[H] Win7 Super Long Backups?
Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it should). This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each successive time it should only copy those files which have changed. So unless a large portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be fine. It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the backup. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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But that's always been the case with incremental backups. I've backed this stuff up before under XP and it was never this slow...this is beyond ridiculous. Also, it takes forever to find how to turn the exact image off, which it does by default along with a regular backup, on the first time. MS just went way stoopid on this. I've basically lost two days fooling with this. Imagine how the restore would be. A complete backup/restore using Windows 7 would take a damn week on any modern hard drive that has zillions of jpegs and videos. This cannot stand. BTW, I've been googling after I first posted...this is all over the net now. Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it should). This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each successive time it should only copy those files which have changed. So unless a large portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be fine. It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the backup. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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I found this: Under Windows 7 RTM, I can use file copy to copy 250GB of files to my external eSata drive in about one hour at 72 MB/s. When I try to use Windows Backup, it takes 14 hours to backup the same amount of data (i.e. about 5 MB/s). It looks like Windows 7 is trying to compress each file individually and is doing alot of Random Disk I/O. How can I speed up Windows 7 Windows Backup to get anywhere near approaching the 72 MB/s from a straight file copy? Are there any advanced options (e.g. in the Registry) that can be changed to improve this terrible performance? Having being forced by the OS to discontinue the previous use of reliable Tape backup via NTBackup, this is being to look like a conspiracy to force users to go and buy real Backup software from the likes of Semantec rather use the rapidly dwindling and increasing noddy backup options provided by Microsoft. This is exactly what I am finding. I probably should use Windows Easy Transfer as it is more like a file-to-file copy. Now, if I kill this, all of the last 30 hours will be wasted, and I still 20% more to go! And this was meant to be an extra backup! What exactly are beta testers doing for MS these days? Aren't they giving meaningful feedback any more? Is MS just living in a world all by itself? I hate to be a hater...but DAMN! Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: But that's always been the case with incremental backups. I've backed this stuff up before under XP and it was never this slow...this is beyond ridiculous. Also, it takes forever to find how to turn the exact image off, which it does by default along with a regular backup, on the first time. MS just went way stoopid on this. I've basically lost two days fooling with this. Imagine how the restore would be. A complete backup/restore using Windows 7 would take a damn week on any modern hard drive that has zillions of jpegs and videos. This cannot stand. BTW, I've been googling after I first posted...this is all over the net now. Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it should). This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each successive time it should only copy those files which have changed. So unless a large portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be fine. It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the backup. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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Anyone use Paragon Backup? I'm testing it now on my other PC now. With this, one can do uncompressed backups (not possible with Win7 backup). http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-express/ This version is free, too. Seems full featured so far Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: I found this: Under Windows 7 RTM, I can use file copy to copy 250GB of files to my external eSata drive in about one hour at 72 MB/s. When I try to use Windows Backup, it takes 14 hours to backup the same amount of data (i.e. about 5 MB/s). It looks like Windows 7 is trying to compress each file individually and is doing alot of Random Disk I/O. How can I speed up Windows 7 Windows Backup to get anywhere near approaching the 72 MB/s from a straight file copy? Are there any advanced options (e.g. in the Registry) that can be changed to improve this terrible performance? Having being forced by the OS to discontinue the previous use of reliable Tape backup via NTBackup, this is being to look like a conspiracy to force users to go and buy real Backup software from the likes of Semantec rather use the rapidly dwindling and increasing noddy backup options provided by Microsoft. This is exactly what I am finding. I probably should use Windows Easy Transfer as it is more like a file-to-file copy. Now, if I kill this, all of the last 30 hours will be wasted, and I still 20% more to go! And this was meant to be an extra backup! What exactly are beta testers doing for MS these days? Aren't they giving meaningful feedback any more? Is MS just living in a world all by itself? I hate to be a hater...but DAMN! Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: But that's always been the case with incremental backups. I've backed this stuff up before under XP and it was never this slow...this is beyond ridiculous. Also, it takes forever to find how to turn the exact image off, which it does by default along with a regular backup, on the first time. MS just went way stoopid on this. I've basically lost two days fooling with this. Imagine how the restore would be. A complete backup/restore using Windows 7 would take a damn week on any modern hard drive that has zillions of jpegs and videos. This cannot stand. BTW, I've been googling after I first posted...this is all over the net now. Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it should). This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each successive time it should only copy those files which have changed. So unless a large portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be fine. It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the backup. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?
HDD today is cheap. Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole things to the drive. My backup experience start from - CD-ROM - DVD-ROM - USB HD - now SATA Drive At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just one. I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work. After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB HDD that is on SATA. Garind P gar...@centrin.net.id wrote: HDD today is cheap. Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole things to the drive. My backup experience start from - CD-ROM - DVD-ROM - USB HD - now SATA Drive At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup. Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just one. I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work. After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB HDD that is on SATA. Garind P gar...@centrin.net.id wrote: HDD today is cheap. Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole things to the drive. My backup experience start from - CD-ROM - DVD-ROM - USB HD - now SATA Drive At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?
Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are held as a vhd (virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing discs. This keeps backups a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image. But the problem is it doesn't do it the smartest way and tries to compress everything by default. If you've got tons of mp3 or avi/mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little hiccup wil make backups take forever. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups? And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup. Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just one. I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work. After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB HDD that is on SATA. Garind P gar...@centrin.net.id wrote: HDD today is cheap. Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole things to the drive. My backup experience start from - CD-ROM - DVD-ROM - USB HD - now SATA Drive At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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Yes, what I am seeing is consistent with what you state. I must say this caught me off guard. It also shows that I had not been doing my backups, since if I had I would have discovered this and planned better. This is delaying everything and I need to get back to work next week. I don't know why MS has to always toss out weirdness. I guess they are doing their part though, because all of the backup vendors will get business. tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are held as a vhd (virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing discs. This keeps backups a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image. But the problem is it doesn't do it the smartest way and tries to compress everything by default. If you've got tons of mp3 or avi/mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little hiccup wil make backups take forever. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups? And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup. Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just one. I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work. After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB HDD that is on SATA. Garind P gar...@centrin.net.id wrote: HDD today is cheap. Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole things to the drive. My backup experience start from - CD-ROM - DVD-ROM - USB HD - now SATA Drive At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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Anthony - Any way to pare down the data you actually need to backup? I mean, are there a bunch of data files (mp3 and so forth ) that you can just copy to a backup HD or LAN location? I always keep my install and data partitions separate so I can have them backed up in each's most appropriate way. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2010-01-03, at 11:40 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Yes, what I am seeing is consistent with what you state. I must say this caught me off guard. It also shows that I had not been doing my backups, since if I had I would have discovered this and planned better. This is delaying everything and I need to get back to work next week. I don't know why MS has to always toss out weirdness. I guess they are doing their part though, because all of the backup vendors will get business. tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are held as a vhd (virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing discs. This keeps backups a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image. But the problem is it doesn't do it the smartest way and tries to compress everything by default. If you've got tons of mp3 or avi/ mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little hiccup wil make backups take forever. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups? And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup. Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just one. I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work. After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB HDD that is on SATA. Garind P gar...@centrin.net.id wrote: HDD today is cheap. Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole things to the drive. My backup experience start from - CD-ROM - DVD-ROM - USB HD - now SATA Drive At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
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I read somewhere that a simple DEFRAG will trip up some Incremental backups with some vendors programs and make EVERYTHING touched seem like it was NEW, and then be included AS NEW, making VERY large files and long times. I have (regrettably) no actual links or proof of that. Rick Glazier From: tmservo Win7 backup actually does something very different.
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I do keep my MP3s on a separate external HD (and backed up on several other computers, so I don't typically back them up)...however, they are linked in the music library...and Windows 7 follows that link...so now it is backing up mp3s from one external HD to another oneargh! And it just crawlsCPU usage is from 4 to 24%, memory is like 44%...system is basically idle while WinDose7 takes its time...I'm at 92% complete now...this started at 5:19pm yesterday...it's 1:48p now...I wonder if it will take longer than 24 hrs or not. Anyone want to bet on the actual finish time? :) Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony - Any way to pare down the data you actually need to backup? I mean, are there a bunch of data files (mp3 and so forth ) that you can just copy to a backup HD or LAN location? I always keep my install and data partitions separate so I can have them backed up in each's most appropriate way. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2010-01-03, at 11:40 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Yes, what I am seeing is consistent with what you state. I must say this caught me off guard. It also shows that I had not been doing my backups, since if I had I would have discovered this and planned better. This is delaying everything and I need to get back to work next week. I don't know why MS has to always toss out weirdness. I guess they are doing their part though, because all of the backup vendors will get business. tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are held as a vhd (virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing discs. This keeps backups a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image. But the problem is it doesn't do it the smartest way and tries to compress everything by default. If you've got tons of mp3 or avi/ mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little hiccup wil make backups take forever. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups? And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup. Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just one. I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work. After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB HDD that is on SATA. Garind P gar...@centrin.net.id wrote: HDD today is cheap. Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole things to the drive. My backup experience start from - CD-ROM - DVD-ROM - USB HD - now SATA Drive At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD. Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours! Still only at 78% done. Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over. Is this right?
