1.7 1 1 1 0 0 1.8 1 0 1 0 0 If we can change VID1 from a '1' (open circuit) to a '0', (short circuit to ground), the processor will appear to be requesting 1.8v. This might sound like a task requiring some delicate work with a soldering iron, however there is a better way. VID4 (Pin A121) is a '0' and is adjacent to VID1 (Pin A120), which we need to change to a '0'. Slot 1 Processor VID Pins A120 and A121 are the last two pins to the right on the heatsink side of the processor. If we look closely at the Slot 1 connectors on the motherboard, there is a tiny gold contact for each pin on the processor. The contacts are spring loaded, and are forced outward when the processor is inserted into the slot. The upper ends of the contacts are visible in the small rectangular holes on the top of the Slot 1 connector, and move back and forth in these holes as the processor is inserted and removed. If we insert a small U-shaped piece of wire into the rectangular holes corresponding to pins A120 and A121, the gold contacts will be forced against the wire when the processor is inserted, thus connecting A120 to A121 and changing the processor voltage request from 1.7v to 1.8v The U-shaped wire used to connect pins A120 and A121 should be about 3mm tall and 1 mm wide. It also needs to be just the right diameter. I don't have a micrometer to measure the diameter but I used the thickest wire I could find which would fit into the rectangular hole in the top of the Slot 1 connector easily. Use tweezers to drop the wire into the holes. Put wires in both Slot 1 connectors. Now insert your processors and connect the fan cables to the headers on the motherboard. I recommend setting the FSB jumpers for 100Mhz initially, although my system is perfectly stable with the FSB at 112Mhz. The CPU multiplier jumpers do not need to be set as the multiplier is locked at 10x on the Pentium III 1Ghz/100Mhz Slot 1 processor. The pictures on this webpage make this method very clear. (My copy of the webpage was saved as an MHT webarchive document via Internet Explorer.) Regards, Bill
RE: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
At 00:02 4/16/2005, Bill Cohane, wrote: I couldn't find this article tonight using Google. Is this it? http://tipperlinne.com/p2b-ds.htm Start Here to Find It Fast! - http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names - http://domains.us-webmasters.com/
Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
Remember that while you will be able to spread the CPU load, no single process will go faster then your CPU speed = 800. I have done video with these kinds of speeds, and lower, but you really need a PIII or Cel 1GB or above for acceptable recording, basic editing and simple encoding, which will take you around 4-6+ hours per hour of video. 800 is going to be right at the bottom edge of acceptability. Lite On recommends a minimum of a PIII 800 for their DVD burners, so that should tell you something. However, as a media play black device, capturing, and editing audio, file server, fax server, this sort of thing, it would work great. At 11:00 AM 4/14/2005, you wrote: I found an old Asus 2B-D with 2 300 mhz Celerons in it. If I can find a pair of PIII 750s or 800s would this thing be worthwhile as a household server? It does have nearly 600 mg of ram on it. 256 + 128 + 128 + 64 Good enough to make into a multimedia server for the home network by putting a TV card in it and installing Media Center 2005 on it? Recording TV Shows etc? Guess I could stick a modem in it for network faxing too? I was going to pick up an AMD64 system for the above but was thinking with the dual processors maybe it might not be too bad. What does the collective think
Re: [H] Old Asus p2bd - should/could I use it?
Could be used as a linux server or a win2k domain controler. Used my old Digital DPW 2x333 / 1024MB as a DC web app server, until summer heat got it. Of course I only serve my 2 pc's but GPO's roaming profiles made it worth setting up! Now I waste P4 2Ghz Dell on the same task. =) rls wrote: I found an old Asus 2B-D with 2 300 mhz Celerons in it. If I can find a pair of PIII 750s or 800s would this thing be worthwhile as a household server? It does have nearly 600 mg of ram on it. 256 + 128 + 128 + 64 snip
