Fw: [hardware] [H] Installer on startup
- Original Message - From: "Wayne Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "The Hardware List" hardware@hardwaregroup.comSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:40 PMSubject: Re: [hardware] [H] Installer on startup One can always install the HP drivers without installing the apps but it has to be done manually as there is no install for this. I did it with my HP720 years ago again with the G55 that I have now so there is no bloat.Do you remember awhile back I was asking on one list for the media for Windows XP Media Center Edition? Some of yall frowned because I was technically violating the Microsoft rules.I do clean installs on name brand computers, not the loaded install the name brand manufacturer does. Since nobody offered me the media (I did not want any Product Key as that would be illegal) I purchased a Windows XP Media Center Edition kit from my supplier, ASI.A dead HP Media Center Edition m480n computer came in last night. I rebuilt that rascal. I used a new Enlight case with a 450 watt power supply (replacing the HP 200 watt power supply), a new Asus P4P800 SE motherboard, the customer's P4 3.2 GHz CPU, the customer's RAM plus one stick to upgrade to 1024 MB, the customer's video card, the customer's modem, a new Seagate 250 GB hard drive, the customer's CD/DVD ROM and Writing devices and the customer's Asus TV tuner card with Conexant chips on it.Look at the massive hardware changes I did on that HP. Note that all customer furnished parts were original HP in that m480n except the DVD ROM and the DVD Writer. The customer had already changed these out after realizing that Hewlett Packard installs cheap components that do not meet the needs of most power users.My point here is that when I went to authenticate the clean install of Windows XP Media Center Edition it went right through! I did not even have to call Microsoft! I have to call Microsoft to authenticate clean installs on most name brand computers, even when there is absolutely no hardware changes. Rarely do I have to call Microsoft when I authenticate the installation of Windows on a rebuild job, no matter how many components I replace. At a minimum, I replace the case and the motherboard, as these are the ONLY hardware components that tag any computer as a proprietary name brand computer. I always use the Product Key that appears on the COA affixed to the name brand computer.My question here is does anyone have the drivers for the Asus TV card that is installed in these HP Media Center computers? This is the only hardware that I can not find drivers for. The HP site offers only the restore software. Driverguide.com did no better for me. Belarc Advisor, Driver Detective and others simply do not list devices that have no drivers, yet they are listed in Device Manager. I can not even identify the TV card properly. I attached the Belarc Advisor results. I do not know if this list allows attachments such as this. If the attachment is allowed it will come in another message (if approved by the moderators).Is there any software that will identify all hardware, even the hardware that is not properly installed due to lack of drivers?Any advice on this will be appreciated.Chuck
Re: [hardware] [H] Installer on startup
Nope and nope. I tried a bunch of those start up programs. None worked. However, I did manage to find out what was going on and how to stop it. First, it's related to a HP AIO install gone wrong. All one has to do is locate the msi's on the disc and then run them from there and they finally install and go away. It was looking for trayapp.msi and AIOsoftware.msi, the latter gave me a clue where to look. Problem solved. This appears to have effected a lot of HP users so be on the lookout down the road! Wayne Johnson wrote: When you run Silent_Runners.vbs it doesn't give you a clue ? I suppose you could open the script file up in notepad see where it's looking but it's pretty thorough. Thane Sherrington (S) wrote: Have you tried Autoruns? http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Autoruns.html -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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At 12:49 PM 16/02/2006, joeuser wrote: Nope and nope. I tried a bunch of those start up programs. None worked. However, I did manage to find out what was going on and how to stop it. First, it's related to a HP AIO install gone wrong. All one has to do is locate the msi's on the disc and then run them from there and they finally install and go away. It was looking for trayapp.msi and AIOsoftware.msi, the latter gave me a clue where to look. Problem solved. This appears to have effected a lot of HP users so be on the lookout down the road! Oh yeah, I've run into that. If you remove the HP applications from the startup group, the problem goes away. Or you can reinstall as you did. T
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Does that goof anything up when you remove them? I was reluctant to remove any of the HP crap from starting because I didn't want to break the access to the printer. Thane Sherrington (S) wrote: At 12:49 PM 16/02/2006, joeuser wrote: Nope and nope. I tried a bunch of those start up programs. None worked. However, I did manage to find out what was going on and how to stop it. First, it's related to a HP AIO install gone wrong. All one has to do is locate the msi's on the disc and then run them from there and they finally install and go away. It was looking for trayapp.msi and AIOsoftware.msi, the latter gave me a clue where to look. Problem solved. This appears to have effected a lot of HP users so be on the lookout down the road! Oh yeah, I've run into that. If you remove the HP applications from the startup group, the problem goes away. Or you can reinstall as you did. T -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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depends on the printer, my psc 2210 does not need them fp At 10:30 AM 2/16/2006, joeuser Poked the stick with: Does that goof anything up when you remove them? I was reluctant to remove any of the HP crap from starting because I didn't want to break the access to the printer. Thane Sherrington (S) wrote: At 12:49 PM 16/02/2006, joeuser wrote: Nope and nope. I tried a bunch of those start up programs. None worked. However, I did manage to find out what was going on and how to stop it. First, it's related to a HP AIO install gone wrong. All one has to do is locate the msi's on the disc and then run them from there and they finally install and go away. It was looking for trayapp.msi and AIOsoftware.msi, the latter gave me a clue where to look. Problem solved. This appears to have effected a lot of HP users so be on the lookout down the road! Oh yeah, I've run into that. If you remove the HP applications from the startup group, the problem goes away. Or you can reinstall as you did. T -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key) -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- No one can think clearly with clenched fists.
Re: [hardware] [H] Installer on startup
At 01:30 PM 16/02/2006, joeuser wrote: Does that goof anything up when you remove them? I was reluctant to remove any of the HP crap from starting because I didn't want to break the access to the printer. Hasn't in my experience. Why a printer requires programs in startup is beyond me. T
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Yeah, that's why I like canon printers, less software bloat. Thane Sherrington (S) wrote: At 01:30 PM 16/02/2006, joeuser wrote: Does that goof anything up when you remove them? I was reluctant to remove any of the HP crap from starting because I didn't want to break the access to the printer. Hasn't in my experience. Why a printer requires programs in startup is beyond me. T -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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At 03:42 PM 16/02/2006, joeuser wrote: Yeah, that's why I like canon printers, less software bloat. I didn't know that. Good to know. T
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At 02:42 PM 2/16/2006, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: Hasn't in my experience. Why a printer requires programs in startup is beyond me. One can always install the HP drivers without installing the apps but it has to be done manually as there is no install for this. I did it with my HP720 years ago again with the G55 that I have now so there is no bloat. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
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use a freebie like StartUpRun to see whats what. http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/strun.html - Original Message - From: joeuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardware LIST hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: [hardware] [H] Installer on startup Got a Win2K machine in the shop here. Every time it starts up it tries to install some apps. Since the media for the apps is not present it will not install and take multiple cancels attempts before it goes away. Searched the registry and the autoexec and stuff and still I cannot find where these apps are being called from. Any ideas? I would install the apps just to make it go away, but the customer doesn't know what they are or how they got on in the first place. -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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Yeah nice utility but didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. These installers are trying to install software and the place they are being called from isn't found in the usual suspects (like start up dir, run areas in the reg, etc) Someone has to know how to keep these friggin things from installing Steve wrote: use a freebie like StartUpRun to see whats what. http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/strun.html - Original Message - From: joeuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardware LIST hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: [hardware] [H] Installer on startup Got a Win2K machine in the shop here. Every time it starts up it tries to install some apps. Since the media for the apps is not present it will not install and take multiple cancels attempts before it goes away. Searched the registry and the autoexec and stuff and still I cannot find where these apps are being called from. Any ideas? I would install the apps just to make it go away, but the customer doesn't know what they are or how they got on in the first place. -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key) -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
