Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
Although, the WDC TLER is a good feature I am concerned how WDC drive are having Firmware issues on their higher capacity drives. Yes It seems WDC is having the same issue that Seagate had (Has), just Seagate had the balls to tell the media about it. If you are looking for 1TB drive take a look at the 1st or 2nd generation of the Samsung Spinpoint drives. I have only have had a hand full of the drives come in for recovery and they were relatively easy to repair, not like the Seagate or WDC drives. Just my 2 copper of info, Tim Lider Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com mailto:timli...@adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:46 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, quiet and cool to put into my system to take over for a 250GB and 350GB drive I have that aren't in raid. I'm thinking 2x 1TB drives and setting them up as RAID-1. It's going into my system which has 4 drives relatively close together. The WD Caviar I was looking at for $104 at newegg has some feature called deep recovery cycle which causes it to drop out of raid. http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1397 p_created=1131638613 I'd prefer to pay as close to $200 as possible for the 2 drives, but if I can't get anything that low or any quality for that low of a price, I'm willing to go higher. What do you guys recommend now for drives? I've got a pair of seagate 7200.11 750GB drives in this computer, I suppose I could go with another pair of those, I've been happy with them but they aren't super fast or quiet. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #205: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
I've been running 4 x Samsung F1 spinpoints in a RAID5 for a few months now. Quite quiet, very fast and no problems yet *touches wood* Can fault them so far but depending on how crucial your data is and whether you run them 24/7 it might be worth paying the premium for the WD Enterprise drivesthey would probably take you well over budget though. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider Sent: 30 April 2009 15:39 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? Although, the WDC TLER is a good feature I am concerned how WDC drive are having Firmware issues on their higher capacity drives. Yes It seems WDC is having the same issue that Seagate had (Has), just Seagate had the balls to tell the media about it. If you are looking for 1TB drive take a look at the 1st or 2nd generation of the Samsung Spinpoint drives. I have only have had a hand full of the drives come in for recovery and they were relatively easy to repair, not like the Seagate or WDC drives. Just my 2 copper of info, Tim Lider Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com mailto:timli...@adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:46 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, quiet and cool to put into my system to take over for a 250GB and 350GB drive I have that aren't in raid. I'm thinking 2x 1TB drives and setting them up as RAID-1. It's going into my system which has 4 drives relatively close together. The WD Caviar I was looking at for $104 at newegg has some feature called deep recovery cycle which causes it to drop out of raid. http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid= 1397 p_created=1131638613 I'd prefer to pay as close to $200 as possible for the 2 drives, but if I can't get anything that low or any quality for that low of a price, I'm willing to go higher. What do you guys recommend now for drives? I've got a pair of seagate 7200.11 750GB drives in this computer, I suppose I could go with another pair of those, I've been happy with them but they aren't super fast or quiet. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #205: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. Clifford Chance LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England Wales under number OC323571. The firm's registered office and principal place of business is at 10 Upper Bank Street, London, E14 5JJ. For further details, including a list of members and their professional qualifications, see our website at www.cliffordchance.com. The firm uses the word 'partner' to refer to a member of Clifford Chance LLP or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. The firm is regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. The Authority's rules can be accessed by clicking on the following link: http://www.sra.org.uk/code-of-conduct.page Clifford Chance as a global firm regularly shares client and/or matter-related data among its different offices and support entities in strict compliance with internal control policies and statutory requirements. Incoming and outgoing email communications may be monitored by Clifford Chance, as permitted by applicable law and regulations. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, jason.to...@cliffordchance.com wrote: I've been running 4 x Samsung F1 spinpoints in a RAID5 for a few months now. Quite quiet, very fast and no problems yet *touches wood* Can fault them so far but depending on how crucial your data is and whether you run them 24/7 it might be worth paying the premium for the WD Enterprise drivesthey would probably take you well over budget though. Yeah, about $100 over budget, on a $200 budget is a lot. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider Sent: 30 April 2009 15:39 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? Although, the WDC TLER is a good feature I am concerned how WDC drive are having Firmware issues on their higher capacity drives. Yes It seems WDC is having the same issue that Seagate had (Has), just Seagate had the balls to tell the media about it. If you are looking for 1TB drive take a look at the 1st or 2nd generation of the Samsung Spinpoint drives. I have only have had a hand full of the drives come in for recovery and they were relatively easy to repair, not like the Seagate or WDC drives. Just my 2 copper of info, Tim Lider Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com mailto:timli...@adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:46 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, quiet and cool to put into my system to take over for a 250GB and 350GB drive I have that aren't in raid. I'm thinking 2x 1TB drives and setting them up as RAID-1. It's going into my system which has 4 drives relatively close together. The WD Caviar I was looking at for $104 at newegg has some feature called deep recovery cycle which causes it to drop out of raid. http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid= 1397 p_created=1131638613 I'd prefer to pay as close to $200 as possible for the 2 drives, but if I can't get anything that low or any quality for that low of a price, I'm willing to go higher. What do you guys recommend now for drives? I've got a pair of seagate 7200.11 750GB drives in this computer, I suppose I could go with another pair of those, I've been happy with them but they aren't super fast or quiet. Christopher Fisk -- You know, Moe, my mom once said something that really stuck with me. She said, `Homer, you're a big disappointment,' and, God bless her soul, she was really onto something. -- Homer Simpson There's No Disgrace Like Home -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
[H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, quiet and cool to put into my system to take over for a 250GB and 350GB drive I have that aren't in raid. I'm thinking 2x 1TB drives and setting them up as RAID-1. It's going into my system which has 4 drives relatively close together. The WD Caviar I was looking at for $104 at newegg has some feature called deep recovery cycle which causes it to drop out of raid. http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1397p_created=1131638613 I'd prefer to pay as close to $200 as possible for the 2 drives, but if I can't get anything that low or any quality for that low of a price, I'm willing to go higher. What do you guys recommend now for drives? I've got a pair of seagate 7200.11 750GB drives in this computer, I suppose I could go with another pair of those, I've been happy with them but they aren't super fast or quiet. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #205: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
I wanted a good warranty for the drives in my RAID setup, so I have a pair of WD Black 1Tb drives in one NAS and a pair of Seagate 1 Tb drives in the other. Both are 5 yr warranty drives... The WD's are only 104 bucks right now at NewEgg. The Netgear came with one Seagate, so I bought the matching drive for it, otherwise it would have 2 of the WD Blacks in it as well. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. From: Christopher Fisk chr...@mhonline.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:46:00 AM Subject: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, quiet and cool to put into my system to take over for a 250GB and 350GB drive I have that aren't in raid. I'm thinking 2x 1TB drives and setting them up as RAID-1. It's going into my system which has 4 drives relatively close together. The WD Caviar I was looking at for $104 at newegg has some feature called deep recovery cycle which causes it to drop out of raid. http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1397p_created=1131638613 I'd prefer to pay as close to $200 as possible for the 2 drives, but if I can't get anything that low or any quality for that low of a price, I'm willing to go higher. What do you guys recommend now for drives? I've got a pair of seagate 7200.11 750GB drives in this computer, I suppose I could go with another pair of those, I've been happy with them but they aren't super fast or quiet. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #205: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: I wanted a good warranty for the drives in my RAID setup, so I have a pair of WD Black 1Tb drives in one NAS and a pair of Seagate 1 Tb drives in the other. Both are 5 yr warranty drives... The WD's are only 104 bucks right now at NewEgg. The Netgear came with one Seagate, so I bought the matching drive for it, otherwise it would have 2 of the WD Blacks in it as well. :) I was looking at the blacks, mentioned it in my post I thought. The issue I have with that is that WD says not to use them in a raid because of the Deep Recovery Cycle. I assume if the drive is going into deep recovery cycle they are getting close to death anyways and I shouldn't notice any problems? Christopher Fisk -- [Brian is working as a guide dog and has taken a blind man to see The Blair Witch Project] Brian: Okay, they're - they're in the woods. The camera keeps on moving. Uh... I think they're looking for some witch or something; I don't know, I wasn't listening. Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. Something about a map. Nothing's happening. It's over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
Hmm. I guess I am unaware of this Deep Recovery Cycle. I bought them since they seemed to be dependable drive from what I read... Mine have been flawless so far. This description makes them sound pretty good... The Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB Hard Drive is top-of-the-line 7200 RPM high-capacity drive for your PC. Its dual processors and breakthrough 32 MB cache makes this hard drive suitable for high-performance home and business computing, as it can handle high-end data-intensive and multimedia applications. This hard drive incorporates WD’s Data Lifeguard, an exclusive set of data protection features, including shock protection, environmental protection, real-time embedded error detection and repair. Its mechanism ensures automatic discovery, isolation, and repair of problems which may develop in a hard drive. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. From: Christopher Fisk chr...@mhonline.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: I wanted a good warranty for the drives in my RAID setup, so I have a pair of WD Black 1Tb drives in one NAS and a pair of Seagate 1 Tb drives in the other. Both are 5 yr warranty drives... The WD's are only 104 bucks right now at NewEgg. The Netgear came with one Seagate, so I bought the matching drive for it, otherwise it would have 2 of the WD Blacks in it as well. :) I was looking at the blacks, mentioned it in my post I thought. The issue I have with that is that WD says not to use them in a raid because of the Deep Recovery Cycle. I assume if the drive is going into deep recovery cycle they are getting close to death anyways and I shouldn't notice any problems? Christopher Fisk -- [Brian is working as a guide dog and has taken a blind man to see The Blair Witch Project] Brian: Okay, they're - they're in the woods. The camera keeps on moving. Uh... I think they're looking for some witch or something; I don't know, I wasn't listening. Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. Something about a map. Nothing's happening. It's over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: protection, real-time embedded error detection and repair. Its The real-time embedded error detection and repair is the deep recovery cycle thing I was talking about. Essentially it puts the drive into error mode for upto 30 seconds, which if the raid controller is trying to talk to it is long enough to cause it to be dropped from the array. I like the price point though. If they end up giving me problems in raid if I get them I'll just use them without raid. I just was given 2 older servers with 3TB worth of SCSI enterprise drives in each in a raid-5 configuration. I suppose I can toss that server in an out of the way area and just do network backups. Christopher Fisk -- Kirk: One day your wife is making you your favorite meal, the next day you're thawin'a hot dog in a gas station sink. Homer: Oh, that's tough, pal. But it's never gonna happen to me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
I'm very happy with the 1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1s I have in my RAID. Currently using 5 of them. On 4/29/09, Christopher Fisk chr...@mhonline.net wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: protection, real-time embedded error detection and repair. Its The real-time embedded error detection and repair is the deep recovery cycle thing I was talking about. Essentially it puts the drive into error mode for upto 30 seconds, which if the raid controller is trying to talk to it is long enough to cause it to be dropped from the array. I like the price point though. If they end up giving me problems in raid if I get them I'll just use them without raid. I just was given 2 older servers with 3TB worth of SCSI enterprise drives in each in a raid-5 configuration. I suppose I can toss that server in an out of the way area and just do network backups. Christopher Fisk -- Kirk: One day your wife is making you your favorite meal, the next day you're thawin'a hot dog in a gas station sink. Homer:Oh, that's tough, pal. But it's never gonna happen to me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
You might search around for the TLER utility. TLER (Time Limited Error Recovery) is the feature on their RAID Edition (RE) drives that limits the time that they will spend attempting to read/write a bad sector to 7 seconds. The idea is to tell the controller that the sector is bad and let it recover it based on redundant data, rather than have the whole drive drop. I haven't played with WD's absolute latest drives, but you could run the TLER utility on their older desktop-line drives to enable it. All 12 of the WD5000AAKS drives in my RAID6 array have the TLER set to 7 seconds. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:13 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: protection, real-time embedded error detection and repair. Its The real-time embedded error detection and repair is the deep recovery cycle thing I was talking about. Essentially it puts the drive into error mode for upto 30 seconds, which if the raid controller is trying to talk to it is long enough to cause it to be dropped from the array. I like the price point though. If they end up giving me problems in raid if I get them I'll just use them without raid. I just was given 2 older servers with 3TB worth of SCSI enterprise drives in each in a raid-5 configuration. I suppose I can toss that server in an out of the way area and just do network backups. Christopher Fisk -- Kirk: One day your wife is making you your favorite meal, the next day you're thawin'a hot dog in a gas station sink. Homer:Oh, that's tough, pal. But it's never gonna happen to me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
