Re: [H] Phone-internal?
Support it? It's commonly known that stranded is used for short runs patches made so because it flexes easier and resists metal fatigue of bending without breaking. Go open a wall in your house pull out all the cables. Everything from CAT3 phone line, to RG6 CATV, to Romex will be solid conductor. On 2/10/2010 7:38 PM, Soren wrote: Do you have any links to support this, pls? I'm very interested in this subject, as I work with different types of cables on a daily basis. JRS wrote: Solid CAT5 cable supports longer length runs and works best in fixed wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT5 cable, on the other hand, is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance, movable cabling such as on-the-fly patch cabling.
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
LOL, he's still on DSL Brian! On 2/11/2010 1:14 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote: The way to go: Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Rick Glazier wrote: If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship all over the place then all new is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around people that did bad work. (Still do.) Use the best wire you can afford. FWIW: Redesign the plan... I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from phone junction boxes in my basement. (Pick a better spot? in your crawl space?) I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside, hidden in the bushes (buried in the snow).. Rick Glazier From: DSinc Rick/Forc5, Yes. I recall Cat3. No. I have not tried splitting any feeds.
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
Ding! Ding! Reads like just where I have been.and am. Odd too.. Old technology, but still with us all. Best, Duncan On 02/11/2010 21:25, Rick Glazier wrote: We had a room on a slab. Hard to fish. Cordless works great, but we still have our old wired phones from 25 years ago and are on our third sets of cordless ones... Can't win... Rick Glazier From: Bryan Seitz Phone-internal? The way to go: Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done.
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
For normal in-house wiring to ONLY PHONES Cat-5 or 6 is a little over-kill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable That might be hard to find though and I never priced it. I'm still using the old ATT 4 wire stuff. I bought a 1000' spool of it. My house was pre-wired when built with a 6 or 8 wire cable. The painters for the seller damaged the cable and shoved it in a wall and buried it by patching over it solid with plaster. I have the proper tools to find that sort of thing. Have you tried splitting your feeds (inside the house) and seeing which section has trouble? It is odd that damage occurred, and it would never? involve the entire system and EVERY run of wire. OTOH, it is like formatting a computer. Sometimes a clean sweep is better or easier. My wires are 100% fished, so I have a very hybrid system of wiring... Rick Glazier From: DSinc Phone-internal? I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to replace it. I remain active via a long phone cord thru a window to the TSID (NID box). What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK! Understand. Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have read up about the cross-talk issues in 4-wire systems. Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or multiple-filament type cable?
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
overkill is good but when I wired my new shop I used cat 3 for the phone. fp At 06:02 AM 2/11/2010, Rick Glazier Poked the stick with: For normal in-house wiring to ONLY PHONES Cat-5 or 6 is a little over-kill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable That might be hard to find though and I never priced it. I'm still using the old ATT 4 wire stuff. I bought a 1000' spool of it. My house was pre-wired when built with a 6 or 8 wire cable. The painters for the seller damaged the cable and shoved it in a wall and buried it by patching over it solid with plaster. I have the proper tools to find that sort of thing. Have you tried splitting your feeds (inside the house) and seeing which section has trouble? It is odd that damage occurred, and it would never? involve the entire system and EVERY run of wire. OTOH, it is like formatting a computer. Sometimes a clean sweep is better or easier. My wires are 100% fished, so I have a very hybrid system of wiring... Rick Glazier From: DSinc Phone-internal? I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to replace it. I remain active via a long phone cord thru a window to the TSID (NID box). What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK! Understand. Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have read up about the cross-talk issues in 4-wire systems. Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or multiple-filament type cable? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4857 (20100211) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Ideas may be whole- left- right- or no-brained.
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship all over the place then all new is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around people that did bad work. (Still do.) Use the best wire you can afford. FWIW: Redesign the plan... I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from phone junction boxes in my basement. (Pick a better spot? in your crawl space?) I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside, hidden in the bushes (buried in the snow).. Rick Glazier From: DSinc Rick/Forc5, Yes. I recall Cat3. No. I have not tried splitting any feeds.
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
The way to go: Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Rick Glazier wrote: If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship all over the place then all new is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around people that did bad work. (Still do.) Use the best wire you can afford. FWIW: Redesign the plan... I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from phone junction boxes in my basement. (Pick a better spot? in your crawl space?) I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside, hidden in the bushes (buried in the snow).. Rick Glazier From: DSinc Rick/Forc5, Yes. I recall Cat3. No. I have not tried splitting any feeds. -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
Bryan, Understand. I have one. Still need lines for dsl and ADT. Not completely troglodyte. Duncan On 02/11/2010 16:14, Bryan Seitz wrote: The way to go: Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Rick Glazier wrote: If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship all over the place then all new is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around people that did bad work. (Still do.) Use the best wire you can afford. FWIW: Redesign the plan... I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from phone junction boxes in my basement. (Pick a better spot? in your crawl space?) I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside, hidden in the bushes (buried in the snow).. Rick Glazier From: DSinc Rick/Forc5, Yes. I recall Cat3. No. I have not tried splitting any feeds.
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Oh yeah I spose those are important hehe! ;) On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 05:11:05PM -0500, DSinc wrote: Bryan, Understand. I have one. Still need lines for dsl and ADT. Not completely troglodyte. Duncan On 02/11/2010 16:14, Bryan Seitz wrote: The way to go: Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Rick Glazier wrote: If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship all over the place then all new is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around people that did bad work. (Still do.) Use the best wire you can afford. FWIW: Redesign the plan... I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from phone junction boxes in my basement. (Pick a better spot? in your crawl space?) I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside, hidden in the bushes (buried in the snow).. Rick Glazier From: DSinc Rick/Forc5, Yes. I recall Cat3. No. I have not tried splitting any feeds. -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
We had a room on a slab. Hard to fish. Cordless works great, but we still have our old wired phones from 25 years ago and are on our third sets of cordless ones... Can't win... Rick Glazier From: Bryan Seitz Phone-internal? The way to go: Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done.
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
Short answer, Yes, :) It comes both stranded and solid conductor versions... :) CAT5 (also, CAT 5) is an Ethernet network cable standard defined by the Electronic Industries Association and Telecommunications Industry Association (commonly known as EIA/TIA). CAT5 is the fifth generation of twisted pair Ethernet technology and the most popular of all twisted pair cables in use today. CAT5 cable contains four pairs of copper wire. It supports Fast Ethernet speeds (up to 100 Mbps). As with all other types of twisted pair EIA/TIA cabling, CAT5 cable runs are limited to a maximum recommended run length of 100m (328 feet). Although CAT5 cable usually contains four pairs of copper wire, Fast Ethernet communications only utilize two pairs. A newer specification for CAT5 cable - CAT5 enhanced (CAT5e or CAT 5e) - supports networking at Gigabit Ethernet[ speeds (up to 1000 Mbps) over short distances by utilizing all four wire pairs, and it is backward-compatible with ordinary CAT5. Twisted pair cable like CAT5 comes in two main varieties, solid and stranded. Solid CAT5 cable supports longer length runs and works best in fixed wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT5 cable, on the other hand, is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance, movable cabling such as on-the-fly patch cabling. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net To: Hardware Group hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 1:11:28 PM Subject: [H] Phone-internal? I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to replace it. I remain active via a long phone cord thru a window to the TSID (NID box). What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK! Understand. Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have read up about the cross-talk issues in 4-wire systems. Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or multiple-filament type cable? Best, Duncan
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JRS, Big 10-Q! I will suggest/request SOLID CAT5 (CAT 5) then. It will replace old (45yrs?) 4-wire solid (red-green-yellow-black) existing POTS wire. Best, Duncan On 02/10/2010 16:42, JRS wrote: Short answer, Yes, :) It comes both stranded and solid conductor versions... :) CAT5 (also, CAT 5) is an Ethernet network cable standard defined by the Electronic Industries Association and Telecommunications Industry Association (commonly known as EIA/TIA). CAT5 is the fifth generation of twisted pair Ethernet technology and the most popular of all twisted pair cables in use today. CAT5 cable contains four pairs of copper wire. It supports Fast Ethernet speeds (up to 100 Mbps). As with all other types of twisted pair EIA/TIA cabling, CAT5 cable runs are limited to a maximum recommended run length of 100m (328 feet). Although CAT5 cable usually contains four pairs of copper wire, Fast Ethernet communications only utilize two pairs. A newer specification for CAT5 cable - CAT5 enhanced (CAT5e or CAT 5e) - supports networking at Gigabit Ethernet[ speeds (up to 1000 Mbps) over short distances by utilizing all four wire pairs, and it is backward-compatible with ordinary CAT5. Twisted pair cable like CAT5 comes in two main varieties, solid and stranded. Solid CAT5 cable supports longer length runs and works best in fixed wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT5 cable, on the other hand, is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance, movable cabling such as on-the-fly patch cabling. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: DSincdx7...@bellsouth.net To: Hardware Grouphardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 1:11:28 PM Subject: [H] Phone-internal? I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to replace it. I remain active via a long phone cord thru a window to the TSID (NID box). What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK! Understand. Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have read up about the cross-talk issues in 4-wire systems. Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or multiple-filament type cable? Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Phone-internal?
Do you have any links to support this, pls? I'm very interested in this subject, as I work with different types of cables on a daily basis. JRS wrote: Solid CAT5 cable supports longer length runs and works best in fixed wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT5 cable, on the other hand, is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance, movable cabling such as on-the-fly patch cabling.
