Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
Based on the last comments, Rick, good luck! I am seeing all future updates as YMMV now Best, Duncan At 23:34 09/01/2007 -0400, you wrote: I have a small-OEM licensed machine (white box) right now where the MB manufacturer is no longer making ANY MBs. I hope they take that as a reason for switching manufacturers. Rick Glazier From: Gary VanderMolen Yes, it is important to stress that the replacement motherboard is the nearest equivalent you could find. ;-) - Original Message - equivalent being the keyword, what they need to know regardless. This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
I've got a Dell OEM disk here that does not activate and I have used it on several different Dell's. real pisser fp At 11:01 PM 8/31/2007, Rick Glazier Poked the stick with: There are different types of OEM Windows disks. (That makes this a hard topic to discuss...) Dell ( big OEMs) use BIOS locked installs, and they never need activation. The small White Box builders use something more like a slightly limited version of the Retail disks (FPP), and they DO require activation... (I run both -- FPP and small OEM types here...) With a DELL BIOS upgrade, they include the BIOS lock stuff with the MB, or the FLASH, or do not overwrite that part... (Just like BootBlocks are seldom? overwritten by default, (at least in my Award BIOSs...) Rick Glazier From: FORC5 so the sw id's the bios during install, how greedy is that. what about a bios update. At 07:17 PM 8/31/2007, tmservo: Once mb bios identification tag changes, they consider that the end of the oem lic. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- I base my fashion taste on what doesn't itch.
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
I've read online articles that pretty much all say the same thing about OEM versions of Windows Vista. You are allowed to change any component but the motherboard. Microsoft has made the motherboard the core component of the PC and if you change it with a different one it counts as a new machine. Your Vista installation would require relicensing and a new product key. Apparently you are allowed to change the motherboard for a new one if it is a replacement of a defective board and it is the same make/model of the existing board. Now as a system builder and service/repair shop I think this sucks. It's not often that I can obtain exact make/model mainboards to repair systems. Tier-1 systems like Dell, HP, Sony, etc. who are past their warranty, sometimes 90 days on the cheapo units, have replacement motherboards listing online for $100-$400. In the past I would just pull the cpu and ram and drop in a factory new board from MSI, Asrock, ECS, etc. for $50. Then all I would need to do is phone up Microsoft whilst stuck on the XP product activation box and explain the reason for reactivation was to replace a defective mainboard with a new one. Not once have they not authorized an activation. Hopefully, they will continue to do so with these sort of circumstances. As to the folks who are simply switching boards because they need the extra expansion slots, more ram than their two dimm board would allow, etc. I think they shouldn't have to pay but like a reactivation fee of 2 cents or something. Why? Because it isnt a second computer! The end user would still have only one machine running Windows. Perhaps a break in pricing to convert their OEM license to a full retail license. Go halfsies on it. -Tharin O. FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ? I would think not but not my sandbox. :'( deeper and deeper fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Future looks spotty. You will spill soup in late evening.
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
pay ??? bad enough ya have to make the darn phone call. Hey MS, how about electronic reactivation with check boxes with reason for MB change. Correct about not finding exact replacement MB's. I have one coming back in next week which I suspect has bad board which is at least 3/4 years old. ( one of my component systems ) Why in hell would I not * kick him up a notch *. I had even suggested to this guy maybe upping to vista but I think not, retail sw is way too pricey. How the hell are the little guys supposed to compete. dam them to hell ! fp At 08:58 AM 9/1/2007, Tharin Olsen Poked the stick with: As to the folks who are simply switching boards because they need the extra expansion slots, more ram than their two dimm board would allow, etc. I think they shouldn't have to pay but like a reactivation fee of 2 cents or something. Why? Because it isnt a second computer! The end user would still have only one machine running Windows. Perhaps a break in pricing to convert their OEM license to a full retail license. Go halfsies on it. -Tharin O. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kleptomaniac: A rich thief.
RE: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
You all do realize that Vista's OEM one-motherboard-only policy is not new to Vista, right? Windows XP OEM/system builder licenses have had the -exact- same restriction. Identical (within reason) replacements only. With Vista, it appears that they're just enforcing that a little more aggressively. From the Microsoft OEM/System Builder's website: Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective? A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the original MicrosoftR OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a new personal computer to which MicrosoftR OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tharin Olsen Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:59 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe I've read online articles that pretty much all say the same thing about OEM versions of Windows Vista. You are allowed to change any component but the motherboard. Microsoft has made the motherboard the core component of the PC and if you change it with a different one it counts as a new machine. Your Vista installation would require relicensing and a new product key. Apparently you are allowed to change the motherboard for a new one if it is a replacement of a defective board and it is the same make/model of the existing board. Now as a system builder and service/repair shop I think this sucks. It's not often that I can obtain exact make/model mainboards to repair systems. Tier-1 systems like Dell, HP, Sony, etc. who are past their warranty, sometimes 90 days on the cheapo units, have replacement motherboards listing online for $100-$400. In the past I would just pull the cpu and ram and drop in a factory new board from MSI, Asrock, ECS, etc. for $50. Then all I would need to do is phone up Microsoft whilst stuck on the XP product activation box and explain the reason for reactivation was to replace a defective mainboard with a new one. Not once have they not authorized an activation. Hopefully, they will continue to do so with these sort of circumstances. As to the folks who are simply switching boards because they need the extra expansion slots, more ram than their two dimm board would allow, etc. I think they shouldn't have to pay but like a reactivation fee of 2 cents or something. Why? Because it isnt a second computer! The end user would still have only one machine running Windows. Perhaps a break in pricing to convert their OEM license to a full retail license. Go halfsies on it. -Tharin O. FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ? I would think not but not my sandbox. :'( deeper and deeper fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Future looks spotty. You will spill soup in late evening.
RE: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
equivalent being the keyword, what they need to know regardless. I did have a emachine activation declined once because I was dumb enough to admit replacing the mb with something *better* live an learn. still boils down to MS does not want to deal with end users or small time system, builders. IMO fp At 01:59 PM 9/1/2007, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with: You all do realize that Vista's OEM one-motherboard-only policy is not new to Vista, right? Windows XP OEM/system builder licenses have had the -exact- same restriction. Identical (within reason) replacements only. With Vista, it appears that they're just enforcing that a little more aggressively. From the Microsoft OEM/System Builder's website: Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective? A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the original MicrosoftR OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a new personal computer to which MicrosoftR OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tharin Olsen Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:59 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe I've read online articles that pretty much all say the same thing about OEM versions of Windows Vista. You are allowed to change any component but the motherboard. Microsoft has made the motherboard the core component of the PC and if you change it with a different one it counts as a new machine. Your Vista installation would require relicensing and a new product key. Apparently you are allowed to change the motherboard for a new one if it is a replacement of a defective board and it is the same make/model of the existing board. Now as a system builder and service/repair shop I think this sucks. It's not often that I can obtain exact make/model mainboards to repair systems. Tier-1 systems like Dell, HP, Sony, etc. who are past their warranty, sometimes 90 days on the cheapo units, have replacement motherboards listing online for $100-$400. In the past I would just pull the cpu and ram and drop in a factory new board from MSI, Asrock, ECS, etc. for $50. Then all I would need to do is phone up Microsoft whilst stuck on the XP product activation box and explain the reason for reactivation was to replace a defective mainboard with a new one. Not once have they not authorized an activation. Hopefully, they will continue to do so with these sort of circumstances. As to the folks who are simply switching boards because they need the extra expansion slots, more ram than their two dimm board would allow, etc. I think they shouldn't have to pay but like a reactivation fee of 2 cents or something. Why? Because it isnt a second computer! The end user would still have only one machine running Windows. Perhaps a break in pricing to convert their OEM license to a full retail license. Go halfsies on it. -Tharin O. FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ? I would think not but not my sandbox. :'( deeper and deeper fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Future looks spotty. You will spill soup in late evening. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- If a man speaks in a forest, and his wife is not there to hear him, is he still wrong?
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
Yes, it is important to stress that the replacement motherboard is the nearest equivalent you could find. ;-) Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - equivalent being the keyword, what they need to know regardless. I did have a emachine activation declined once because I was dumb enough to admit replacing the mb with something *better* live an learn. still boils down to MS does not want to deal with end users or small time system, builders. IMO fp At 01:59 PM 9/1/2007, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with: You all do realize that Vista's OEM one-motherboard-only policy is not new to Vista, right? Windows XP OEM/system builder licenses have had the -exact- same restriction. Identical (within reason) replacements only. With Vista, it appears that they're just enforcing that a little more aggressively. From the Microsoft OEM/System Builder's website: Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective? A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the original MicrosoftR OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a new personal computer to which MicrosoftR OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tharin Olsen Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:59 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe I've read online articles that pretty much all say the same thing about OEM versions of Windows Vista. You are allowed to change any component but the motherboard. Microsoft has made the motherboard the core component of the PC and if you change it with a different one it counts as a new machine. Your Vista installation would require relicensing and a new product key. Apparently you are allowed to change the motherboard for a new one if it is a replacement of a defective board and it is the same make/model of the existing board. Now as a system builder and service/repair shop I think this sucks. It's not often that I can obtain exact make/model mainboards to repair systems. Tier-1 systems like Dell, HP, Sony, etc. who are past their warranty, sometimes 90 days on the cheapo units, have replacement motherboards listing online for $100-$400. In the past I would just pull the cpu and ram and drop in a factory new board from MSI, Asrock, ECS, etc. for $50. Then all I would need to do is phone up Microsoft whilst stuck on the XP product activation box and explain the reason for reactivation was to replace a defective mainboard with a new one. Not once have they not authorized an activation. Hopefully, they will continue to do so with these sort of circumstances. As to the folks who are simply switching boards because they need the extra expansion slots, more ram than their two dimm board would allow, etc. I think they shouldn't have to pay but like a reactivation fee of 2 cents or something. Why? Because it isnt a second computer! The end user would still have only one machine running Windows. Perhaps a break in pricing to convert their OEM license to a full retail license. Go halfsies on it. -Tharin O. FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ? I would think not but not my sandbox. :'( deeper and deeper fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Future looks spotty. You will spill soup in late evening. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- If a man speaks in a forest, and his wife is not there to hear him, is he still wrong?
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
I have a small-OEM licensed machine (white box) right now where the MB manufacturer is no longer making ANY MBs. I hope they take that as a reason for switching manufacturers. Rick Glazier From: Gary VanderMolen Yes, it is important to stress that the replacement motherboard is the nearest equivalent you could find. ;-) - Original Message - equivalent being the keyword, what they need to know regardless.
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
good luck I wonder if there are any websites geared to help ppl as to what to say to M$ like there are for ppl applying for SSID fp At 08:34 PM 9/1/2007, Rick Glazier Poked the stick with: I have a small-OEM licensed machine (white box) right now where the MB manufacturer is no longer making ANY MBs. I hope they take that as a reason for switching manufacturers. Rick Glazier From: Gary VanderMolen Yes, it is important to stress that the replacement motherboard is the nearest equivalent you could find. ;-) - Original Message - equivalent being the keyword, what they need to know regardless. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- When all else fails, dig out the dusty user's manual.
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
I read that the OEM version is tied to the BIOS, so whilst folks changing HD's and such in retail systems were getting prompted to re-activate, that does not happen in the OEM one. So changing out hardware is easier, but yeah, since it's tied to the BIOS, I guess you are stuck with that Mobo from what I understand. OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ? I would think not but not my sandbox. :'( deeper and deeper fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- JRS[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... ...Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult...
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
Once mb bios identification tag changes, they consider that the end of the oem lic. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:51:12 To:The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe I read that the OEM version is tied to the BIOS, so whilst folks changing HD's and such in retail systems were getting prompted to re-activate, that does not happen in the OEM one. So changing out hardware is easier, but yeah, since it's tied to the BIOS, I guess you are stuck with that Mobo from what I understand. OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ? I would think not but not my sandbox. :'( deeper and deeper fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- JRS[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult...
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
Although the EULA rules are fairly restrictive, if you'll call the activation number, you will probably get a sympathetic rep who is likely to accommodate you. You are more apt to be successful if it's a straight replacement for a defective motherboard, and not an upgraded motherboard. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ?
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
I had to reactivate vista just my increasing the size of the partition on a install on a 250gb drive that was partitioned 200 initially. I thought weird. Being the OEM I should have the option to update the MB when the original one is not available. whole thing is getting worse. fp At 06:51 PM 8/31/2007, JRS Poked the stick with: I read that the OEM version is tied to the BIOS, so whilst folks changing HD's and such in retail systems were getting prompted to re-activate, that does not happen in the OEM one. So changing out hardware is easier, but yeah, since it's tied to the BIOS, I guess you are stuck with that Mobo from what I understand. OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ? I would think not but not my sandbox. :'( deeper and deeper fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- JRS[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... ...Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Childish Game: One at which your spouse beats you.
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
so the sw id's the bios during install, how greedy is that. what about a bios update. fp At 07:17 PM 8/31/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poked the stick with: Once mb bios identification tag changes, they consider that the end of the oem lic. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:51:12 To:The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe I read that the OEM version is tied to the BIOS, so whilst folks changing HD's and such in retail systems were getting prompted to re-activate, that does not happen in the OEM one. So changing out hardware is easier, but yeah, since it's tied to the BIOS, I guess you are stuck with that Mobo from what I understand. OEM license states can not be transfered to another machine once installed, would a major HW change ( motherboard ) be construed as a different machine ? I would think not but not my sandbox. :'( deeper and deeper fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- JRS[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Childish Game: One at which your spouse beats you.
Re: [H] Vista, dumb question, maybe
There are different types of OEM Windows disks. (That makes this a hard topic to discuss...) Dell ( big OEMs) use BIOS locked installs, and they never need activation. The small White Box builders use something more like a slightly limited version of the Retail disks (FPP), and they DO require activation... (I run both -- FPP and small OEM types here...) With a DELL BIOS upgrade, they include the BIOS lock stuff with the MB, or the FLASH, or do not overwrite that part... (Just like BootBlocks are seldom? overwritten by default, (at least in my Award BIOSs...) Rick Glazier From: FORC5 so the sw id's the bios during install, how greedy is that. what about a bios update. At 07:17 PM 8/31/2007, tmservo: Once mb bios identification tag changes, they consider that the end of the oem lic.
