Re: [H] Brief comment: 780G
Bit-tech.net did a roundup of micro-ATX mobos for HTPC use with built-in video. While the boards were fine, unfortunately the results showed that none of the on-board solutions could handle Blu-Ray or HD-DVD decoding. So basically, either wait for the next gen, buy a video card, or just use a set top box: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/02/05/home_theatre_pc_motherboards_feb_08/1 On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is accurate, this is by far the best IGP for HTPC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_700_chipset_series#Integrated_graphics AMD/ATI right now clearly has the superior IGP for hardware accelerated H.264 and VC-1, plus superior post processing vs NVidia's VP2 generation. Intel may as well just scrap the G35 and rethink their plans for G45. I like the direction these things are going - these are now legit players in a growing market and they can focus on HTPC and abandon the idea of trying to get an IGP to play Crysis at reasonable FPS :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:24:15 -0600 Subject: [H] Brief comment: 780G Ok, so now that it's out, I can say a few things: (1) The 780G on AMD's end is maybe one of the more impressive chipsets I've seen in a very long time. We've been giving it a run on a few of our monitors using the Asus MB, and have found it pretty stunning what kind of performance you can get. Even using a simple (read: CHEAP) 3800+ X2, we had no problems running BlueRay discs at full acceleration to a 61 Samsung DLP. Video is fast, smooth, and power usage is very low.. (2) Putting this thing in a micro case works, which is an advantage. (3) I'm not sure about the market for Oh, combine to a 3450 and do Hybrid SLI. First, it only works under Vista SP1, which will be primarily new PCS (fine, and BTW, when it is available to public download it's worth it) (4) Now we have to see what Intel responds with. Nvidia's already kind of boned themselves, the 9800 series is delayed (AGAIN), and the 8200 IGP is both behind and, by their projections will be at least 15% slower then the 780G. Intel's G35 looks particularly putrid in comparison For those looking to do a Media Center box, this is the best combo I've seen. The chipset has it all - Full HDMI 1.3 support with DTS Master Audio, TrueHD capability, Blueray decoding at low CPU usage on even a cheap ass CPU, and tons of SATA ports for drives. While AMD has been in the doldrums on their CPU side, it's good to see something positive over there going on. CW _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
Re: [H] Brief comment: 780G
Yeah, um, that's the point. None of those is the 780G. It's a 690G, a 7100, and a G35. Benchmarks show the 780G is roughly 4 times faster then the G35, and more then double the 7100. And, having tested it, using 1080P, I get nothing but extremely fluid blueray playback. That's the whole reason why I started the thread, to point out that the 780G significantly alters the way people think about onboard video solutions. Others seem to agree: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/05/780g-changes-graphics-game Example: http://www.hothardware.com/articles/AMD_780G_Chipset_and_Athlon_X2_4850e_Preview_/?page=8 Using a 4850e AMD Chip (their new low voltage CPU, so think about it around a 4000+ or so) Whereas the G35 is at 95% CPU usage to try and pull off 1080P, the 780G is around 50%, which is more then passable, because it means that you're almost never going to have flubs in your video. Thus, the game changes. -Original message- From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:30:01 -0800 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Brief comment: 780G Bit-tech.net did a roundup of micro-ATX mobos for HTPC use with built-in video. While the boards were fine, unfortunately the results showed that none of the on-board solutions could handle Blu-Ray or HD-DVD decoding. So basically, either wait for the next gen, buy a video card, or just use a set top box: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/02/05/home_theatre_pc_motherboards_feb_08/1 On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is accurate, this is by far the best IGP for HTPC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_700_chipset_series#Integrated_graphics AMD/ATI right now clearly has the superior IGP for hardware accelerated H.264 and VC-1, plus superior post processing vs NVidia's VP2 generation. Intel may as well just scrap the G35 and rethink their plans for G45. I like the direction these things are going - these are now legit players in a growing market and they can focus on HTPC and abandon the idea of trying to get an IGP to play Crysis at reasonable FPS :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:24:15 -0600 Subject: [H] Brief comment: 780G Ok, so now that it's out, I can say a few things: (1) The 780G on AMD's end is maybe one of the more impressive chipsets I've seen in a very long time. We've been giving it a run on a few of our monitors using the Asus MB, and have found it pretty stunning what kind of performance you can get. Even using a simple (read: CHEAP) 3800+ X2, we had no problems running BlueRay discs at full acceleration to a 61 Samsung DLP. Video is fast, smooth, and power usage is very low.. (2) Putting this thing in a micro case works, which is an advantage. (3) I'm not sure about the market for Oh, combine to a 3450 and do Hybrid SLI. First, it only works under Vista SP1, which will be primarily new PCS (fine, and BTW, when it is available to public download it's worth it) (4) Now we have to see what Intel responds with. Nvidia's already kind of boned themselves, the 9800 series is delayed (AGAIN), and the 8200 IGP is both behind and, by their projections will be at least 15% slower then the 780G. Intel's G35 looks particularly putrid in comparison For those looking to do a Media Center box, this is the best combo I've seen. The chipset has it all - Full HDMI 1.3 support with DTS Master Audio, TrueHD capability, Blueray decoding at low CPU usage on even a cheap ass CPU, and tons of SATA ports for drives. While AMD has been in the doldrums on their CPU side, it's good to see something positive over there going on. CW _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
Re: [H] Brief comment: 780G
And none of them were using the 780G :) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:30:01 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Brief comment: 780G Bit-tech.net did a roundup of micro-ATX mobos for HTPC use with built-in video. While the boards were fine, unfortunately the results showed that none of the on-board solutions could handle Blu-Ray or HD-DVD decoding. So basically, either wait for the next gen, buy a video card, or just use a set top box: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/02/05/home_theatre_pc_motherboards_feb_08/1 On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Hayes Elkins wrote: If this is accurate, this is by far the best IGP for HTPC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_700_chipset_series#Integrated_graphics AMD/ATI right now clearly has the superior IGP for hardware accelerated H.264 and VC-1, plus superior post processing vs NVidia's VP2 generation. Intel may as well just scrap the G35 and rethink their plans for G45. I like the direction these things are going - these are now legit players in a growing market and they can focus on HTPC and abandon the idea of trying to get an IGP to play Crysis at reasonable FPS :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:24:15 -0600 Subject: [H] Brief comment: 780G Ok, so now that it's out, I can say a few things: (1) The 780G on AMD's end is maybe one of the more impressive chipsets I've seen in a very long time. We've been giving it a run on a few of our monitors using the Asus MB, and have found it pretty stunning what kind of performance you can get. Even using a simple (read: CHEAP) 3800+ X2, we had no problems running BlueRay discs at full acceleration to a 61 Samsung DLP. Video is fast, smooth, and power usage is very low.. (2) Putting this thing in a micro case works, which is an advantage. (3) I'm not sure about the market for Oh, combine to a 3450 and do Hybrid SLI. First, it only works under Vista SP1, which will be primarily new PCS (fine, and BTW, when it is available to public download it's worth it) (4) Now we have to see what Intel responds with. Nvidia's already kind of boned themselves, the 9800 series is delayed (AGAIN), and the 8200 IGP is both behind and, by their projections will be at least 15% slower then the 780G. Intel's G35 looks particularly putrid in comparison For those looking to do a Media Center box, this is the best combo I've seen. The chipset has it all - Full HDMI 1.3 support with DTS Master Audio, TrueHD capability, Blueray decoding at low CPU usage on even a cheap ass CPU, and tons of SATA ports for drives. While AMD has been in the doldrums on their CPU side, it's good to see something positive over there going on. CW _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
Re: [H] Brief comment: 780G
That's pretty sweet. I think I'm still going to go with a set top box for the time being and give this about 6 months or so but it looks very promising. Does it support HDCP? On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, um, that's the point. None of those is the 780G. It's a 690G, a 7100, and a G35. Benchmarks show the 780G is roughly 4 times faster then the G35, and more then double the 7100. And, having tested it, using 1080P, I get nothing but extremely fluid blueray playback. That's the whole reason why I started the thread, to point out that the 780G significantly alters the way people think about onboard video solutions. Others seem to agree: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/05/780g-changes-graphics-game Example: http://www.hothardware.com/articles/AMD_780G_Chipset_and_Athlon_X2_4850e_Preview_/?page=8 Using a 4850e AMD Chip (their new low voltage CPU, so think about it around a 4000+ or so) Whereas the G35 is at 95% CPU usage to try and pull off 1080P, the 780G is around 50%, which is more then passable, because it means that you're almost never going to have flubs in your video. Thus, the game changes. -Original message- From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:30:01 -0800 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Brief comment: 780G Bit-tech.net did a roundup of micro-ATX mobos for HTPC use with built-in video. While the boards were fine, unfortunately the results showed that none of the on-board solutions could handle Blu-Ray or HD-DVD decoding. So basically, either wait for the next gen, buy a video card, or just use a set top box: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/02/05/home_theatre_pc_motherboards_feb_08/1 On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is accurate, this is by far the best IGP for HTPC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_700_chipset_series#Integrated_graphics AMD/ATI right now clearly has the superior IGP for hardware accelerated H.264 and VC-1, plus superior post processing vs NVidia's VP2 generation. Intel may as well just scrap the G35 and rethink their plans for G45. I like the direction these things are going - these are now legit players in a growing market and they can focus on HTPC and abandon the idea of trying to get an IGP to play Crysis at reasonable FPS :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:24:15 -0600 Subject: [H] Brief comment: 780G Ok, so now that it's out, I can say a few things: (1) The 780G on AMD's end is maybe one of the more impressive chipsets I've seen in a very long time. We've been giving it a run on a few of our monitors using the Asus MB, and have found it pretty stunning what kind of performance you can get. Even using a simple (read: CHEAP) 3800+ X2, we had no problems running BlueRay discs at full acceleration to a 61 Samsung DLP. Video is fast, smooth, and power usage is very low.. (2) Putting this thing in a micro case works, which is an advantage. (3) I'm not sure about the market for Oh, combine to a 3450 and do Hybrid SLI. First, it only works under Vista SP1, which will be primarily new PCS (fine, and BTW, when it is available to public download it's worth it) (4) Now we have to see what Intel responds with. Nvidia's already kind of boned themselves, the 9800 series is delayed (AGAIN), and the 8200 IGP is both behind and, by their projections will be at least 15% slower then the 780G. Intel's G35 looks particularly putrid in comparison For those looking to do a Media Center box, this is the best combo I've seen. The chipset has it all - Full HDMI 1.3 support with DTS Master Audio, TrueHD capability, Blueray decoding at low CPU usage on even a cheap ass CPU, and tons of SATA ports for drives. While AMD has been in the doldrums on their CPU side, it's good to see something positive over there going on. CW _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
