RE: [H] Understanding Conroe
With the right board, you can use lower multipliers on the non-extreme version if you are after high FSBs (I run my E6600 at 7 x 466 for example and get some great scores). The one thing to remember if you overclock with a 965 (and possibly 975) board is that the north bridge FSB = FSB x Original Multiplier/Current Multiplier This can put a lot of stress on the north bridge. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: 21 September 2006 22:02 To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Understanding Conroe I suspect that this is because people who decide to upgrade , two years into their current rig, rather then buy new, want the fastest processor that their board supports. I'm betting that it has more to do with the fact that XE series chips have unlocked multipliers, making them good candidates for overclocking and specialty projects. Greg *** This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. This firm is not authorised by the Financial Services Authority. However, we are included on the Register maintained by the Financial Services Authority so that we can carry on insurance mediation activity in the UK, which is broadly the advising on, selling and administration of insurance contracts. This part of our business, including arrangements for complaints or redress if something goes wrong, is regulated by The Law Society. The Register can be accessed via the Financial Services Authority website at www.fsa.gov.uk/register.
Re: [H] Understanding Conroe
And both of these north bridges are already damn hot Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:01:23 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Understanding Conroe With the right board, you can use lower multipliers on the non-extreme version if you are after high FSBs (I run my E6600 at 7 x 466 for example and get some great scores). The one thing to remember if you overclock with a 965 (and possibly 975) board is that the north bridge FSB = FSB x Original Multiplier/Current Multiplier This can put a lot of stress on the north bridge. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: 21 September 2006 22:02 To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Understanding Conroe I suspect that this is because people who decide to upgrade , two years into their current rig, rather then buy new, want the fastest processor that their board supports. I'm betting that it has more to do with the fact that XE series chips have unlocked multipliers, making them good candidates for overclocking and specialty projects. Greg *** This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. This firm is not authorised by the Financial Services Authority. However, we are included on the Register maintained by the Financial Services Authority so that we can carry on insurance mediation activity in the UK, which is broadly the advising on, selling and administration of insurance contracts. This part of our business, including arrangements for complaints or redress if something goes wrong, is regulated by The Law Society. The Register can be accessed via the Financial Services Authority website at www.fsa.gov.uk/register.
RE: [H] Understanding Conroe
From: Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Understanding Conroe Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:00:20 -0700 I am going to be updating my P4 3.4 box to a Conroe setup in the next six months. The only thing I'm waiting for is for things to shake out, and seasoned boards to appear. But there are some things I am not clear about. I am currently using a dual Xeon 3.06 @ 533FSB as my primary workstation. Does a single dual core, Conroe processor have the same responsiveness as two physical processors? Core2 should be percievably faster. Does it have the same independence... i.e. no single out of control process can bring down the system? That's more an OS issue than a CPU and how it utilizes two CPUs. Core2 will not be any less reliable in this regard. For RAM I need DDR-2 capable of supporting 1066MHz FSB ? Core2's fsb is 1066Mhz. The memory supported by core2 compatible chipsets go as high as DDR2-800.
RE: [H] Understanding Conroe
Nope, just 800 for now. Look for DDR2 PC6400. All in all, due to Conroe's vastly superior IPC, your dual 3.06 would probably be bested by even an E6300. What is extreme about the extreme that makes them cost so much more For example = Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz LGA 775 - Retail at Newegg is a grand. Which is something I might do if it performs like two physical processors. But it is twice the price of an Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor - Retail why?
RE: [H] Understanding Conroe
Because top binned parts from both AMD and Intel are always $1k (currently FX-62 and X6800). When the quad-core Kentsfield is released in November, it should also be at the $1k spot. The XE series have historically had unlocked multipliers, which of course is very useful if you intend to overclock. What is extreme about the extreme that makes them cost so much more For example = Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz LGA 775 - Retail at Newegg is a grand. Which is something I might do if it performs like two physical processors. But it is twice the price of an Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor - Retail why?
RE: [H] Understanding Conroe
It's faster :) Nothing different about it other than 300 more mhz. The smart buy is to get the cheapest model with 4MB of L2 cache, they overclock well if you're into that sort of thing, if not you're still getting 80-90% of the performance of the Extreme for 1/4th the cost. From: Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Understanding Conroe Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:52:01 -0700 Nope, just 800 for now. Look for DDR2 PC6400. All in all, due to Conroe's vastly superior IPC, your dual 3.06 would probably be bested by even an E6300. What is extreme about the extreme that makes them cost so much more For example = Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz LGA 775 - Retail at Newegg is a grand. Which is something I might do if it performs like two physical processors. But it is twice the price of an Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor - Retail why?
Re: [H] Understanding Conroe
And in high demand! We went through about 5 builds just last week that were x6800 Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless -Original Message- From: Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:16:12 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Understanding Conroe It's faster :) Nothing different about it other than 300 more mhz. The smart buy is to get the cheapest model with 4MB of L2 cache, they overclock well if you're into that sort of thing, if not you're still getting 80-90% of the performance of the Extreme for 1/4th the cost. From: Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Understanding Conroe Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:52:01 -0700 Nope, just 800 for now. Look for DDR2 PC6400. All in all, due to Conroe's vastly superior IPC, your dual 3.06 would probably be bested by even an E6300. What is extreme about the extreme that makes them cost so much more For example = Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz LGA 775 - Retail at Newegg is a grand. Which is something I might do if it performs like two physical processors. But it is twice the price of an Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor - Retail why?
Re: [H] Understanding Conroe
At 01:19 PM 9/21/2006, you wrote: And in high demand! We went through about 5 builds just last week that were x6800 Oddly enough, extreme editions hold there value in the used (Ebay) market place far better then standard processor. I have been tracking P4 3.4 extreme editions on Ebay for a few months, more out of curiosity then any thing else. I am shocked by how much people are paying for these...anywhere from 450 to 750! I suspect that this is because people who decide to upgrade , two years into their current rig, rather then buy new, want the fastest processor that their board supports. Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless -Original Message- From: Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:16:12 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Understanding Conroe It's faster :) Nothing different about it other than 300 more mhz. The smart buy is to get the cheapest model with 4MB of L2 cache, they overclock well if you're into that sort of thing, if not you're still getting 80-90% of the performance of the Extreme for 1/4th the cost. From: Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Understanding Conroe Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:52:01 -0700 Nope, just 800 for now. Look for DDR2 PC6400. All in all, due to Conroe's vastly superior IPC, your dual 3.06 would probably be bested by even an E6300. What is extreme about the extreme that makes them cost so much more For example = Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz LGA 775 - Retail at Newegg is a grand. Which is something I might do if it performs like two physical processors. But it is twice the price of an Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor - Retail why?
RE: [H] Understanding Conroe
I suspect that this is because people who decide to upgrade , two years into their current rig, rather then buy new, want the fastest processor that their board supports. I'm betting that it has more to do with the fact that XE series chips have unlocked multipliers, making them good candidates for overclocking and specialty projects. Greg
